News: The reason Cowboys are favorite to win East

McKDaddy · May 18, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Dalton does suck. Its why he has a hard time finding a starting gig and couldnt last year. If you think hes great, have at it. He is backup material.

Well, it could be that last year a lot of teams were stuck with their aging QB's or giving their underperformers one more year. The whole supply \ demand thing. Also, playing in a depleted Cincy those last few years didn't give folks a clear idea of what they would be getting.
A year with a little talent around him and suitors were lining up for him.
Say it with me "Solid mid-level starter". I've been in contact with Rosetta Stone. They are working up a product to help you. Stick with me. I've got your back.

CowboyRoy · May 18, 2021

McKDaddy said:
Well, it could be that last year a lot of teams were stuck with their aging QB's or giving their underperformers one more year. The whole supply \ demand thing. Also, playing in a depleted Cincy those last few years didn't give folks a clear idea of what they would be getting.
A year with a little talent around him and suitors were lining up for him.
Say it with me "Solid mid-level starter". I've been in contact with Rosetta Stone. They are working up a product to help you. Stick with me. I've got your back.

If you think Dalton is a great starter, Im happy for you. I think he sucks.

I really like him as a backup, but as a starter he is bottom of the barrel. Its why he couldnt get a starting job last year and was the last QB to get offered a job this year to start. And as it turns out, even the team that signed him doesnt like him. Moved up to draft Fields.

McKDaddy · May 18, 2021

Diehardblues said:
The bigger question in this Dalton/Dak debate is would the Cowboys still be picked to win the division if Dalton was starting instead of Dak? @McKDaddy

Well Hello Diehard. To be as concise as possible, I'll use bullet points.

They are both mid level starters in my opinion. Neither of them give me confidence if they have to carry the team but with talent around them they will get you similar results.
I don't see the Cowboys as favorites to win division. The Football Team is better positioned and with solid QB play could be a very dangerous team.
CowboyRoy was calling Dalton garbage and saying he sucked. I simply tried to get him to acknowledge the man's factual history & acknowledge him as a competent mid level starter. He ignores all evidence that is contrary to his opinion even though I think he knows he has overstated his opinion but doesn't want to backtrack.
Our discussion has been about Dalton not Dak. Item 1 states my opinion of both. So, I'm not a Dak troll unless a Dak troll is anyone who doesn't think he's a top tier QB. If so, then I am a troll til he proves otherwise.

CowboyRoy · May 18, 2021

McKDaddy said:
Well, it could be that last year a lot of teams were stuck with their aging QB's or giving their underperformers one more year. The whole supply \ demand thing. Also, playing in a depleted Cincy those last few years didn't give folks a clear idea of what they would be getting.
A year with a little talent around him and suitors were lining up for him.
Say it with me "Solid mid-level starter". I've been in contact with Rosetta Stone. They are working up a product to help you. Stick with me. I've got your back.

PFF Quarterback Rankings: All 32 starters ahead of the 2021 NFL season | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

Good luck trying to find Dalton. The timing of these rankings is hilarious. :lmao:

McKDaddy · May 18, 2021

Good luck trying to find Dalton. The timing of these rankings is hilarious. :lmao:

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Click bait. Fields at 25. That alone tells you the "real starter" is ranked much higher. Like mid level. Exactly what I said. :lmao2:

Besides it has nothing to do with our conversation. Every time you try to change the goal posts, I chalk up another win. Your previous statements testify against you to all who bear witness.
But brother, I have the good news. The truth will set you free. Speak the truth Roy and feel your burden of shame lifted!!

Diehardblues · May 18, 2021

McKDaddy said:
Well Hello Diehard. To be as concise as possible, I'll use bullet points.

They are both mid level starters in my opinion. Neither of them give me confidence if they have to carry the team but with talent around them they will get you similar results.

I don't see the Cowboys as favorites to win division. The Football Team is better positioned and with solid QB play could be a very dangerous team.

CowboyRoy was calling Dalton garbage and saying he sucked. I simply tried to get him to acknowledge the man's factual history & acknowledge him as a competent mid level starter. He ignores all evidence that is contrary to his opinion even though I think he knows he has overstated his opinion but doesn't want to backtrack.

Our discussion has been about Dalton not Dak. Item 1 states my opinion of both. So, I'm not a Dak troll unless a Dak troll is anyone who doesn't think he's a top tier QB. If so, then I am a troll til he proves otherwise.

You appear to be speaking of Dalton as if he’s still in the prime of his career which he was a mid level starter. Was is the key word here.

And Dak by most experts, analysis and statistics would place him above middle tier closer to 8th- 12th. A conservative statement.

So, I think one could present a strong argument that Dak now entering his prime is a notch above Dalton who’s passed his prime.

I can’t imagine any Cowboy fan who’d argue otherwise. If they did I’d seriously question their Cowboys fandom and wonder if they weren’t trolling this board which at least you admit to possibility of.

I’d challenge anyone to find any expert analysis or link to support an opinion that Dalton provides the same level of opportunity to win our division as Dak does.

