Dan Quinn = Barry Switzer

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1st two picks of 2015: Defense, 4 out of 7 picks on defense

1st two picks of 2016 Defense, 3 out of 6 picks on defense


1st two picks of 2017 Defense, 3 out of 6 picks on defense

2 and 3 pick of 2018 Defense, 3 out of 6 picks on defense

2 and 3 pick of 2019 Defense, 3 out of 6 picks on defense

4 of 6 picks of 2020 on defense, including 1 and 2

Basically, their drafts targeted defense, irrespective of ‘salary cap’ numbers. Plus, Quinn looks like he drafted way too many LBs. They also drafted plenty of CBs, and they still continued to suck in the secondary. I think within the mix, 2 safeties, the point being Quinn didn’t contribute to drafting any Legion of Boom in his time as HC of the Falcons. Those salary cap numbers are probably skewed overall, because guys like Julio Jones signed a 22 million dollar a year three year contract a couple years back.

Listen we agree on a great majority of stuff here. My issue is who did people want as DC? If you are a great DC you probably already have a job. If you are out there and have D Coordinator experience than you are a retread and probably have scars people can pick at. If you are a young up
And comer...LB or secondary coach..then you are an unknown. Sturm was saying this was as good as you could expect. I agree. What did people expect to get?
 

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Do not confuse the Switzer that came out of retirement to help Booger out with the earlier model. He was an excellent coach and the inspiration for Johnson going into coaching and why Booger wanted to but wanted more money.

Switzer's live and let live style led some to believe he wasn't a good coach but he most definitely a good coach. He wasn't a good disciplinarian.
 

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Listen we agree on a great majority of stuff here. My issue is who did people want as DC? If you are a great DC you probably already have a job. If you are out there and have D Coordinator experience than you are a retread and probably have scars people can pick at. If you are a young up
And comer...LB or secondary coach..then you are an unknown. Sturm was saying this was as good as you could expect. I agree. What did people expect to get?

I understand your viewpoint, just adding perspective.
Quinn was given ample opportunity in Atlanta to build a defense and he spent considerable resources on the secondary, and they blew. Unlike Seattle where he inherited the LOB, he did no such thing in Atlanta. It’s difficult to argue it was because of ‘money’ that Atlanta’s defense sucked.

This was my problem with MM from the beginning. Older coaches tend to be static in their ways and hire retread coaches. If we went for a younger HC in the beginning, we could have gotten a risk-taker. McVay didn’t bother bringing Wade back, even though the latter is a legend DC. Being young, he took a risk, the defense is better and McVay has also adjusted the offense. McDermott had transformed the Bills from garbage to a SB contender and Frank Reich has the Colts on track.

My main issue is MM is an offensive guy and Jerry insists on Moore being the OC, even after BS supposedly offered him the HC job. So what exactly us the role of MM, other than filling the rest of slots for basically his guys? This is where Jerry is a conundrum. He’s more than willing to give Moore control of the offense, but doesn’t want to hire a young guy as HC that would exert serious authority.
 
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He isn't a top winner record-wise unless "top winner" spans down to the top 25, and the only thing that keeps him in the top 25 is the fact that he took over a dynasty and never coached again after getting fired by Jerry. Had he coached another team instead of Dallas, or any other team after Dallas, he's nowhere near the top 25.
I meant top winner during his career in college football where he won 3 NC and a massive number of bowl games . I think he is still top 3 percentage wise .
In the NFL he managed to win a Super bowl and almost another despite game circumstances against SF . We all know jimmy built that team with jerry before FA era kicked in . And jimmy is a better overall coach in the NFL as barry was retired when jerry called him . Actually Barry’s only meeting against jimmy in the NFL , barry won big . But put yourself in Barry’s shoes . A no win situation with a fanbase rightfully enraged by the firing of Jimmy ( or jimmy bating jerry to firing him when he flirted with the Jaguars) . Jerry took the blame and he was a meddlesome owner and remained under Switzer and others . The locker room was tired of Jimmy’s antics and the bickering and switzer needs to receive credit for salvaging what he could .
 

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Seattle's defense has been bad for 5 years now.

I know theyve been off the last couple years but "bad" for 5 years? Do you have numbers to back that or just going from memory?

And regardless, Carroll is the architect of that cover-3 scheme that made Seattle the most emulated defense in the league. Team have definitely begun to expose pres cover-3 looks, but it's not mistake that the one constant through all of Seattle's defensive success was Carroll.
 

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Barry S was a great college coach. As an NFL HC? Not so much.

