Cowboys need to resign Dak before Baker and Josh Allen reset the market

erod

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spin away. they were 12th in rushing. so do we also take out Jackson's rushing yards from Ravens?
The fact that you pay attention to stat yards is funny to me.

They mean nothing.

Roethlisberger broke the NFL completion record for a playoff game with 47 and threw for 500 yards.

And got his butt kicked because he was awful.

LOL
 

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Watch any Seahawks game for the answer to that.
So receivers don’t count, it’s the QB doing all the lifting? Metcalf and Lockett aren’t chopped liver that Russ has to suffer through.
 

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Because Mariota, Darnold, Gabbart, RG III and others worked out so well?

What are the odds of drafting a Mahomes vs. drafting a Daniel Jones.

The point is, sure drafting is cheaper, but the odds of making a notable improvement at the position are low, and the odds of actually getting worse at the position are worrisome.


I think the odds of drafting a solid QB have never been higher because of the changes to the league since about 2016.
 

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oh, thanks.....even worse.....he folded like a cheap K-mart lawn chair against a team coming in 2nd in their division. he gave us zero chance. in fact he was net negative
Never understood why some fans invented and wrapped themselves up in this 'Dak vs. Dalton' crosstalk. From the day he signed I thought of Dalton as being a good choice as the backup QB - nnothing more. Surprising that he struggled so much in some games. Doubt there is any team that sign him as a starter. He might have only a couple of offers to be in a backup role besides the Cowboys.
 

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The fact that you pay attention to stat yards is funny to me.

They mean nothing.

Roethlisberger broke the NFL completion record for a playoff game with 47 and threw for 500 yards.

And got his butt kicked because he was awful.

LOL
so in your opinion when we evaluate Ravens and AZ, we should dismiss Murray and Jackson rushing yards? because they are QBs and that threat as a rusher is meaningless, those planned rushing attempts are meaningless? is that how you are spinning it?
 

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I would take a QB like Daniel Jones on a rookie contract in this offense.

Catch previously made an excellent point that most quarterbacks in the league go as the team goes. There are very few QBs worth paying big money and Prescott simply isn't one of them.
Daniel Jones! really....he has had two losing seasons so far and hasn't made the team better than before he arrived....he has made zero differnce.....he is bottom 5 QB at this point of his career.
 

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He has mostly played behind a poor offensive line. Not every QB has had the luxury of playing in an offence like the Cowboys since 2016
he has trouble reading the defense. he is not very accurate. he doesn't feel pressure well. he makes a lot of wrong and bad throws....a better surronding cast, would slightly make him better.
 

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If you want 5k+ yards then why not get Jameis Winston? He's cheaper than Dak and, as 2019 showed us, is better at racking up the yardage stats. He might even get to 6k with our offense?
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Winston had 30 interceptions....he couldn't tell the difference between his teammates and the defensive players.....he threw equally to both. literally.
 

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Again, you don't know me. For all you know, I'm sitting on my own beach, soaking sun and posting on a message board.

Do yourself a favor, don't assume things about people. It's rude. Voice your opinion, discuss, always say "IMO" and try to learn about why people have the opinions they do.

I don't expect you to take that advice but you would be doing yourself a favor.
are you on a beach? oh man, can I join you :)
 

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@88sAndHeartbreak the weakness of your ON PACE argument is that Dak beat up on the poor defenses- averaged 475 yards against Atl, Seat, Clev. whereas he only accumulated 266 yards against the Rams.

Also factoring in that he had Tyron and Martin for those game, it's innocuous to try and use ON PACE as anything of use.
but isn't that what you expect? your stats, any QBs stats over time against better defenses is always lower than them playing against weaker defenses. you just stated the obvious, but in someway, wanted Dak to have similar stats against Rams the #1 defense in the league...yet, we forget the fact that the cowboys defense was on an all time historic pace, giving up yards, passing and rushing, and all time historic pace in giving up points.

and people project, all the time. Dalton fans have been projecting all along. are you going to criticize their projections? are you a Dalton Fan?

fact is he would probably not break all time record, unless the defense would cease their all time historic suckiness, which would have forced the offense to continuously have to play catch up since defense could never hold and they pretty much never able to hold in the first 4 or 5 weeks. plus, 3 of those first 5 teams were playoff teams, with two of them having won their playoff games this past weekend. is that hindsight? perhaps, given at the time we didn't know how good those teams were and now we know in fact they were good.
 

