Jalen Ramsey and Derrick Henry vs Zeke and Jaylon Smith

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mldardy said:
Big backs like that usually don't last very long and we know RB's in general don't. And give me a break with Zeke tapping, which makes no sense. You are just making up bull**** at this point. Zeke plays hard all the time and he's been productive longer than Henry. Henry just finally broke out last year. Zeke has been productive since his rookie year. Also convenient you post this nonsense when he breaks out today, he was averaging 3.7 ypc before today's game. Didn't seen you posting about Henry before today. You ain't slick with nonsense. Get outta here.
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Let’s dance boy! You want to talk about production or play calling and opportunity? So Henry didn’t carry the ball as much as zeke his first two years because they were riding Murray. That was strictly due to play calling and coaching.

What am I making up about zeke tapping? When was the last time Henry tapped out in a critical game on third down? Did I make that up? Do you even know what game I’m talking about?

Was zeke playing hard in Denver 3 years ago or was I just seeing things? Do I need to refresh your memory?

Define productive? Fumbling the ball twice on 3 carries, 2 of which resulted in TD’s for the other team just this year. Leading the league in fumbles is productive, he’s doing a good job at that.

Lol, you want to talk about ypc? Zeke already has one game with less than 2.6 ypc and if it weren’t for one long run it would be two games.

I don’t recognize you, welcome, I will smoke you with zeke stats all day. Bring it slick!
 
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rocyaice said:
I agree. He looked more explosive his rookie season no doubt. But NO ONE was on this site after 2016 saying we should've drafted Derrick Henry. Zeke made much more sense for Romo than Derrick Henry did.
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And who’s fault is that? We had the best O line in the league that year, any idiot could see we didn’t need a top tier RB. What was our biggest weakness in 2016?
 
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Let’s discuss all the hindsight second guessed decisions you have made in your life. Why do people do this...:facepalm:
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but there’s a lot of hindsight decisions most of us loom back on and admit we were wrong. For some reason, there’s still a lot of this fan base that won’t admit we were not only wrong to use the 4th overall pick on a RB but then threw salt in the wound by extending his contract and caving to his ridiculous demands with 2 years left on his contract.
 

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rocyaice said:
I agree. He looked more explosive his rookie season no doubt. But NO ONE was on this site after 2016 saying we should've drafted Derrick Henry. Zeke made much more sense for Romo than Derrick Henry did.
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NO ONE expected Zeke to drop off so much after 2016. He was surprisingly good in 2016. He surprisingly dropped off in 2017.

Going into the draft, there was a large contingent of "don't pick RB with a 4", though maybe that was while I was at the Cowboy forum?

But you've hit the nail on the head. Zeke was a Romo window pick. Complete package at RB *from day one*. That's why you pick a RB that early. RB blocking *really mattered* for Romo.

Otherwise, should have picked a more valuable position. Was just a mistake to sign him to the contract extension too.
 

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aria said:
but there’s a lot of hindsight decisions most of us loom back on and admit we were wrong. For some reason, there’s still a lot of this fan base that won’t admit we were not only wrong to use the 4th overall pick on a RB but then threw salt in the wound by extending his contract and caving to his ridiculous demands with 2 years left on his contract.
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"In hindsight, wish I had chosen differently" is not the same thing as "I made the wrong choice at the time".

I was for drafting Zeke to make the most of the Romo Window. Then he broke. Oh well. I'll still say that's the right call. He was playing at an MVP level in 2014. That was a guy who could win you SBs. The oline showed it could be dominant. Zeke was the needed piece to complete the 2014 formula and make it even better.

But I'll agree on the extension. Bad call to extend him, and I said so at the time. Let him leave and take that comp pick for another RB. Move on.
 
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Discuss.
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Not really fair to make comparisons like this. Zeke and Smith have been exposed for several years now to the rotten culture in Dallas. Ramsey and Henry have not. Had they been in Dallas for a few years, they would be different players then they are now.
 
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buybuydandavis said:
"In hindsight, wish I had chosen differently" is not the same thing as "I made the wrong choice at the time".

