Should Dallas start Dak or Dalton now?

InTheZone · Jul 16, 2020

glimmerman said:
We are built to win now. Don’t waste a year. If Dak takes us to the championship game he deserve a little more money. Daks agent screwed Dak. He was trying to get the deal done himself when time ran out. Should have been on the phone that morning.

Dak screwed himself, not his agent or the teams doing

DCCBFan · Jul 16, 2020

InTheZone said:
Dak screwed himself, not his agent or the teams doing

Screwed himself how? He'll collect $31 million, and either sign a mega deal next year or hit free agency still in his 20's likely to top guy on the market. Doesn't sound screwed to me.

Ranching · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Ok I know it sounds stupid lol, I will try to explain.
If they start Dak, and he has a good season, lets say to the champ game,and lose.
What do they get out of that? Dak will want even more money and short contract still, will they
then give him say 40 mil a year?
And if they do play dak, they wont be picking high, it will be mid round to low round, so no real chance
at drafting a top of the round qb.
They also will not know what Dalton might have done, or what they have in him or dinucci.

So to me it might be smarter to start Dalton and if he isnt able to play good and win games, try dinucci,
and see how he does. if they do poorly, dallas will have a top of the round draft pick in 21 , which could be
good enough to get a top qb prospect.
if they or 1 of them does good, well you may have found your cheaper qb for near future.

The only way to know is to play them at least 3-4 games each or whole season if you want the high pick.

If they play dak but not sure they want to keep him and willing to pay the huge salary he will want,
all they are doing is helping dak sell himself to other teams and be worth more.
If he is on the bench the whole season his value will stay the same or go down.
So even if they think they may want to keep dak, the best thing is not to play him this season.
They could then put him on the tag where other teams can bid, and see what his value is, which is what
many said they should have done this season.
Then they might get him at a decent price, or they
might find out Dalton or Dinucci can do just as well, but at much cheaper price.

But if they play dak they just elevate his price and value , increase interest from other teams,and they
dont find out anything about dalton or dinucci.

And the only scenario that would be worth it is if they can get to SB and win it, but that is probably
not going to happen.

Dak is going to play it safe to avoid injurys, and he cant be a happy person about not getting contract he
wanted, unless he wanted to play on tag all along, which means he was playing with the jones boys and fans
for the whole off season. But either way I dont see him as motivated as he would need to be to get to
and win a SB , which we all should know is not easy.

And I will say Dalton and Dinucci may not be able to handle the reins, but there is only one way to know for sure, and there is a reward of that top 5 pick they could shoot for if they are not good enough.

The jones boys will want to play dak and try to go all the way, but unless they do it, nothing good comes out of it.
And if they did win the SB , I cant even imagine what dak would be demanding then, possibly more than
mahomes.

I think I would play the other 2 D's lol, let dakster cool on the bench, be humbled a little, and then see
what happens in the draft, and then decide if I want to sign dak or not.

You play to win the game.

Doomsday101 · Jul 16, 2020

Dak is the starting QB there is no doubt about it. He will play on the franchise tag and his future on this team will depend greatly on how he performs and making the post season and being able to advance. All the pressure is on Dak.

glimmerman · Jul 16, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
I think he admitted in the interview he would have signed it but there wasn't enough time.

Good then we will have it waiting at the end of this season.

Can’t they just say they agree in terms. And not have it inked.

pansophy · Jul 16, 2020

Assuming Dak is better in camp then he obviously starts. If we aren’t winning games, and Dalton is doing really well in practice, and we feel like we need to see him on the field to know what we want to offer him, then I could see Dalton playing.

but if you can figure that out without putting Dalton on the field then all the better because if he does well then you just drive up the price. Assuming there is a season at all, Dak will have to incredible to get a long term deal here now. If his sticking point has been length of contract then that whole strategy goes out the window by signing even a 4 year deal next year.

don’t see how he sticks around...

OmerV · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
I imagine it was the jones offer which was 5 years.
However, it could be that dak planned to play on the tag twice all along. if so he wont sign long contract next off season either.
And his price could go up depending on how well he plays.

That is where if you dont play him it changes all that. Do you think dak wants to sit on the bench all season??
He might be more inclined to sign a team friendly deal next season, but if they play him and he does good, then he has all the power,
and they will have to accept his deal, not vice versa.

If it was 5 years, then the same guaranteed dollars as Goff wouldn't really be the same as Goff's guarantee.

If they sit him on the bench, yes his value goes down, which I agree Dak wouldn't like, but so do the chances of the team winning this year, and so does Dak's trade value next year if they chose to go that route instead of having him play another year on the franchise tag. That doesn't really seem like a win for the team.

