Sports myths

tyke1doe said:
Emmitt Smith was laughably awful.

Can a leopard change its stripes. :laugh::lmao::lmao2:

He'll never live that one down.
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Joe Montana was twice as bad the one season he was on NBC.
Viewers could tune in to just one pre- \post game show (no matter if it was at that season's start\middle\end) -anyone watching immediately saw he had no business being in that role. Despite being propped up behind the scenes (as all analysts are) Montana was (1) not insightful - (2) boring= no personality - (3) his body language was BAD = Joe really was uncomfortable ---making him a bad choice for that job despite his tremendous HOF career.
 
Bobhaze said:
Jerry’s sold on the idea that he’s got enough money to burn at the craps table to keep rolling the dice. He believes sooner or later his roll will happen. He believes getting to a SB is all about luck. With him in charge, that’s actually true. It’s our only hope.
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That’s a big part of it. But he also believes he has enough talent.

Our luck will need to come in the draft hitting on great talent or our QB becoming one of the greatest.

We are a talent dependent franchise. We have no chance without the best or at least close to the best talent.
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the definitions of a myth is a widely held but false belief or idea. We fans are all at least occasionally guilty of believing in sports myths- things that are based more on hope than reality for things we deeply want to believe. Sports myths often blind us as fans to sports reality.

Here are some commonly held fan sports myths we often see:
  • Popular former players with no coaching experience can immediately become an offensive or defensive coordinator or even head coach. Example: Tony Romo’s good work as a TV analyst doesn’t mean he is immediately qualified to be an offensive coordinator with zero coaching experience. Being an effective coordinator in the NFL is much harder than it looks. It’s requires at least some prior coaching experience.
  • “Team friendly” contracts for players we want to see stay in Dallas for less money than they could get on the market. Examples: Dak Prescott should forego what the market says a QB is worth and settle for less money to help the team. Or any other Cowboys veteran who is about to need a new contract. Thinking a player should sacrifice their market value to stay with the home team is unfair to the players whose ability to make top sports dollars is extremely brief.
  • Great players can mentor or teach younger players how to be like them. Athletic greatness is very difficult to teach at this level. And great players rarely make great coaches. Many great coaches on the other hand were often not themselves among the greatest players. Probably because they had to work harder at being successful on the field, they are better at teaching that than those whose greatness was easier.
  • The refs and the rest of the NFL are out to get us every week as a part of a grand conspiracy- I will just leave it at that. It still amazes me how many people believe this. Sure we get bad calls. But bad calls are pretty much “equal opportunity” in the NFL.
What are some other sports myths commonly held?
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Once they get, "the book", on a quaterback. Then they'll be able to stop him. Brady had a lot of tape out there, marino, manning etc. If you're great you make plays more often than not no matter how much game film you got.
 
Any O skill player must be a deep threat.

I see this sentiment more and more. People don't understand the role of a Witten, Schultz, Emmit Smith, Irvin. Chain movers.
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the definitions of a myth is a widely held but false belief or idea. We fans are all at least occasionally guilty of believing in sports myths- things that are based more on hope than reality for things we deeply want to believe. Sports myths often blind us as fans to sports reality.

Here are some commonly held fan sports myths we often see:
  • Popular former players with no coaching experience can immediately become an offensive or defensive coordinator or even head coach. Example: Tony Romo’s good work as a TV analyst doesn’t mean he is immediately qualified to be an offensive coordinator with zero coaching experience. Being an effective coordinator in the NFL is much harder than it looks. It’s requires at least some prior coaching experience.
  • “Team friendly” contracts for players we want to see stay in Dallas for less money than they could get on the market. Examples: Dak Prescott should forego what the market says a QB is worth and settle for less money to help the team. Or any other Cowboys veteran who is about to need a new contract. Thinking a player should sacrifice their market value to stay with the home team is unfair to the players whose ability to make top sports dollars is extremely brief.
  • Great players can mentor or teach younger players how to be like them. Athletic greatness is very difficult to teach at this level. And great players rarely make great coaches. Many great coaches on the other hand were often not themselves among the greatest players. Probably because they had to work harder at being successful on the field, they are better at teaching that than those whose greatness was easier.
  • The refs and the rest of the NFL are out to get us every week as a part of a grand conspiracy- I will just leave it at that. It still amazes me how many people believe this. Sure we get bad calls. But bad calls are pretty much “equal opportunity” in the NFL.
What are some other sports myths commonly held?
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I dont know about the Refs thing. :huh: I watch a bunch of football, and I promise you our D Line gets held more than other teams and we get far less holding calls. It also seems...and Im saying seems on this one, because i havent actually sat down to determine the truth about this, but it also seems as if we get more calls called against our defense on 3rd down when we get a stop to keep the opponents drive going.
 
