Serious question for Dak haters

DandyDon52 · Sep 23, 2020

Dallasfann said:
Haha... 8-8, no game winning drives or come from behind victories. Played like **** vs winning teams yet lets make him the highest paid. Are you Dak by chance?

team could go 1-15 and if dak has great stats, some here would be willing to pay him 40-45 mil a year.

The way I see it, is what is the point in paying him 40 mil if he cant get to SB with players we have??
Once they pay him the cowboy talent pool will shrink not increase.

look at watson, a good qb, but he could not go far into playoffs, and that was with hopkins!
now they pay him too much, and trade hopkins, and they are 0-2.
They will now struggle to add more real talent because they pay him too much.
They will only see the sb on tv

Meanwhile hopkins just might propel arizona into the playoffs.
you cant eat your cake and have it too!

Philmonroe · Sep 23, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Those 4 years were with different coaches and many different players. That is the past lol.
you dont evaluate players based on what they did 3 or more years ago.

You might not but I do. Once most players been in the pros starting 4/5 years you know what their normal year will look like. Dak is no different. The stats he had last year will be about the same this year and until he starts to decline. Injuries and outlier year or two aside. Dak is who he is for better or worse now.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

Dallasfann said:
You are exactly what this country is now. When someone doesn't agree with you and doesn't think Dak is the best QB in the league you turn around and name call and throw fits. Keep it up sweetie.

Why do people resort to the "See that's what's wrong with this world/country now" when someone says something they disagree with?

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
team could go 1-15 and if dak has great stats, some here would be willing to pay him 40-45 mil a year.

The way I see it, is what is the point in paying him 40 mil if he cant get to SB with players we have??
Once they pay him the cowboy talent pool will shrink not increase.

look at watson, a good qb, but he could not go far into playoffs, and that was with hopkins!
now they pay him too much, and trade hopkins, and they are 0-2.
They will now struggle to add more real talent because they pay him too much.
They will only see the sb on tv
Meanwhile hopkins just might propel arizona into the playoffs.
you cant eat your cake and have it too!

Because in the past 20 years this team has started Clint Stoerner, Anthony Wright, Chad Hutchinson, Drew Henson, Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testerverde and Quincy Carter quarterback for them and have ZERO faith in this team finding another quarterback just like we have zero faith in them drafting a linebacker without injury concerns.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

Dallasfann said:
Haha... 8-8, no game winning drives or come from behind victories. Played like **** vs winning teams yet lets make him the highest paid. Are you Dak by chance?

I don't even know how to respond to this post lol. The question was what would you PAY HIM THIS SEASON. How do you think I should reply to your post?

InTheZone · Sep 23, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
team could go 1-15 and if dak has great stats, some here would be willing to pay him 40-45 mil a year.

The way I see it, is what is the point in paying him 40 mil if he cant get to SB with players we have??
Once they pay him the cowboy talent pool will shrink not increase.

look at watson, a good qb, but he could not go far into playoffs, and that was with hopkins!
now they pay him too much, and trade hopkins, and they are 0-2.
They will now struggle to add more real talent because they pay him too much.
They will only see the sb on tv
Meanwhile hopkins just might propel arizona into the playoffs.
you cant eat your cake and have it too!

some people just tackle issues completely backwards. I'm hoping we don't fall into the bad team management trap because of "market value".

Qcard · Sep 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
Why do people resort to the "See that's what's wrong with this world/country now" when someone says something they disagree with?

Because they have no respect any other world view.....

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

InTheZone said:
some people just tackle issues completely backwards. I'm hoping we don't fall into the bad team management trap because of "market value".

You hope we don't fall in the trap when? Because they already have with Zeke, Lawrence and Jaylon.

If you want to re-sign top players or players you deem to be top players.....I just can't recall a team not having to overpay them. Scared money don't make no money......you can't be scared of a salary cap....continue to hit on draft picks and salary shouldn't be a concern. But keep signing guys and then waiting until its time to get rid of them to replace them is going to be a issue.

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 23, 2020

Big_D said:
If this team goes 8-8 this year what do you pay Dak?

if this team goes 8-8 and offense averages 30 pts a game and defense at the bottom 3rd of the league...what do you pay Dak?

Proof · Sep 23, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
Those 4 years were with different coaches and many different players. That is the past lol.
you dont evaluate players based on what they did 3 or more years ago.

who said anything about three or more years ago. I’m talking about a body of work. He’s got the same OC he had from his career year last year, and picked up where he left off. It’s not difficult

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 23, 2020

DandyDon52 said:
team could go 1-15 and if dak has great stats, some here would be willing to pay him 40-45 mil a year.

The way I see it, is what is the point in paying him 40 mil if he cant get to SB with players we have??
Once they pay him the cowboy talent pool will shrink not increase.

look at watson, a good qb, but he could not go far into playoffs, and that was with hopkins!
now they pay him too much, and trade hopkins, and they are 0-2.
They will now struggle to add more real talent because they pay him too much.
They will only see the sb on tv
Meanwhile hopkins just might propel arizona into the playoffs.
you cant eat your cake and have it too!

with the playes we have? what if the offense averages 30+ pts a game? and we still lose high scoring games because the defense can't get off the field, gives up big play after big play. so far that's the trend.

and unless we have a better alternative than Dak, we would be stupid to let a top 10 QB go. teams sign top QBs, because that's the easiest path to SB. KC, Houston, Seattle, Tampa, NO, some pay for QBs that may have top 10 potential, ala Minn, Tenn.

without a QB or getting lucky in the first contract of a rookie QB you find, you would need a top notch defense to win it and to build a top notch defense, you have to pay several players...that's costly as well. you pay the QB, the most important position...instead of 4 large contracts that will be more expensive than paying a QB.......you can't build a defense with one player......

kskboys · Sep 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
You hope we don't fall in the trap when? Because they already have with Zeke, Lawrence and Jaylon.