His greatest talent in college was his ability to recruit some of the best players in the country to Norman, OK. He was a great football mind, but by the time he took the job in Dallas in 1994, he was a shell of what he had been as a college head coach. In Dallas he was more of a figure head than an invested HC. I respect him as a great college FB coach. In the NFL, he was a lucky head coach.
You're going to get no argument from me. Barry was always a fiery heart on sleeve guy. You could just tell he was running on fumes especially in 1997. I just have never liked the disrespect he's gotten when everyone of us in his position to do what he and Jimmy did winning big in college and pros would have taken the job. I just have never been able to kill him.
 

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I don't know why you have to attack my age but your attack of my age makes your incredible argument even less credible.
1. Moose and Irvin was injured after Barry Switzer left. 98 for Moose and 99 for Irvin.
2. I didn't hold Switzer responsible for father time, so I'm not sure where you came up with that. Your argument is faulty at best. You're saying that age and retirement ravaged the team. Well they won in '95, 96 they lost to an 2nd year expansion team in the divisional round of the playoffs. 97 the team quit on Switzer and they didn't make the playoffs. There was not a lot of turnover from that '96 team to the 97 team. The only 2 starters I can think of that left were Larry Brown and Russell Maryland. They left after the '95 season. You already spent much time discussing how Larry Brown was a non factor and Russell was an above average starter. In this time period Larry Allen was coming into his own and they still had Nate Newton, Big E, Tooey, Emmitt Smith, Moose, Irvin, Williams, and of coarse Aikman. Not a lot of turnover from that '96 team. You're not going to convince me that Jay Novacek was the key cog in our offense. Also Kevin Smith was healthy, prime Darren Woodson, Deion Sanders in his prime. That's a pretty talented defense to go along with that offense. So for anyone counting you got Aikman, Irvin, Allen, Deion, Emmitt. 5 HOFers in the prime of their careers. Darren Woodson, HOF candidate, Tolbert, K. Smith, Lett, all above average starters. How did Switzer do a good job in '96 and '97 with this talent? Oh right, they were all injured, sorry my dementia from old age is kicking in. Well doesn't a good coach figure out ways to coach up the rest of the team that isn't injured. So every HOFer from that team was injured at the exact same time. If you have one or two HOfer's on your team, even if they're a little nicked up you have a good squad. Especially if one of those is a first ballot HOFer at QB. Those are pretty rare. Switzer had 5 and Woodson will make it 6 when he is inducted. 6 HOFer's on one team.
3. Not to quote Mickey Spags but if Switzer was such a great coach why didn't anyone try to sign him when Jerry fired him? Why hasn't any team tried to talk him out of retirement? Other great coaches were talked out of retirement, such as Parcells, Gibbs, Vermeil, Gruden, etc. If he's so great why is he available?

I have nothing against Switzer as a person but he was not a good NFL coach. He inherited a porsche from Jimmy Johnson and he didn't do any upkeep on the porsche and that porsche turned into a rusty old car that quit on the side of the road. Good coaches don't let that happen in a span of 2 seasons. Good guy but not a great coach.
Switzer was such a horrific NFL coach that I generally don't argue w/ those who claim otherwise. There's just no way they're going to make sense.
 

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I know theyve been off the last couple years but "bad" for 5 years? Do you have numbers to back that or just going from memory?

And regardless, Carroll is the architect of that cover-3 scheme that made Seattle the most emulated defense in the league. Team have definitely begun to expose pres cover-3 looks, but it's not mistake that the one constant through all of Seattle's defensive success was Carroll.

Mediocre too bad is probably most fair. It was 4 years ago they dropped out of the top 10. They were 26th and 22nd the past two years.

Carroll was the constant then too.
 

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Switzer was such a horrific NFL coach that I generally don't argue w/ those who claim otherwise. There's just no way they're going to make sense.
Lol, true. He was just terrible.
 

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There will be a whole new regime in 2022.
I could really see this playing out if they produce another clunker.

And if you look at talent alone this team is a ways away. The 2021 draft won’t plug all the holes.
 

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I think you mean got older and older.. And how could a team that won the Super Bowl , '95, be "worse" than a team that didn't.. '94.. The fact that you include Larry Brown on that list of great players tells me you were either very young back then or you are very old right now.. Brown does not belong on that list.. He caught two gift wrapped interceptions in a Super Bowl.. other than that he was the guy who got picked on opposite Kevin Smith and then Deion. He was not a bad player by any stretch but putting him in that class is being overly generous. But back to the teams Switzer coached.. They got old.. Emmitt played two seasons with bone spurs in his ankles.. Big E had the infamous car accident from which he never fully recovered. Haley's back caused him to have to hang 'em up. Same with Novacek who they never replaced. Nate got old.. Tooey got old.. Stepnoski went to the Titans.. Moose's neck sent him into retiremen.. As did Irvin's. Holding Switzer responsible for the ravages for Father Time (and free agency) simply is unfair.. not to mention in accurate.