thechosen1n2 said:
I dont know about the Refs thing. :huh: I watch a bunch of football, and I promise you our D Line gets held more than other teams and we get far less holding calls. It also seems...and Im saying seems on this one, because i havent actually sat down to determine the truth about this, but it also seems as if we get more calls called against our defense on 3rd down when we get a stop to keep the opponents drive going.
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There are 10 teams that get more penalties called on them than we do.

There are also 7 teams that benefit from penalty calls less than we do.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/
 
Here’s a common football myth: If you’re a small, white WR, you’re automatically considered a “great route runner” a “lunch pail guy” who works hard, has “good hands”, etc. etc.

Another one: If you’re a coach’s son, you’re automatically someone who really “understands the game”
 
thunderpimp91 said:
Haha well i wont argue too bad. I've certainly been frustrated at times and gone down that conspiracy tunnel myself...Dez caught it!
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While I would’ve objectively said Dez’s was a catch, the problem with that call wasn’t some grand conspiracy or bias against the Cowboys. It was a result of a ridiculous rule that depended upon individual judgement(a/k/a opinion). That’s the problem with many of the crucial calls, they’re based on the opinion of individuals.

That said, the biggest support for an anti-Cowboys bias was the 7 or 8 games they went (in 2018 I believe) where the opposition OLs were not called for holding. That simply defies logic and pure probabilities. Especially given that holding is prohibitively a judgement call.
 
JustChip said:
While I would’ve objectively said Dez’s was a catch, the problem with that call wasn’t some grand conspiracy or bias against the Cowboys. It was a result of a ridiculous rule that depended upon individual judgement(a/k/a opinion). That’s the problem with many of the crucial calls, they’re based on the opinion of individuals.

That said, the biggest support for an anti-Cowboys bias was the 7 or 8 games they went (in 2018 I believe) where the opposition OLs were not called for holding. That simply defies logic and pure probabilities. Especially given that holding is prohibitively a judgement call.
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Except for the fact that the Detroit Lions went through a similar stretch that same season. And remember, this CONSPIRACY! "theory" was started by some tweet noting that the stretch was where opponents weren't called for holding on passing plays over that period. And I haven't researched the actual numbers (just like "theorists" don't, lol), but it seems to me that most holding calls are on runs. So it's not logic-defying at all if you're only going to look at roughly half the holding possibilities.
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the definitions of a myth is a widely held but false belief or idea. We fans are all at least occasionally guilty of believing in sports myths- things that are based more on hope than reality for things we deeply want to believe. Sports myths often blind us as fans to sports reality.

Here are some commonly held fan sports myths we often see:
  • Popular former players with no coaching experience can immediately become an offensive or defensive coordinator or even head coach. Example: Tony Romo’s good work as a TV analyst doesn’t mean he is immediately qualified to be an offensive coordinator with zero coaching experience. Being an effective coordinator in the NFL is much harder than it looks. It’s requires at least some prior coaching experience.
  • “Team friendly” contracts for players we want to see stay in Dallas for less money than they could get on the market. Examples: Dak Prescott should forego what the market says a QB is worth and settle for less money to help the team. Or any other Cowboys veteran who is about to need a new contract. Thinking a player should sacrifice their market value to stay with the home team is unfair to the players whose ability to make top sports dollars is extremely brief.
  • Great players can mentor or teach younger players how to be like them. Athletic greatness is very difficult to teach at this level. And great players rarely make great coaches. Many great coaches on the other hand were often not themselves among the greatest players. Probably because they had to work harder at being successful on the field, they are better at teaching that than those whose greatness was easier.
  • The refs and the rest of the NFL are out to get us every week as a part of a grand conspiracy- I will just leave it at that. It still amazes me how many people believe this. Sure we get bad calls. But bad calls are pretty much “equal opportunity” in the NFL.
What are some other sports myths commonly held?
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Agree totally except I do think Tony could be a great OC
HC? Maybe not but his in-depth knowledge of defenses I think make him a good candidate
My favorite myth is always those who say Troy would be great GM
I’ve never seen any evidence Troy has any clue about being a GM
 