If you want to re-sign top players or players you deem to be top players.....I just can't recall a team not having to overpay them. Scared money don't make no money......you can't be scared of a salary cap....continue to hit on draft picks and salary shouldn't be a concern. But keep signing guys and then waiting until its time to get rid of them to replace them is going to be a issue.

Nobody consistently hits on draft picks.

Irvin88_4life · Sep 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
I don't even know how to respond to this post lol. The question was what would you PAY HIM THIS SEASON. How do you think I should reply to your post?

I kept saying this clown would change it up as soon as you answer his question and got him cornered. Just runs around the bush and keeps looking more foolish each comment he makes.

InTheZone · Sep 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
You hope we don't fall in the trap when? Because they already have with Zeke, Lawrence and Jaylon.

If you want to re-sign top players or players you deem to be top players.....I just can't recall a team not having to overpay them. Scared money don't make no money......you can't be scared of a salary cap....continue to hit on draft picks and salary shouldn't be a concern. But keep signing guys and then waiting until its time to get rid of them to replace them is going to be a issue.

Zeke is our best offensive player and his contract in no way is a cap hog. Smith was a mistake and jury Is out on Lawrence. But this isnt about them, it's about a guy that will destroy any chances we may have because as others have stated he will break the bank, and we will be forced to spend even less on support.

tyke1doe · Sep 23, 2020

Not a hater. Just think he's in the mold of Alex Smith, Casey Keenum, Ryan Tannehill, Kirk Cousins.

Those aren't "bad" quarterbacks; they just aren't elite.

Furthermore, Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks are judged by Super Bowls. So the standard for this team is a bit skewed when it involves ranking "greatness" among quarterbacks. And Dak, unfortunately and fortunately, has a standard he has to live up to being a Cowboys quarterback. If he were playing for Detroit, it would be a different story.

As what would change my mind: I think that goes without saying. He has to lead this team to a Super Bowl. He has to make significant plays that show he's worthy of the Staubach, Aikman mantle.

I simply do see that yet.

But I'm pulling for him. I love his determination and his DURABILITY.

kskboys · Sep 23, 2020

InTheZone said:
Zeke is our best offensive player and his contract in no way is a cap hog. Smith was a mistake and jury Is out on Lawrence. But this isnt about them, it's about a guy that will destroy any chances we may have because as others have stated he will break the bank, and we will be forced to spend even less on support.

Which is sad to me, because I like Dak and a lot of what he brings to the table.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

kskboys said:
Nobody consistently hits on draft picks.

Who said they did? And the Cowboys do. They come out of every draft with at least one starter and a bunch of starters or depth players. This past draft they suited up 7 players on Sunday. That's a productive draft.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
I kept saying this clown would change it up as soon as you answer his question and got him cornered. Just runs around the bush and keeps looking more foolish each comment he makes.

Right! At this point I'm just gonna ask him how to reply to his post lol. Maybe he'll answer that lol.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 23, 2020

InTheZone said:
Zeke is our best offensive player and his contract in no way is a cap hog. Smith was a mistake and jury Is out on Lawrence. But this isnt about them, it's about a guy that will destroy any chances we may have because as others have stated he will break the bank, and we will be forced to spend even less on support.

Come on InTheZone you are backtracking......you said this:

"some people just tackle issues completely backwards. I'm hoping we don't fall into the bad team management trap because of "market value"."

I'm strictly replying to that last sentence. This team has fell into bad team management trap long before now.

So you can sit here and make excuses for them doing it with Zeke, Smith and Lawrence but the fact is they have already started this. Now if you want to say you hope they STOP doing it? Then fine. But they have done it. And I'm a Zeke fan and I don't regret paying him but if we are talking about bad team management you need to erase your biases of Dak and Zeke and be honest that paying Zeke the money they did wasn't smart when they could've drafted a running back for half the price if not cheaper. Same goes for Lawrence.

Paying Dak would force this team to draft better and less risky than and would force them to be smarter in free agency too. How many money was wasted this year on free agency?How many draft picks were wasted because of the Cowboys got too cute?

InTheZone · Sep 23, 2020

rocyaice said:
Come on InTheZone you are backtracking......you said this:

"some people just tackle issues completely backwards. I'm hoping we don't fall into the bad team management trap because of "market value"."

I'm strictly replying to that last sentence. This team has fell into bad team management trap long before now.

So you can sit here and make excuses for them doing it with Zeke, Smith and Lawrence but the fact is they have already started this. Now if you want to say you hope they STOP doing it? Then fine. But they have done it. And I'm a Zeke fan and I don't regret paying him but if we are talking about bad team management you need to erase your biases of Dak and Zeke and be honest that paying Zeke the money they did wasn't smart when they could've drafted a running back for half the price if not cheaper. Same goes for Lawrence.

Paying Dak would force this team to draft better and less risky than and would force them to be smarter in free agency too. How many money was wasted this year on free agency?How many draft picks were wasted because of the Cowboys got too cute?

I don't know how else to break it down to you that paying zeke what he got was not a detriment to the team.

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