Exactly....100.. Switzer gets a rap that he just rode Jimmy's team to success. Of course you do that, if you had the talent he inherited and SB ready team that is what a smart coach will do . Put it on auto pilot and let his team do what they do. Which they did. Almost got him a second SB ring too. But don't be fooled, he did have a great football mind, don't confuse him with Jones at all. He was not supposed to be the long term solution as a HC, just the one to drive the SB bus for now. The FO is the one that failed on getting the incoming talent to continue the dynasty.
 

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He hasn’t coached one snap with us, lets see what he can do

its not possible for the defense to be worse than it was this year unless we only play with 5 dudes and 6 Rottweilers
Be care
I really think the Urban Legend is just looking for a big payday to retire with. I don't think he gets it done in the NFL.
If he is only looking a big payday to fund his retirement years, he could easily snag one of the top college positions and make more money than he would make with a NFL team.
 

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Mediocre too bad is probably most fair. It was 4 years ago they dropped out of the top 10. They were 26th and 22nd the past two years.

Carroll was the constant then too.

I feel like you're cherry picking just to argue with me. I've mentioned several times that I feel like the NFL has figured out the cover-3 scheme. There is also the fact that the talent on that defense has been mediocre at best. Almost every coach goes through ebbs and flows of being good and bad. Hell, Landry had some brutally bad years and he's widely regarded as one of the bets ever. So, I'm not really sure what argument you're making other than just arguing.
 

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I feel like you're cherry picking just to argue with me. I've mentioned several times that I feel like the NFL has figured out the cover-3 scheme. There is also the fact that the talent on that defense has been mediocre at best. Almost every coach goes through ebbs and flows of being good and bad. Hell, Landry had some brutally bad years and he's widely regarded as one of the bets ever. So, I'm not really sure what argument you're making other than just arguing.

Cherry picking?

I was arguing the notion that Carroll was the only constant for those good defenses that Bradley and Quinn were there for. I was just pointing out that Carroll has seen mediocre to bad defenses too and discards that assumption of causation.

4-3 under and cover 3 have been around for longer than Quinn has been alive. If defensive talent is an excuse then we should have kept Nolan. And Landry saw decades of dominance not a 5 year window followed by 4 mediocre to bad.
 
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This is so disgusting and boring...

The Cowboys can't find an up coming DC.

Quinn is an Ace and a great Coach but this recycle and retread is pathetic.

I just hope he stays away from the players and handles scheme stuff and not teaching.
So you think the best idea is to have the new defensive coordinator NOT teach his players? Hmm.
 

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man the overthinking and ridiculous comments from all sides are insane.. no matter what jerry does or doesnt do it gets picked apart and deemed failure before it ever gets chance..

you all dont know SPIT!

everything discussed around here is rhetoric and hyperbole , those that say they KNOW as FACT or its easy to KNOW. Get the freak out of here with that mess..

you wanted Garett gone, 5 games into Mm tenure you wanted them ALL FIRED..WANTED NOLAN GONE AND STATED jerry wouldn't do it hes to cheap to fire someone on new deal, well he did it, you now are unhappy about the interviews and the hire..lmao..nothing absolutely nothing will be right around here..

SMH this place has gone to the homeless dogs...i truly to swim around looking for DC fans to have a bond with and i feel like i landed in enemy territory..ughhh:facepalm::angry::popcorn::espn:
 

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man the overthinking and ridiculous comments from all sides are insane.. no matter what jerry does or doesnt do it gets picked apart and deemed failure before it ever gets chance..

you all dont know SPIT!

everything discussed around here is rhetoric and hyperbole , those that say they KNOW as FACT or its easy to KNOW. Get the freak out of here with that mess..

you wanted Garett gone, 5 games into Mm tenure you wanted them ALL FIRED..WANTED NOLAN GONE AND STATED jerry wouldn't do it hes to cheap to fire someone on new deal, well he did it, you now are unhappy about the interviews and the hire..lmao..nothing absolutely nothing will be right around here..

SMH this place has gone to the homeless dogs...i truly to swim around looking for DC fans to have a bond with and i feel like i landed in enemy territory..ughhh:facepalm::angry::popcorn::espn:
ok....ok...everything's going to be ok...take a breath.....go get a beer.....things will be ok
 

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Yeah, I don't get the analogy. Switzer had never coached an NFL game in his life and was retired from college football for 7 years when Jerry hired him. Quinn is actually a great hire. I think he's a better coach then MM.
 
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