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khiladi said:
so dishonest isn’t lying.. You are playing games and the moral high card doesn’t work. The fact your using words like “good day, sir” after all this garbage is right here for all to see.

Prove where I lied and that it’s not morAl to defend yourself of accusations from lying. Prove where I said I was changing my opinions. Otherwise, spare me this tripe.
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Ok, you said your apology was about name calling. Name calling wasn’t mentioned in the apology.

Results are in: that was a lie. :laugh:
 
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Aviano90 said:
Ok, you said your apology was about name calling. Name calling wasn’t mentioned in the apology.

Results are in: that was a lie. :laugh:
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again:

so dishonest isn’t lying.. You are playing games and the moral high card doesn’t work. The fact your using words like “good day, sir” after all this garbage is right here for all to see.

Prove where I lied and that it’s not morAl to defend yourself of accusations from lying. Prove where I said I was changing my opinions. Otherwise, spare me this tripe.
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I know what your game is. Like I said, don’t expect defending myself from accusations of lying is what I apologized for. I’m not going to be timid with you guys.

You not liking my opinions, doesn’t mean I’m being rude to you. Spare me the moral high ground nonsense.
 
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khiladi said:
Like I said, “my boyz” doesn’t work.

I asked you to prove where I was lying. Disagreeing with my interpretation of stats Does not make me a liar. Saying Dak sucks in the red zone, does not make me a liar.

you accused me of lying that Dak didn’t throw a single TD in training camp. After I brought the quote, you then admitted you were wrong, not directly though, but by saying “so what does that mean”.. the fact that apparently had nothing to do with accuracy according to you is almost unbelievable. The reality is, you are completely lost in this thread. You have no clue what you even are..
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So you said he didn't throw a single TD in training camp....but then posted a article that says he did. LIE.
 
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so dishonest isn’t lying.. You are playing games and the moral high card doesn’t work. The fact your using words like “good day, sir” after all this garbage is right here for all to see.

Prove where I lied and that it’s not morAl to defend yourself of accusations from lying. Prove where I said I was changing my opinions. Otherwise, spare me this tripe.
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No. I think you intentionally do this crap on purpose. I think you know full well what a poster means but twist their words and act as if they are saying something entirely different and even when clarified keep going back to your straw man argument. This isn’t “lying”. To me it is being dishonest and acting in bad faith.

People will also give you the courtesy of answering your questions and won’t intentionally misrepresent your argument, and you won’t do the same. I believe you have ignored every one of my questions in all of our debates.

If you want an example of misrepresenting my point, we had a debate about Zeke’s home run ability after the 2017 season. I mentioned that Alfred Morris even had a 70 yard run and he’s not a home run hitter and you kept claiming I said Morris was a home run hitter. This was my first experience with you twisting my words to create a straw man argument and you kept going back to the well. BTW, 2 full seasons later Zeke is homerless.

That is your debate style. It’s dishonest to me. It’s in bad faith to me. And it has nothing to do with your position. You do this in all of your debates.
 
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No. I think you intentionally do this crap on purpose. I think you know full well what a poster means but twist their words and act as if they are saying something entirely different and even when clarified keep going back to your straw man argument. This isn’t “lying”. To me it is being dishonest and acting in bad faith.

People will also give you the courtesy of answering your questions and won’t intentionally misrepresent your argument, and you won’t do the same. I believe you have ignored every one of my questions in all of our debates.

If you want an example of misrepresenting my point, we had a debate about Zeke’s home run ability after the 2017 season. I mentioned that Alfred Morris even had a 70 yard run and he’s not a home run hitter and you kept claiming I said Morris was a home run hitter. This was my first experience with you twisting my words to create a straw man argument and you kept going back to the well. BTW, 2 full seasons later Zeke is homerless.

That is your debate style. It’s dishonest to me. It’s in bad faith to me. And it has nothing to do with your position. You do this in all of your debates.
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Prove where I lied. Prove where I did what you said.

My debate style is irrelevant. You not liking my debate style is irrelevant.

You sitting here playing the moral high card is a joke, and then you have the childish attitude to put up a laughing emoji.
 
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khiladi said:
Prove where I lied. Prove where I did what you said.

My debate style is irrelevant. You not liking my debate style is irrelevant.

You sitting here playing the moral high card is a joke, and then you have the childish attitude to put up a laughing emoji.
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I have already proved where you lied despite telling you several times I wasn’t saying you were lying. My claim is that you are dishonest. Here is the definition of dishonest:

behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way

You continuing to go back to me claiming you are lying after I have repeatedly told you I wasn’t saying you were lying is an example of you being dishonest, IMO.

But I know this conversation will just go around in circles for days. You’ll keep on claiming I am accusing you of lying.

So have the last word and we can part ways again.
 
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You sit there claiming you don’t have the time, while you post ad nauseum threads on personalities on this forum, take indirect jabs and so on, is the height of a joke.

You gave an example that Morris had a 70 yard run. I said Zeke WASN’T really a home run hitter and that’s not really what he’s known for and there are other reasons why he doesn’t have as many long runs. So that was the point.. if you are going to establish that somebody is a home rub hitter, than using one example of a run is not being Home run hitter.

And the audacity for you to say other people misinterpet what other people say, while saying endlessly how Romo-lovers claim he never made a mistake and he was perfect. And then play the victim card.
 
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Aviano90 said:
I have already proved where you lied despite telling you several times I wasn’t saying you were lying. My claim is that you are dishonest. Here is the definition of dishonest:

behaving or prone to behave in an untrustworthy or fraudulent way

You continuing to go back to me claiming you are lying after I have repeatedly told you I wasn’t saying you were lying is an example of you being dishonest, IMO.

But I know this conversation will just go around in circles for days. You’ll keep on claiming I am accusing you of lying.