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You're missing the point.

It's about how you allocate your cap money in relation to how much your QB can shoulder the load.

Dallas can win with Dak. However, the Cowboys can't win if he hogging up the cap space. He needs exceptional talent around him to be succesful.

In fact, show me the top paid quarterbacks who have won a Super Bowl after they got their huge contract.

Tom Brady got it. He didn't demand huge money. Of course, it helped that his wife makes far more than him, but still.
tom Brady got it only after he already had it. There were points in his career where he was right there at the top of the pay scale, but as he got older and had boatloads of money he was willing to take less relative to other QB's. You can't put a QB working on his first big time contract in that category.

As for your point about allocating cap money, I understand what you are saying, and certainly agree that a team has to weigh all factors and consider how to best build a team within salary cap constraints. And I get that the more a team pays one player, the less there is to go around for others.

But I reject the idea that drafting a QB is the only way to build the most competitive team. The draft capital that would be used on a QB can also be used on building at other positions, and especially if a team has a high enough pick where one of the better QB prospects is available, that pick can be traded for multiple picks. On the other hand, with QB being such a key position, if a team makes a bad draft choice it could do harm for years to come.
 

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He has mostly played behind a poor offensive line. Not every QB has had the luxury of playing in an offence like the Cowboys since 2016
What did the Cowboy offensive line look like this year? Dak ended up with only 1,087 fewer yards and 2 fewer TD passes than ones despite playing in 9 fewer games, and his passer rater was 19 points higher and his QBR was 18 points higher.
 

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I think the odds of drafting a solid QB have never been higher because of the changes to the league since about 2016.
its easy to treat things in a vacuum. As an NFL owner, sure you could keep drafting young QBs until you hit on one. But that also means churning through several head coaches. If it doesn't pan out, you start to build a losing culture.

In madden, its an excellent strategy. A head coach and/or GM knows they'll be married to the success of their rookie QB that they draft. As long as there is stability at the QB position, you can build around that player. $ aside and cap hits, no head coach wants to be tied to a rookie QB, especially if it isn't a generational talent or a can't miss prospect. I see you view things as from an owner's standpoint, but its not as easy to accomplish: churning through rookie QBs.
 

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was Foles Elite? or did he just play at a high level for a few games?
Was Manning Elite with Denver?
Was Flacco Elite?

you need good, high level QB play. you don't need elite. in Fact Rodgers whom everyone refers to as elite hasn't been to the superbowl since 2011. Same with Rothlisberger, Same with Brees. all of whom everyone talks about being elite...

You're actually making a good argument for NOT signing Dak.Just sign a reasonably good QB for a modest salary?
 

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What did the Cowboy offensive line look like this year? Dak ended up with only 1,087 fewer yards and 2 fewer TD passes than ones despite playing in 9 fewer games, and his passer rater was 19 points higher and his QBR was 18 points higher.
And he was horrible in the first half while the games were still competitive.

Don't bore us with stats built when he was down 41-14 to the Browns.
 

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its easy to treat things in a vacuum. As an NFL owner, sure you could keep drafting young QBs until you hit on one. But that also means churning through several head coaches. If it doesn't pan out, you start to build a losing culture.

In madden, its an excellent strategy. A head coach and/or GM knows they'll be married to the success of their rookie QB that they draft. As long as there is stability at the QB position, you can build around that player. $ aside and cap hits, no head coach wants to be tied to a rookie QB, especially if it isn't a generational talent or a can't miss prospect. I see you view things as from an owner's standpoint, but its not as easy to accomplish: churning through rookie QBs.

We already have a losing culture, and new head coaches don't like to inherit the previous regimes problems either. Dak is a good QB but you can't rebuild the defense with him making 20-25% of the salary cap. I'd rather do what Tampa did this year and bring in a successful QB at the end of their career and take a shot. Worked for Denver.
 
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