Jesse Holley: "Source tells me it's going to take 4 years more years for this team to shine."

CowboyRoy · Oct 27, 2020

phildadon86 said:
There you go again.

I asked you not to give me any of these excuses and crap. And just say yes or no.

You cant do it. Dalton sucked everytime the lights were on him in Cincy. EVERY TIME.

You just refuse to admit that the drop off between the 2 is huge and want to die on that hill. All the power to you. It commendable but you sound like you are clueless when it comes to football.

I will give you one more chance.

Simple answer. YES OR NO.

Has Dak ever gone into a second half after only putting up 50 yards of offense.

YES OR NO?

CATCH17 · Oct 27, 2020

phildadon86 said:
There you go again.

I asked you not to give me any of these excuses and crap. And just say yes or no.

You cant do it. Dalton sucked everytime the lights were on him in Cincy. EVERY TIME.

You just refuse to admit that the drop off between the 2 is huge and want to die on that hill. All the power to you. It commendable but you sound like you are clueless when it comes to football.

Say yes or no to what?

You want me to say Dak is better than Dalton again? Like how many times do I need to say it? I said it before Dalton played and i'm still saying it.

What you can't comprehend is me saying they can get similar results if everything is optimal for them. When I say similar results I mean in terms wins and losses.

If you protect Dalton he will be fine. If you don't protect then Dak is a little better because of his athleticism although sometimes he never feels the pressure coming.

Neither guy elevates the team..

If you would like though I'll dumb it down 1 more time.. YES Dak is better than Dalton.

TruBluSince1982 · Oct 27, 2020

JohnsKey19 said:
I like Jesse but that statement makes no sense. No team in this NFL era plans for a 4 year rebuild. No credible source within the organization who is making real decisions would make such a statement.

Regardless of if there is a credible source or not, how long do you think it will take to fix the O-line / D-line / and entire secondary? Probably spot on, especially considering we never go after the high priced FA's, so no holes being filled that way.

A 3 to 4 year "re-build" is just a common sense timeline with all of our needs.

phildadon86 · Oct 27, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Say yes or no to what?

You want me to say Dak is better than Dalton again? Like how many times do I need to say it? I said it before Dalton played and i'm still saying it.

What you can't comprehend is me saying they can get similar results if everything is optimal for them. When I say similar results I mean in terms wins and losses.

If you protect Dalton he will be fine. If you don't protect then Dak is a little better because of his athleticism although sometimes he never feels the pressure coming.

Neither guy elevates the team..

If you would like though I'll dumb it down 1 more time.. YES Dak is better than Dalton.

LOL. No.

I asked you if Dak has ever had 50 yards of offense going into the second half of a football game.

And i think its pretty obvious Dak elevated this team because they havent done anything offensively since he went down.

And for the last time. Wins and losses ARE NOT a QB stat.

If Dak had a semblance of a defense we would have been 4-1 actually. We would have been 5-0 because he can shootout with anyone (as evidenced this season). Unfortunately our defense couldnt stop Jerry Jones at running back.

JW82 · Oct 27, 2020

in 2020 it should not take a team more than 2 years once they have a QB to compete. If you take 4 years to build a team you are losing your draft picks from year 1 to free agency. You can add 3 starters in the draft and 3-5 more in free agency, that's 12-16 of your 22 starters in 2 years.

McKDaddy · Oct 27, 2020

bbailey423 said:
That is probably due to the people we have running this organization. Sean McVay was in the Super Bowl year 1. Doug Perderson won a Super Bowl in year 2. If you have the right personnel people....you can be competitive in 2 years!

yeah but you've got to inherit some core players to make those turnarounds. with both our lines decimated, its going to take a lot of resources just to get the foundation ready.

CATCH17 · Oct 27, 2020

phildadon86 said:
LOL. No.

I asked you if Dak has ever had 50 yards of offense going into the second half of a football game.

And i think its pretty obvious Dak elevated this team because they havent done anything offensively since he went down.

And for the last time. Wins and losses ARE NOT a QB stat.

If Dak had a semblance of a defense we would have been 4-1 actually. We would have been 5-0 because he can shootout with anyone (as evidenced this season). Unfortunately our defense couldnt stop Jerry Jones at running back.

I don't want to here excuses for Dak about not having things. He wants all the money he's going to have to overcome a lot of obstacles. If I have to put up with mediocrity as a fan because of his contract demands he can put up with my expectations of him doing more with less.