So have the last word and we can part ways again.
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That is accusing me of lying. Where did I lie in this thread? You haven’t brought a single example and you have the nerve to say I’m misinterpreting people’s posts. You defended a man that accused me of lying who had yet to give a single quote from me where I lied, because he can’t. That is where you stand right now.

You are playing the moral high card again with the “Good day, sir” routine and then you’ll leave like you’ll go about your business. You’ll see yourself into a conversation a couple days later, with a quote directed at me and attacking me, when I’m not even talking to you and then you have the audacity to play the moral high ground. It’s happened many times and I’ve completely ignored you. But not today..

Playing lawyer doesn’t change reality. You are accusing me of lying.. You are defending a man of accusing me of lying and agreeing with him and the saying you don’t accuse me of lying.

Go ahead and read this post and pretend you didn’t.
 
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khiladi said:
That is accusing me of lying. Where did I lie in this thread? You haven’t brought a single example and you have the nerve to say I’m misinterpreting people’s posts. You defended a man that accused me of lying who had yet to give a single quote from me where I lied, because he can’t. That is where you stand right now.

You are playing the moral high card again with the “Good day, sir” routine and then you’ll leave like you’ll go about your business. You’ll see yourself into a conversation a couple days later, with a quote directed at me and attacking me, when I’m not even talking to you and then you have the audacity to play the moral high ground. It’s happened many times and I’ve completely ignored you. But not today..

Playing lawyer doesn’t change reality. You are accusing me of lying.. You are defending a man of accusing me of lying and agreeing with him and the saying you don’t accuse me of lying.

Go ahead and read this post and pretend you didn’t.
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I read it. It is garbage like all your other posts, straw man.
 
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I read it. It is garbage like all your other posts, straw man.
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I knew you would and you have yet to provide a single shred of evidence. Like I said, spare me the moral high ground, because I knew you would read it and “good day, sir” never meant “good day”.

Advice: Don’t call someone out playing the moral high ground, because I know exactly what you do an have been doing. You can put me on ignore if you don’t want to read my posts and you don’t like my criticisms of Dak and my defense of Romo.
 
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erod said:
In other words, he's Dak.
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Wouldn't quite say that. Lesser completion percentage, fewer TD's, fewer yards, more sacks, and more INTs.

Yeah, Dalton is just not good. If by some chance he actually plays well while in a Dallas uniform it will be the first time he's done so in 4-5 years. If that makes Dak average then so be it. So Dallas has an average QB and a below average QB as the backup...great shape, I suppose.
 

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Maybe but considering we don’t trade players and get value for them and we had Dak for $4 million over 4 years and we neglected to pull the trigger on impact free agents doesn’t give me any confidence whatsoever the $24 million savings would be put to good use.
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IMO, we made mistakes last year with Lawrence, Zeke, and probably Jaylon, though I was all for Jaylon and didn't see his health deterioration coming. Very good call on Collins.

This year Poe, McCoy, Dix, Dalton all looked great. We didn't just roll over for Dak. I'll take the Cooper signing. Brown too. And we *didn't* match what it would have taken for Quinn, Cobb, and Jones. Let Witten go. And just a spectacular draft.

Maybe McCarthy is having a positive influence. And maybe with Garrett gone, management has decided has adjusted their philosophy too.

Looking at the first McCarthy offseason, do you really have a problem with the moves they've made? Looks very good to me.
 

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And not only as his footwork is pure and he places the ball where it should be only catchable by the WR.
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Dalton's decisiveness in getting the ball out jumped out at me. A half second after he completed his drops, the ball was out.

Been a long time since his stats have looked good, but that's also during years when the Bengals had losing seasons too. Was Dalton the problem? The team? Both?

Certainly he'd have better players around him here, and do better here. Better than Dak? Probably not. But with 31mil more to spend on the team, he doesn't have to be better than Dak for the *team* to be better trading Dak and rolling with Dalton.

Dalton + 31.4mil + Dak's trade value > Dak > Dalton
 
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IMO, we made mistakes last year with Lawrence, Zeke, and probably Jaylon, though I was all for Jaylon and didn't see his health deterioration coming. Very good call on Collins.

This year Poe, McCoy, Dix, Dalton all looked great. We didn't just roll over for Dak. I'll take the Cooper signing. Brown too. And we *didn't* match what it would have taken for Quinn, Cobb, and Jones. Let Witten go. And just a spectacular draft.

Maybe McCarthy is having a positive influence. And maybe with Garrett gone, management has decided has adjusted their philosophy too.

Looking at the first McCarthy offseason, do you really have a problem with the moves they've made? Looks very good to me.
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Don’t think they are bad but until we start trading players for value instead of letting them walk for comp picks and get impact free agents, I have no confidence they will make effective use of a favorable salary cap.
 
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No. I think you intentionally do this crap on purpose. I think you know full well what a poster means but twist their words and act as if they are saying something entirely different and even when clarified keep going back to your straw man argument. This isn’t “lying”. To me it is being dishonest and acting in bad faith.

People will also give you the courtesy of answering your questions and won’t intentionally misrepresent your argument, and you won’t do the same. I believe you have ignored every one of my questions in all of our debates.

If you want an example of misrepresenting my point, we had a debate about Zeke’s home run ability after the 2017 season. I mentioned that Alfred Morris even had a 70 yard run and he’s not a home run hitter and you kept claiming I said Morris was a home run hitter. This was my first experience with you twisting my words to create a straw man argument and you kept going back to the well. BTW, 2 full seasons later Zeke is homerless.

That is your debate style. It’s dishonest to me. It’s in bad faith to me. And it has nothing to do with your position. You do this in all of your debates.
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Go figure!:hammer:
 
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