Jipper said:
hate to tell you but you have no idea what you are talking about here, Dallas has actually been one of the very best at extracting value out of where they draft...it’s not all about pro bowl it’s about getting the most you can with the draft capital you have...I will say we have been very bad with free agency though...check out the article below it might help you see a different pov

and btw...Dallas is 2nd in the most pro bowlers drafted in the last decade...

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/nfl-drafting-efficiency-2010-2019
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I think he’s making the same point you are lol
 
JustChip said:
While I would’ve objectively said Dez’s was a catch, the problem with that call wasn’t some grand conspiracy or bias against the Cowboys. It was a result of a ridiculous rule that depended upon individual judgement(a/k/a opinion). That’s the problem with many of the crucial calls, they’re based on the opinion of individuals.

That said, the biggest support for an anti-Cowboys bias was the 7 or 8 games they went (in 2018 I believe) where the opposition OLs were not called for holding. That simply defies logic and pure probabilities. Especially given that holding is prohibitively a judgement call.
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Ahhh yes, the great non-called holding conspiracy.

I don't know how many times I posted the fact that several teams benefitted from fewer holding calls than the Cowboys, yet the myth lives to this day.

In 2018, 11 teams got fewer holding calls on their opponents. Two of those teams are in the NFC East. Washington benefitted the least.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2018&view=team
 
Jake said:
Ahhh yes, the great non-called holding conspiracy.

I don't know how many times I posted the fact that several teams benefitted from fewer holding calls than the Cowboys, yet the myth lives to this day.

In 2018, 11 teams got fewer holding calls on their opponents. Two of those teams are in the NFC East. Washington benefitted the least.

https://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2018&view=team
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When you are watching your favorite team play, most die hard fans never see the “bad calls” that happen to the opponent because they literally never see them. We are wired naturally to see the bad things that happen to us, but are less inclined to notice what happens to the opponent.

Everyone remembers the bad call on the Dez catch of course in GB in 2014. Well from that same playoff year, ask a lions fan what they think about the absolutely horrible non-call they got when Anthony Hitchens clearly got away with PI- which was called originally, then the flag was picked up. On that same play, Dez should have been flagged for running out on the field to protest the original call. That should have been an “unsportsmanlike conduct” call and a first down for the lions, enabling them to run out the clock and win that game. I know a lions fan who said to me at the time, “The league wanted Dallas to win that game”, lol.

When you’re a fan (fanatic) most objectivity goes out the sports window.
 
Bobhaze said:
When you are watching your favorite team play, most die hard fans never see the “bad calls” that happen to the opponent because they literally never see them. We are wired naturally to see the bad things that happen to us, but are less inclined to notice what happens to the opponent.

Everyone remembers the bad call on the Dez catch of course in GB in 2014. Well from that same playoff year, ask a lions fan what they think about the absolutely horrible non-call they got when Anthony Hitchens clearly got away with PI- which was called originally, then the flag was picked up. On that same play, Dez should have been flagged for running out on the field to protest the original call. That should have been an “unsportsmanlike conduct” call and a first down for the lions, enabling them to run out the clock and win that game. I know a lions fan who said to me at the time, “The league wanted Dallas to win that game”, lol.

When you’re a fan (fanatic) most objectivity goes out the sports window.
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I get that happening in the heat of the moment. We only care about our team.

What cracks me up are fans who persist in believing things that are demonstrably untrue, well after the game is over. :muttley:
 
jazzcat22 said:
I still say the refs are out to get us more so than others. You watch the games. We may get a game 1 out of 15 where we get a few calls.
Seems for years we have been on the short end of the stick and lost games way more that winning a game from bad calls.
Everyone knows it is true.