Diehardblues · May 18, 2021

I’ll make this challenge to anyone.

I’d challenge anyone to find any expert analysis or link to support an opinion that Dalton provides the same level of opportunity to win our division as Dak does.

McKDaddy · May 18, 2021

Diehardblues said:
You appear to be speaking of Dalton as if he’s still in the prime of his career which he was a mid level starter. Was is the key word here.

And Dak by most experts, analysis and statistics would place him above middle tier closer to 8th- 12th. A conservative statement.

So, I think one could present a strong argument that Dak now entering his prime is a notch above Dalton who’s passed his prime.

I can’t imagine any Cowboy fan who’d argue otherwise. If they did I’d seriously question their Cowboys fandom and wonder if they weren’t trolling this board which at least you admit to possibility of.

I’d challenge anyone to find any expert analysis or link to support an opinion that Dalton provides the same level of opportunity to win our division as Dak does.

Your statements are reasonable and very much in the "even though we may not agree exactly" I can view it as differences of opinion but within the realm of validity.

Dalton is garbage and played like garbage last year simply isn't a valid take. I thought CowboyRoy would take a moment of reflection and admit he was being unfair in his assessment.

I don't believe any QB's are equal. Therefore, I group them in buckets of "similar". As far as Dak & Andy are concerned, if you gave them both the same team & schedule an ran a "simulation" three times, I imagine the results would be mixed. I could see it being too close to call or either having slightly better results. But not enough to really change the teams fortunes. I mean we had a mini simulation last year. I doubt Dak's results over the games Andy played in are any better. Maybe they win different games but overall wins are similar. Even if Dak did edge out an extra win, could you definitively say it was difference in talent? Wouldn't his time in the system & familiarity with organization & players, give him an advantage? For me, neither was going to overcome all the other issues. Dak does some things better. Andy does some things better. They are similar over their careers. If Dak does indeed continue to improve, then yes that would change the discussion.

Side note, I specifically said I wasn't trolling unless trolling was being defined in a very specific way.

Diehardblues · May 18, 2021

McKDaddy said:
Your statements are reasonable and very much in the "even though we may not agree exactly" I can view it as differences of opinion but within the realm of validity.

Dalton is garbage and played like garbage last year simply isn't a valid take. I thought CowboyRoy would take a moment of reflection and admit he was being unfair in his assessment.

I don't believe any QB's are equal. Therefore, I group them in buckets of "similar". As far as Dak & Andy are concerned, if you gave them both the same team & schedule an ran a "simulation" three times, I imagine the results would be mixed. I could see it being too close to call or either having slightly better results. But not enough to really change the teams fortunes. I mean we had a mini simulation last year. I doubt Dak's results over the games Andy played in are any better. Maybe they win different games but overall wins are similar. Even if Dak did edge out an extra win, could you definitively say it was difference in talent? Wouldn't his time in the system & familiarity with organization & players, give him an advantage? For me, neither was going to overcome all the other issues. Dak does some things better. Andy does some things better. They are similar over their careers. If Dak does indeed continue to improve, then yes that would change the discussion.

Side note, I specifically said I wasn't trolling unless trolling was being defined in a very specific way.

I’m much more diplomatic and take a friendlier approach than Roy. Normally I wouldn’t butt in to his thrashing of fans but this is my thread and I why I interjected.

You’ve offered nothing that discounts my initial suspicion. And who you have chosen “ Pappy” as the only fan you follow solidifies it.

I don’t waste my time with anonymous Trolls.

McKDaddy · May 19, 2021

Diehardblues said:
I’m much more diplomatic and take a friendlier approach than Roy. Normally I wouldn’t butt in to his thrashing of fans but this is my thread and I why I interjected.

You’ve offered nothing that discounts my initial suspicion. And who you have chosen “ Pappy” as the only fan you follow solidifies it.

I don’t waste my time with anonymous Trolls.

I simply advocate for a fair assessment of a player and get labeled a troll ???

Seems like a big time stretch of the definition. "a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet."

I didn't even know anyone was selected under the "follow" option. Never do anything but come on and interact within the forums. No private conversations, ignoring or following, etc.. Maybe he amused me one day.

Diehardblues · May 19, 2021

McKDaddy said:
I simply advocate for a fair assessment of a player and get labeled a troll ???

Seems like a big time stretch of the definition. "a troll is a person who starts flame wars or intentionally upsets people on the Internet."

I didn't even know anyone was selected under the "follow" option. Never do anything but come on and interact within the forums. No private conversations, ignoring or following, etc.. Maybe he amused me one day.

Troll like behavior on a Cowboys forum would include those fans intentionally bashing or discrediting our starting QB.

Unless of course your not a Cowboy fan then I’d reevaluate my stance. We have so many on this forum who pose as Cowboy fans. And you don’t necessarily have to be a Troll to have trolling tendencies which I’d define as anyone going against the norm to incite a response .