I was for drafting Zeke to make the most of the Romo Window. Then he broke. Oh well. I'll still say that's the right call. He was playing at an MVP level in 2014. That was a guy who could win you SBs. The oline showed it could be dominant. Zeke was the needed piece to complete the 2014 formula and make it even better.

But I'll agree on the extension. Bad call to extend him, and I said so at the time. Let him leave and take that comp pick for another RB. Move on.
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I can show a lot of dominant O lines that succeeded with average RB’s. We didn’t need a dominant RB, we needed defense. We could have picked up Henry or another FA RB and have got similar success that year. We just wasted a 4th pick and a contract extension on a RB.

Even had Romo stayed healthy that season it wouldn’t have made a difference, Dak didn’t do anything Romo would have done better and now we’re one of the few teams dumb enough to be saddled with the one of the highest contracts for one of the most expendable positions on the field.
 

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It still blows my mind how highly the majority of Cowboys fans rate Zeke. And then use total rushing yards as their reasoning.

It's like a lot of other topics in our country. Global warming. Coronavirus. Etc. I just cannot understand how such a large group of people can be so clueless when there is evidence right in front of their eyes to the contrary.
 
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aria said:
And who’s fault is that? We had the best O line in the league that year, any idiot could see we didn’t need a top tier RB. What was our biggest weakness in 2016?
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Didn’t matter. We were making this Romo friendly. What Zeke allowed us to do was keep this crappy defense off the field. He helped both sides of the ball. You can’t argue against 13-3.
 
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blueblood70 said:
look open your eyes they traded him because while very good, the draft picks were better then he was as player.. he did nothing to help the Jags be great nor is he all that with the rams. Gallup was lighting him up our #2 was killings him all game , we lit him up when he was with the jags,,not saying he isnt a very good player but his greatness is much exaggerated. He didnt help the Rams last year, they looked just the same with peters...its nice to have a player like him but not for the money or draft picks they would want..
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Gallup was not lighting him up. I do give you that bomb that Gallup caught which was called back. But Gallup really didn't do much.

Most of the time Ramsey locks up with the best receivers in the game one on one. This allows their defense more flexibility.
 
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rocyaice said:
Didn’t matter. We were making this Romo friendly. What Zeke allowed us to do was keep this crappy defense off the field. He helped both sides of the ball. You can’t argue against 13-3.
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So we over paid for a one year rental that we could have got in the second round? Fantastic logic.
 
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rocyaice said:
I agree. He looked more explosive his rookie season no doubt. But NO ONE was on this site after 2016 saying we should've drafted Derrick Henry. Zeke made much more sense for Romo than Derrick Henry did.
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They were on the DC.com board. I have always been under the belief the Cowboys should have taken Ramsey in the 1st and Henry in the 2nd. But, I am one that didn’t understand why a QB who supposedly couldn’t win because he never had a defense needed a top 5 RB coming off a year when we had the #4 rusher in the league playing behind horrible QBs a hurt or missing #1 WR in 2015 and then took a defender who couldn’t play the first year and possibly never play.

Made no sane sense and still doesn’t make any sense today. As a matter of fact, It continues to look even worse as time goes on. The Browns are about the only team that could have screwed those first 2 picks up like we did.
 
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Zeke vs Ramsey is a legit debate people can have, but to start to compare 2nd founders is silly. And why did no one else not take Henry til the 2nd


While we’re at it let’s throw our 3rd round pick in there and find the best player that would fit us from that round and so on. It’s kind of pointless.
 
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Really think if Zeke went to a team where the owner was your buddy and everyone from the FO to the coach was fearful of being fired he would still be close to that 2016 back.
 
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aria said:
but there’s a lot of hindsight decisions most of us loom back on and admit we were wrong. For some reason, there’s still a lot of this fan base that won’t admit we were not only wrong to use the 4th overall pick on a RB but then threw salt in the wound by extending his contract and caving to his ridiculous demands with 2 years left on his contract.
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I’m still not convinced that taking Zeke fourth was the wrong decision, but I am not supportive of the decision to give into his demands. It’s funny though because we would have been going through the same thing with Ramsey. Also I am not sure if Ramsey would have been as good in our style defense, whatever that is as CB’s just doesn’t make plays for us.
 
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