I'm skeptical of the idea that Dak may have always wanted to play 2 years on the franchise tag. First, a second year on the tag isn't guaranteed. Second, a new contract might pay him as much over those 2 years anyway, plus he wouldn't be risking losing value and a lot of guaranteed money if he got hurt or if he and/or the team didn't have a very good 2020.

GMO415 · Jul 16, 2020

You're going to pay someone $31 million to sit on the bench? This is dumb

Reverend Conehead · Jul 16, 2020

zerofill said:
I want a new QB... But, I don't see them paying him $31 mil... to sit on the bench.

That, plus if he at least plays well, that will up his trade value. He would have incentive to play well because that gives him more negotiating power with his new team, and we all know with Dak money is King and nothing else matters.

charron · Jul 16, 2020

open competition. I'd expect Dak to win it seeing he knows the plays and has chemistry with the other skill players. But both are on 1 year deals regardless of salary and if Dak can't beat Dalton then not giving him a massive deal was the right move. But you may figure out Dalton isn't that far behind Dak and can be had at a much better price, then use the savings to invest in the defense.

Sandyf · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Ok I know it sounds stupid lol, I will try to explain.
If they start Dak, and he has a good season, lets say to the champ game,and lose.
What do they get out of that? Dak will want even more money and short contract still, will they
then give him say 40 mil a year?
And if they do play dak, they wont be picking high, it will be mid round to low round, so no real chance
at drafting a top of the round qb.
They also will not know what Dalton might have done, or what they have in him or dinucci.

So to me it might be smarter to start Dalton and if he isnt able to play good and win games, try dinucci,
and see how he does. if they do poorly, dallas will have a top of the round draft pick in 21 , which could be
good enough to get a top qb prospect.
if they or 1 of them does good, well you may have found your cheaper qb for near future.

The only way to know is to play them at least 3-4 games each or whole season if you want the high pick.

If they play dak but not sure they want to keep him and willing to pay the huge salary he will want,
all they are doing is helping dak sell himself to other teams and be worth more.
If he is on the bench the whole season his value will stay the same or go down.
So even if they think they may want to keep dak, the best thing is not to play him this season.
They could then put him on the tag where other teams can bid, and see what his value is, which is what
many said they should have done this season.
Then they might get him at a decent price, or they
might find out Dalton or Dinucci can do just as well, but at much cheaper price.

But if they play dak they just elevate his price and value , increase interest from other teams,and they
dont find out anything about dalton or dinucci.

And the only scenario that would be worth it is if they can get to SB and win it, but that is probably
not going to happen.

Dak is going to play it safe to avoid injurys, and he cant be a happy person about not getting contract he
wanted, unless he wanted to play on tag all along, which means he was playing with the jones boys and fans
for the whole off season. But either way I dont see him as motivated as he would need to be to get to
and win a SB , which we all should know is not easy.

And I will say Dalton and Dinucci may not be able to handle the reins, but there is only one way to know for sure, and there is a reward of that top 5 pick they could shoot for if they are not good enough.

The jones boys will want to play dak and try to go all the way, but unless they do it, nothing good comes out of it.
And if they did win the SB , I cant even imagine what dak would be demanding then, possibly more than
mahomes.

I think I would play the other 2 D's lol, let dakster cool on the bench, be humbled a little, and then see
what happens in the draft, and then decide if I want to sign dak or not.

You do understand that 50 percent of the QBs drafted in the 1st round fail, right? There is no guarantee that anyone you draft will become good or great. By your logic, Kansas City should have not extended Mahomes. Dak will start and play. If Dak happens to get us to the NFL championship game and possibly the Super Bowl then why in the world would you want to get rid of him? Are you so young that you do not remember the times between when Aikman left to at least we got Romo and what those years were like? Fans really do not want to suffer those sort of seasons every again.

DandyDon52 · Jul 16, 2020

Sandyf said:
You do understand that 50 percent of the QBs drafted in the 1st round fail, right? There is no guarantee that anyone you draft will become good or great. By your logic, Kansas City should have not extended Mahomes. Dak will start and play. If Dak happens to get us to the NFL championship game and possibly the Super Bowl then why in the world would you want to get rid of him? Are you so young that you do not remember the times between when Aikman left to at least we got Romo and what those years were like? Fans really do not want to suffer those sort of seasons every again.

You do understand that 50 percent of the QBs drafted in the 1st round fail, right?......yeah but it is more like 80 %
By your logic, Kansas City should have not extended Mahomes........yes but it isnt logic it is outside the box thinking lol. And mahomes situation is nothing like the dak situation.
Dak happens to get us to the NFL championship game and possibly the Super Bowl ....then how much will he want?? way more than now how much would u be willing to pay him>?
Are you so young that you do not remember the times between when Aikman left to at least we got Romo and what those years were like?......you cant let fear of that happening govern your decisions now. And yeah I remember them, but a big part of the problem then was not the qb's but the off coaches and OL.