Obviously defense is our #1 problem.. Dak is not a problem. He's just not an answer and for 40 million a year you need to be an answer and have a better post season resume.

Has Dak ever had 50 yards of offense? Um no? Who cares?

Dak was great at throwing all over the Seahawks, Browns, and Falcons.. Who isn't? Especially down multiple scores with a lot of time left..

phildadon86 · Oct 27, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I don't want to here excuses for Dak about not having things. He wants all the money he's going to have to overcome a lot of obstacles. If I have to put up with mediocrity as a fan because of his contract demands he can put up with my expectations of him doing more with less.

Obviously defense is our #1 problem.. Dak is not a problem. He's just not an answer and for 40 million a year you need to be an answer and have a better post season resume.

Has Dak ever had 50 yards of offense? Um no? Who cares?

Dak was great at throwing all over the Seahawks, Browns, and Falcons.. Who isn't? Especially down multiple scores with a lot of time left..

There you go. Dalton sucks. Thank you.

And for the last time. Dak never asked for 40 million a year. And Dak's post season resume really isnt all that bad. I mean if you want to talk about drop off between Dalton and Dak. I wouldnt bring the playoffs into it. lol

CWR · Oct 27, 2020

CowboyoWales said:
It's how the contracts are structured.

If you take Mahomes. Kelcie and Hill combined they make: $54m in 2021 and $58m 2022.

Compare that with Dak (if tagged), Cooper, Jarwin $65m in 2021 and $82 in 2022.

As @CowboyRoy, says above, the only way to reduce that figure is to sign Dak to a long contract.

Makes sense, but then we can start saving money today by cutting guys like Poe and Crawford. Maybe we need to look at biting the bullet and first opportunity to cut Jaylon. Can we get Dlaw to take a pay cut or when can we cut him as well? Is there anyone that would make a play for Zeke? Maybe Chicago or Buffalo? These are the type of moves we need to make and the mentality they need to have moving forward. We cant stubbornly hold on to bad players because we aren't willing to accept the mistake.

Vanilla2 · Oct 27, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Listen.. You guys and your straw man arguments..

Dak is a good player.

He's not overcoming all of this while getting paid like he is Patrick Mahomes.. Got it?

He's good but he's not good enough for the money he wants. Paying him is a 1 way ticket to mediocreville and you guys will applaud it while it happens and then cry about everything around him not being enough.

I hope who ever you want ends up being a scrub

Vanilla2 · Oct 27, 2020

stasheroo said:
I haven't watched the entire episode but did anyone else notice Nate starting right off going after Dontari Poe? I don't disagree with him whatsoever, Poe has been terrible.

However, I want to make sure that everyone notices that he says nothing about Tyrone Crawford, a guy who's being paid nearly 3 times as much money as Poe, and has done less than nothing this year or last year. His numbers are actually worse than Poe's!

Why is it that nobody covering the Cowboys will even mention the guy's name at this point?

People want to talk about disappointments and rebuilding, how about starting with arguably the biggest waste of time and money on the entire roster?

Poe gets the juices flowing for some before kickoff. That’s why he’s such a big target. And Nate is smart enough to see the red meat his listeners crave.

lostar2009 · Oct 27, 2020

I disagree. Seem like our C has been solid, we still have Martin and Collins. We just need a LT or switch Collins over to LT and draft a RT. If the coaching staff finally get a couple good DT(FA/Draft) and find a freaking safety we good. I'll take a box or a true free safety(Earl Thomas).

Main needs
Tackle
DT
S.
DC

If we get this sorted we good.

Stash · Oct 27, 2020

Vanilla2 said:
Poe gets the juices flowing for some before kickoff. That’s why he’s such a big target. And Nate is smart enough to see the red meat his listeners crave.

I just can't get over how nobody will talk about the enormous mistake and waste of time and money that is Crawford. I've listened to many Cowboys-centric shows for several years, and it was always sickening to hear them mention Crawford and the bull**** about 'position flex', and 'leadership' in lieu of any tangible or impactful on-field contributions. When a guy doesn't deliver tangible results, the talk always turns to the intangibles that they claim the guy brings. Intangibles which end up in no results, and nothing that helps the team to actually win football games.

So now, they're A-OK criticizing the new guy making $3.5 million while saying nothing about the guys costing them $9.1 million.