The first 3 points, spot on. I hope that many will realize come FA time in March.
They actually signed many top FA's names this past off-season. Many were happy they finally done so. But it did not work out, so they go back to Jerry bashing, not remembering they tried.
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I wouldn't say they are out to get us, but we do seem to get an inordinate amount of late-game bad or close calls that go against us. A big part of why it is that way or why it seems that way is that we've been in a lot of close games so every call is bigger. It doesn't matter if a bad pass interference penalty is called against you in the final few minutes if you are up or down by multiple scores.
 
thunderpimp91 said:
You could go on any teams forums and they will make the same argument against their team. I think it has more to do with how difficult the league has made the refs jobs than a bias against a team.
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I wish it were possible to study that. As it stands now...either side you take is debatable.

Dissect each and every game. What penalties were called, what was missed, what was not actually a penalty. Yards lost. Yards gained. Points removed/added. Drives stalled or sustained.

I bet the NFL has a version of this....and top secret! :cool:
 
Bobhaze said:
One of the definitions of a myth is a widely held but false belief or idea. We fans are all at least occasionally guilty of believing in sports myths- things that are based more on hope than reality for things we deeply want to believe. Sports myths often blind us as fans to sports reality.

Here are some commonly held fan sports myths we often see:
  • Popular former players with no coaching experience can immediately become an offensive or defensive coordinator or even head coach. Example: Tony Romo’s good work as a TV analyst doesn’t mean he is immediately qualified to be an offensive coordinator with zero coaching experience. Being an effective coordinator in the NFL is much harder than it looks. It’s requires at least some prior coaching experience.
  • “Team friendly” contracts for players we want to see stay in Dallas for less money than they could get on the market. Examples: Dak Prescott should forego what the market says a QB is worth and settle for less money to help the team. Or any other Cowboys veteran who is about to need a new contract. Thinking a player should sacrifice their market value to stay with the home team is unfair to the players whose ability to make top sports dollars is extremely brief.
  • Great players can mentor or teach younger players how to be like them. Athletic greatness is very difficult to teach at this level. And great players rarely make great coaches. Many great coaches on the other hand were often not themselves among the greatest players. Probably because they had to work harder at being successful on the field, they are better at teaching that than those whose greatness was easier.
  • The refs and the rest of the NFL are out to get us every week as a part of a grand conspiracy- I will just leave it at that. It still amazes me how many people believe this. Sure we get bad calls. But bad calls are pretty much “equal opportunity” in the NFL.
What are some other sports myths commonly held?
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I can always depend on a well though out, interesting post from you. Thanks Hazey, I agree, for the most part. The players becoming coaches thing—yes, great players often don’t make the best coaches. They usually come from the unknowns. Bill Bellichick was a scrub as a player, but now he’s acknowledged as a GOAT candidate. The people clamoring for Sean Lee know this too. They/we/I want him to retire, because he can’t seem to stay healthy, and isn’t thriving in Nolan’s system because it’s different than anything he’s played his whole career. He’s also not surrounded by a lot of overwhelming talent. I think he’d make a great coach because of his passion for the game, his work ethic, and his film study. Those things made him a very good player, despite lack of size and speed, and the injuries negated his impact, and made some under appreciate a blue collar overachiever.

I also agree with the notion that a “grand conspiracy” is actually at work. What I think DOES exist is a bias MUCH larger for Dallas than any other team, because people resent all the hype over a team that hasn’t earned it during their lifetime. I also find it curious that while Dallas isn’t the MOST penalized team (which research will easily prove), but the all important TIMING of those flags is not recorded. They always seem to come either on third or fourth and long, or right after a big play. Just odd, that’s all. Third and 22, Dallas completes a 30 yard pass play, and here comes a holding penalty! The other team has a third and 14, we stop them, but wait, a late flag gives ‘em a first and goal!
 
jazzcat22 said:
The proof is right in front of you. NE been getting away with crap for years. Slap on the wrist for all the did get caught doing.
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Romo used to get DESTROYED, and no flag. Tank got a roughing flag because his arm bumped a QBs arm while he was throwing! Preposterous!
 
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