I asked you to provide any links or expert analysis that would support your opinions that Dalton and Dak are equal or similar values and talent at this time as you presented . You came up empty handed. This forum certainly allows you to provide your opinion but when it comes off as trolling Cowboy fans , it’s going to be called out with no documentation to support.

jsb357 · May 19, 2021

The East is the least?

DenCWBY · May 19, 2021

Risen Star said:
The Commanders are the favorites.

By all means they should be. Their HC, their defense. They are only going to get better.
If you listen to the DC pomp squad in the room, the team name change was the only reason they won the division last year :facepalm:

. I think they have another thing coming. :muttley:

jay94 · May 20, 2021

BourbonBalz said:
Actually they’re not. YOU might think so, but the so-called experts and betting lines say otherwise.

Every year we have an artificially high win rate prediction. Why you clamor on to the so called experts with their predictions? These experts know that the delusional Cowboy homers will be the over each year.

Flamma · May 20, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Dalton does suck. Its why he has a hard time finding a starting gig and couldnt last year. If you think hes great, have at it. He is backup material.

Kind of hard to judge. I think Dalton is past his prime. But it would have been nice to see what he could have done with our starting tackles. That's a rough situation for any QB. Ask Mahomes. He looked like dog crap too without his.

BourbonBalz · May 20, 2021

jay94 said:
Every year we have an artificially high win rate prediction. Why you clamor on to the so called experts with their predictions? These experts know that the delusional Cowboy homers will be the over each year.

I guess we should listen to football bennies such as yourself. After all, you seem to be all knowing. :clap:

CowboysFaninHouston · May 20, 2021

McKDaddy said:
Click bait. Fields at 25. That alone tells you the "real starter" is ranked much higher. Like mid level. Exactly what I said.

Besides it has nothing to do with our conversation. Every time you try to change the goal posts, I chalk up another win. Your previous statements testify against you to all who bear witness.
But brother, I have the good news. The truth will set you free. Speak the truth Roy and feel your burden of shame lifted!!

If you think Dalton is a mid level starter, then you must be a troll. so in that list of PFF, who would you rank Dalton. no, lets do even better. you said he is mid level, give us your ranking of the QBs, lets see who you put below Dalton....you sure talk a lot about him, so back it up, else you are nothing but a troll

CowboysFaninHouston · May 20, 2021

Flamma said:
Kind of hard to judge. I think Dalton is past his prime. But it would have been nice to see what he could have done with our starting tackles. That's a rough situation for any QB. Ask Mahomes. He looked like dog crap too without his.

not much different. results would be similar. if you are going to say how would he do with our starting Tackles, then lets say the game against SF, they didn't have the injuries they did. would the result be the same? lets say cinci wasn't playing their 3rd string QB. would the results be the same....you can't just put our injured players back and say, let me see the results, it goes for both.

Dalton showed who he is in the last game of the season, playing against a decent defense he couldn't hit the side of the barn in the first half and then threw a stupid, stupid stupid pass in the end, between 4 or 5 defenders and didn't give himself and the offense another chance to score...and he is a supposed veteran.

NotForLong · May 20, 2021

Diehardblues said:
It’s been pretty much confirmed that the NFC East is a dumpster fire. When a team wins the division with a 7-9 record as Washington did in 2020, that’s about as weak as it comes. The hope is that the 2021 season will be a little more competitive; the fact that the Dallas Cowboys were competitive until the final weeks after playing four different quarterbacks is a clear signal that the East is no longer a Beast. The Least is more accurate.

Still, someone has to win it, and with that win comes a playoff berth. The early favorites for the 2021 NFC East title are the Cowboys. That certainly will bring much skepticism and scoffing from different parts of the fanbase, and the media. But the fact remains that the betting houses favor the Cowboys.

Again, someone has to win it. And the Cowboys should be the favorites for one simple reason. Dak Prescott. The Cowboys clearly have the best quarterback in the division and it’s really not that close.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...he-favorites-in-the-nfc-east?ref=SiteHype.com

Because of the same reason The Cowboys are Playing Tampa 1st game. . . its all entertainment

Flamma · May 20, 2021

CowboysFaninHouston said:
not much different. results would be similar. if you are going to say how would he do with our starting Tackles, then lets say the game against SF, they didn't have the injuries they did. would the result be the same? lets say cinci wasn't playing their 3rd string QB. would the results be the same....you can't just put our injured players back and say, let me see the results, it goes for both.

Dalton showed who he is in the last game of the season, playing against a decent defense he couldn't hit the side of the barn in the first half and then threw a stupid, stupid stupid pass in the end, between 4 or 5 defenders and didn't give himself and the offense another chance to score...and he is a supposed veteran.

Look, I'm not going to pretend Dalton is a starting QB in the NFL today. He's not. Either was Nick Foles. And to be honest, he wasn't in 2017 either. That's why he was a backup.

Give some of these QBs the proper support, they can do better. My problem is people far too often think it's all on the QB. It's not. You're always going to need a supporting cast. A really good supporting cast can elevate bum QBs like Nick Foles to a SB. The worst thing for any QB is a line that can't protect them.

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