It makes zero sense and reeks of a cover-up. It's not about criticizing Poe - he sucks and he deserves it - but it's about noticeably avoiding talking about an even bigger disappointment and waste of money. And a guy that these same people have tried to talk up and make excuses for for years. Now they simply 'avoid talking about him at all'.

Vanilla2 · Oct 27, 2020

stasheroo said:
I just can't get over how nobody will talk about the enormous mistake and waste of time and money that is Crawford. I've listened to many Cowboys-centric shows for several years, and it was always sickening to hear them mention Crawford and the bull**** about 'position flex', and 'leadership' in lieu of any tangible or impactful on-field contributions. When a guy doesn't deliver tangible results, the talk always turns to the intangibles that they claim the guy brings. Intangibles which end up in no results, and nothing that helps the team to actually win football games.

So now, they're A-OK criticizing the new guy making $3.5 million while saying nothing about the guys costing them $9.1 million.

It makes zero sense and reeks of a cover-up. It's not about criticizing Poe - he sucks and he deserves it - but it's about noticeably avoiding talking about an even bigger disappointment and waste of money. And a guy that these same people have tried to talk up and make excuses for for years. Now they simply 'avoid talking about him at all'.

I can’t remember the last time I’ve noticed 98. Maybe it’s an out of sight out of mind situation.

Stash · Oct 27, 2020

Vanilla2 said:
I can’t remember the last time I’ve noticed 98. Maybe it’s an out of sight out of mind situation.

He's the guy getting washed out of every play.

Take a look at his numbers from this year:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CrawTy00.htm

For $9 million, he hasn't even recorded a single statistic for 3 weeks now.

It's the team disgrace that no one wants to talk about. $9 million this year, and close to $20 million over the past two season, willfully flushed down the drain for nothing.

eromeopolk · Oct 27, 2020

GMO415 said:
WOW. Sounds like a rebuild to me. Not thrilled that we have players on this roster that shouldn't be playing the NFL period!

https://www.dallascowboys.com/video/hangin-with-the-boys-like-an-old-carburetor

Did the Grim Reaper show him Jerry Jones collection date.

StarBoyz83 · Oct 27, 2020

I was thinking 2-3 seasons until dallas was a contender this offseason. After how bad its been im still thinking 2-3 seasons after this one lol

RonnieT24 · Oct 27, 2020

erod said:
You pay Dak, and he has to carry you. Almost by himself.

You can say goodbye to Cooper, Gallup, and any hope of building a serious defense. Name a highly paid quarterback that has a great defense. Those teams get picked apart because they can't pay their guys when they come due.

Neither team in the Super Bowl had a high-paid quarterback. And the Chiefs had better win another now because they're about to get picked apart. Can Mahomes do it without Kelce, Hill, Jones, and Matthieu? Because he'll have to soon.

Brady understands this, but he has a wife that makes more than him in a month than he does in a year.

Um Garappolo is making like 26 million a year. I want YOUR salary if that's not high paid to you.

CWR · Oct 27, 2020

CATCH17 said:
lol what? Ok i'll play..

If a QB wins a title or they are actually elite then i'm fine with paying them.

IF you win a Superbowl with Joe Flacco on a rookie deal and you want to parade him around after it then by all means go ahead.

But rewarding guys who aren't truly elite players that have no hardware is absurd. That is what we have done. We've rewarded all of these players and they are showing how they respond when we reward failure.

So you think Dak fits the same mold as these other guys we've re-signed?

CowboyoWales · Oct 27, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
Makes sense, but then we can start saving money today by cutting guys like Poe and Crawford. Maybe we need to look at biting the bullet and first opportunity to cut Jaylon. Can we get Dlaw to take a pay cut or when can we cut him as well? Is there anyone that would make a play for Zeke? Maybe Chicago or Buffalo? These are the type of moves we need to make and the mentality they need to have moving forward. We cant stubbornly hold on to bad players because we aren't willing to accept the mistake.

Releasing Crawford and Poe only saves $0.5m. Luckily there's only something like $0.75 in dead money left to pay Poe after this season, so he (and Crawford) will be gone.

Problem with Cooper, Jaylon and Zeke is that we cant cut/trade next season their money still counts against the CAP.

We could look to cutting/trade the three prior to 2022 season, but the savings have to offset with extending Pollard and Gallup extention (we'll save but not much). With Jaylon, if we cut him 2022, we'd save $5m ....I assume we wouldnt get much for his replacement.

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