So you cant be afraid of drafting a dud. there is no guarantee, but with MM here I dont think they will still try for paxton lynch types.

Dak is a ok QB, but he has lost his mind about the money, wanting too much money and on short deals, so he can get even more later on.
If he was better he might be worth it but he isnt.
and dont worry dak will start lol, jones boy dont have the kahunas to start dalton .

had they tanked last year they could have got burrows, but they tried to win, and wound up 8-8
lol aint that great!
This year what if they go 11-5 and then knocked out in div round again? be happy you played dak? and you wont know what the other qb's might have done, and will be drafting low again.
no risk no gain .

atlantacowboy · Jul 16, 2020

You have to start Dak or there was no point franchising him.

big dog cowboy · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Should Dallas start Dak or Dalton now?

I know it sounds stupid lol

DandyDon52 · Jul 16, 2020

big dog cowboy said:

well have fun with signing dak next off season lol

Typhus · Jul 16, 2020

zerofill said:
I want a new QB... But, I don't see them paying him $31 mil... to sit on the bench.

Jerry isnt paying Dak 31 to sit on the bench,, thats just funny stuff... if anything, Dak gets called to run, run, and run some more.
Unleash the hogs I say.
Dak is a durable beast!

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 16, 2020

Start the player who give you the best chance to win. That should happen at every single position.

ABQCOWBOY · Jul 16, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
Why waste $31M cap space ( we don't have BTW) if you were planning to start Dalton. Just rescind the tag, let Dak walk, and save the money but don't expect to have an ounce of credibility around the league (lol).

No. Dak has a value, regardless of if he starts or not. Some team will trade for him and if it comes to that, then get something out of this.

ondaedg · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
You do understand that 50 percent of the QBs drafted in the 1st round fail, right?......yeah but it is more like 80 %
By your logic, Kansas City should have not extended Mahomes........yes but it isnt logic it is outside the box thinking lol. And mahomes situation is nothing like the dak situation.
Dak happens to get us to the NFL championship game and possibly the Super Bowl ....then how much will he want?? way more than now how much would u be willing to pay him>?
Are you so young that you do not remember the times between when Aikman left to at least we got Romo and what those years were like?......you cant let fear of that happening govern your decisions now. And yeah I remember them, but a big part of the problem then was not the qb's but the off coaches and OL.

So you cant be afraid of drafting a dud. there is no guarantee, but with MM here I dont think they will still try for paxton lynch types.

Dak is a ok QB, but he has lost his mind about the money, wanting too much money and on short deals, so he can get even more later on.
If he was better he might be worth it but he isnt.
and dont worry dak will start lol, jones boy dont have the kahunas to start dalton .

had they tanked last year they could have got burrows, but they tried to win, and wound up 8-8
lol aint that great!
This year what if they go 11-5 and then knocked out in div round again? be happy you played dak? and you wont know what the other qb's might have done, and will be drafting low again.
no risk no gain .

You keep saying outside the box outside the box. Just because you're thinking "outside the box" doesn't mean it's a viable solution to a problem. No reason to even defend your idea of playing to lose for a first round draft pick in '21.

ondaedg · Jul 16, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
You do understand that 50 percent of the QBs drafted in the 1st round fail, right?......yeah but it is more like 80 %
By your logic, Kansas City should have not extended Mahomes........yes but it isnt logic it is outside the box thinking lol. And mahomes situation is nothing like the dak situation.
Dak happens to get us to the NFL championship game and possibly the Super Bowl ....then how much will he want?? way more than now how much would u be willing to pay him>?
Are you so young that you do not remember the times between when Aikman left to at least we got Romo and what those years were like?......you cant let fear of that happening govern your decisions now. And yeah I remember them, but a big part of the problem then was not the qb's but the off coaches and OL.

So you cant be afraid of drafting a dud. there is no guarantee, but with MM here I dont think they will still try for paxton lynch types.

Dak is a ok QB, but he has lost his mind about the money, wanting too much money and on short deals, so he can get even more later on.
If he was better he might be worth it but he isnt.
and dont worry dak will start lol, jones boy dont have the kahunas to start dalton .

had they tanked last year they could have got burrows, but they tried to win, and wound up 8-8
lol aint that great!
This year what if they go 11-5 and then knocked out in div round again? be happy you played dak? and you wont know what the other qb's might have done, and will be drafting low again.
no risk no gain .

I've watched Burrows play and there are zero guarantees that he will be a good qb in this league.

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