Cowboys should non exclusive tag Dak

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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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I agree, but I don't think that will happen.
 
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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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I think you should change your handle name. :cool:o_O:D
 

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Steve007 said:
I think you are right about Jerry, he doesn't want to pay him what he is asking. (yet). He is proud that he got Dak in the forth round and he wants everyone to know how smart he is. A lot of the great quarterbacks would renegotiate so the team could get talent around him. Dak took a hard stand on his contract and maybe Jerry is apprehensive about paying that kind of money to a quarterback that wont be flexible in the future. I do think Jerry will cave and pay Dak.
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It does take two to tango. Dak’s agent really wants to nail this deal. Hopefully Dak won’t get to greedy and settle for less. The reality is, it’s a long offseason and Dak contract can take us all the was up to training camp.
 
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logic dictates he'll be signed for 38-39 million a year for 4 years. large guarantee. then they'll have to manipulate the cap the best they can. it's not insurmountable. everyone knows what the other wants at this point. by doing so, he will cost far less next year than if he's just tagged.
 
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Steve007 said:
I think you are right about Jerry, he doesn't want to pay him what he is asking. (yet). He is proud that he got Dak in the forth round and he wants everyone to know how smart he is. A lot of the great quarterbacks would renegotiate so the team could get talent around him. Dak took a hard stand on his contract and maybe Jerry is apprehensive about paying that kind of money to a quarterback that wont be flexible in the future. I do think Jerry will cave and pay Dak.
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I don't think it was Prescott that was unwilling to to cooperate, but that he put to much faith in France. He finally decided that France wasn't getting it done when in the last hour or so on July 15th to get a long term contract done that Prescott was doing his own negotiating and they agreed on a 35 mil a year salary but couldn't get the length or guaranteed amount worked out before the deadline.
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I think the Dallas FO will feel obliged to lock up Dak for whatever number of years Dak would likely agree to. The amount of doing so is anyone's guess but I suspect it will be more than what many of us will be likely to celebrate. We'll should have enough draft picks to serve us well if things fall right for us. Hopefully, it should prove helpful to our defense.
 
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cern said:
logic dictates he'll be signed for 38-39 million a year for 4 years. large guarantee. then they'll have to manipulate the cap the best they can. it's not insurmountable. everyone knows what the other wants at this point. by doing so, he will cost far less next year than if he's just tagged.
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Last summer when the length of contract sticking point was being discussed I tried to find a fairly recent example of a QB who, after signing a new contract was under contract for four years. I could not find any. I found examples of QB's who signed 4 year extensions but were still under contract for 5+ years as they still had year(s) remaining on their existing contract.

The money you suggest seems logical but the 4 years doesn't as it seems unprecedented. That extra year would obviously help in managing the cap.
 
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Last summer when the length of contract sticking point was being discussed I tried to find a fairly recent example of a QB who, after signing a new contract was under contract for four years. I could not find any. I found examples of QB's who signed 4 year extensions but were still under contract for 5+ years as they still had year(s) remaining on their existing contract.

The money you suggest seems logical but the 4 years doesn't as it seems unprecedented. That extra year would obviously help in managing the cap.
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deshaun watson? at any rate, last year is history. it is to everyone's benefit to get the deal done asap then move on to free agency and the draft. next year could be a struggle cap wise, but then we will be able to get rid of zeke and cooper without cap hits. we just have to suck it up this next season. jmo.
 

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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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As a person that likes Dak as QB1 for the 'Boys and think he is a really good QB that can OBVIOUSLY get better, I so wanted them to do that LAST year. Just a much more sound business approach. BOTH PARTIES would've found out what the actual market was for him. But, Jerry and Stephen ALWAYS seem to be negotiating against themselves...probably because they keep thinking they're smarter than they really are.
 
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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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totally agree

the funny thing is that even most fans on CZ were saying that we should use the non exclusive tag but the FO in its infinite stupidity didn’t do it
 
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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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100% agree..

Dak has shown that if you keep giving him leverage he will take advantage of it.

He’s not interested in a deal that helps Dallas.. That his choice.. Now Dallas needs to finally flex some muscle in these negotiations and stop playing nice.

Almost all of our deals suck and this will be another deal to throw on the pile of bad deals if they give him what he wants.
 
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The question is how will that be received? I think that's what stopped them from doing that last year.

This is like telling your wife if she can find another man, go ahead. Think she won't be motivated to find one?

I think, from a QB's point of view, there is a world of difference in the exclusivity of the tag. One says "we love you" and the other says "we like you". QB's want to be loved.
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You would think after a year of this people would understand this by now..I guess not

Not to mention, how much money the player would lose and the affect that would have long term..

People don't think these things through..
 
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cern said:
deshaun watson? at any rate, last year is history. it is to everyone's benefit to get the deal done asap then move on to free agency and the draft. next year could be a struggle cap wise, but then we will be able to get rid of zeke and cooper without cap hits. we just have to suck it up this next season. jmo.
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Watson signed his 4 year contract in the final year of his rookie contract with an option year possibly tacked on. He is currently under contract through 2025.

Last year may be history but it is also history that teams haven't given QB's 4 year contracts without the benefit of time remaining on their current contract to help with the cap. It would be unprecedented and so I question whether logic dictates the Cowboys will break the precedent.

Given the reason that Dak was sticking to the 4 year condition it seems that logic would dictate he would want a 3 year contract now. That new TV contract money is now 3 years away and not 4 like it was last year.

Logic certainly doesn't always dictate reality but if we're being logical.....
 
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DakPresgoat said:
I call BS. Teams have given up first rounders for Sam freaking Bradford.

teams give multiple firsts and other premium picks to trade up and draft QB’s who have never played in the NFL. They do it all the time.


There’s no reason to believe there wouldn’t be teams willing to trade picks for Dak. Maybe not 2. But to say definitively no team would even give up a 1? There is no factual basis to state that.
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They got you man, you got sucked into the Dak hate Vortex.
 

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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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His value on the open market is significantly higher than his value to us. That would be a dumb move
 

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I disagree, every team wants their QB to be the leader. That was the failing of many QB's with more arm talent than Prescott. Cutler and George had as good an arm as the NFL has seen but between the ears where leadership lies, not enough.
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what does having an arm have to do with it? Once again you fail.
 
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DakPresgoat said:
I think one of the things the cowboys should do. If they don’t extend Prescott before the tag deadline, is make sure they use the non exclusive tag on Dak


Last year I think using the exclusive tag on Dak was a tactical mistake.

let other teams negotiate with him. Let him see his value on the open market.

You’re still protected by being able to match any deal he signs with another team, or by receiving 2 first rounders.


I think tactically it makes the most sense to use the non exclusive tag. Worst case scenario you get more information on his value relative to other teams. Which helps them in the negotiation process.
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The problem with this is thinking is that negotiating under the non-exclusive tag is not the same as negotiating on the open market. There are strings attached to negotiating with someone under the non-exclusive franchise tag that don't apply with the open market. In the open market a team doesn't have to negotiate knowing another team has the right to match, and it doesn't have to give up 2 first round draft picks if they sign him.
 
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