Uneasy feeling about coaching?

ConstantReboot said:

I just think that both Dan Quinn and Kellen Moore are better suited as coordinators rather than head coaches. Just my opinion.

Dan Quinn was a failure in Atlanta.

Kellen Moore has never coached before. He doesn't seem like he would want to based on his demeanor.

If Jerry opens up his wallet and pays these two head coaching money it will make it hard for them to leave to go somewhere else.

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Clove said:

So let me get this straight... We've put up with 10 years of the worst coaching in Cowboys history next to Dave Campo, and now we STILL have a problem with the new coach after ONE, (1) year? Our fans don't deserve success, we're always looking for the next best thing and end up with nothing.

How about, he just wanted to be conservative there? Is that okay or do all of you want to coach?

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CouchCoach said:

And you could be right but I've yet to see any of these HC's get that job and fail and be OK with that. They want to get back on that horse. They want it to end on their terms, don't we all want that?

As far as the money, HC gigs are going for 5-6M and the most a coordinator is getting is around 3 from the little info I can gather on that.

For Moore, I think he'd take the jump because when the window is open it's hard not to take it on. He went into the profession to go as far as he can. That said, the job has got to be lined up well with a chance to succeed present. Some of these HC swinging door jobs are to be avoided.

I have no idea about where Quinn's head is at. He did some self-evaluation on his skills and his system and he might be happy as the DC for awhile. Then again, a man gets fired he gets testy and wants to prove himself and he might just be in that frame of mind.

If Norv Turner can land that many jobs and actually walk off the job and get another job, the recycling of coaches is a gross understatement.

I do think Quinn has the best job in the organization and the most freedom. The Joneses are ignorant to the D side and really don't want to know because they're follow the ball people. If there is any autonomy in that organization, got to be at the DC job.

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CouchCoach said:

You are missing the point, this is not about McC as much as how much do you value the other two as HC's, if they have the opportunity to leave. Of the 3 coaches, which is the hardest to replace?

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Diehardblues said:

I suspect these coordinators look much more attractive than they would here as a HC dealing with the same crap and dysfunctional bs the rest have dealt with.

Unless the phone isn’t ringing can’t imagine why they’d stay here.

And it’s a little early to be crowning them all. We just beat who was expected to finish last in the worst division. Lol

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CouchCoach said:

That's the best you can do? Credentials for NFL coaching?

I guess your assumption is that all people with those credentials are correct and all of those without them are incorrect?

Stop questioning his decision because he's been doing it for 20 years? How long has Booger been trying to GM?

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blueblood70 said:

Yes yes that how you judge professional how long they have experience in their field vs the idiot fibs who arch and believe they can do better..i said he had his reasons right or wrong he is the boss with yes 20-30 years actually coaching teams and won superbowls you know the height of ones profecssion meaning he’s Ben part of not just a few teams , he’s coached winning teams..

Jerry is great owner average gym but we aren’t talking about him w are talking. McCarthy a super bowl caliber head coach, not the water boy not an assistant, not an OC or DC the actual coach of Super Bowl team..

This in fact makes him know more then us and if he had good reason to buck the common trend of calling a TO thlast night I’ll trust it was the correct decision in a game as it turns out we won by what 20? Should or could have Ben 40 had dak not coughed uo a free 7 and our defense allowing that garbage td at the en d or the refs taking away daks td..

So yes mighty know it all apt named himself a coach LMAO. That the issue you are NOT, MM IS and ill take his word over yours..next

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CouchCoach said:

I am going to study this comeback. If I can figure it out, I will get back to you.

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Diehardblues said:

Quinn definitely looks more like the next HC than Moore.

But the reality is they both are rehearsing for their next HC position. In Moore’s case it will be his first. And more success we have the more their phones are going to be ringing.

I’d suspect both would rather take that call than hang around.

The conundrum here is we thought one would be the next HC here in the event McCarthy was fired. But it’s not looking like he will be fired as it would be almost impossible to not make the playoffs in this division which appears to be even worse than most thought.

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DuncanIso said:

Clock mgmt has been bad.

especially the play clock.

Dak is leaving too much time after the snap.

The more time we use, the less time the D is on the field.

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CouchCoach said:

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just too kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

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CouchCoach said:

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just too kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

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• McCarthy- if the Cowboys win at least a divisional playoff game and advance to the NFC championship, I think Big Mac remains. Anything short of that, he could be gone, especially if Moore and Quinn are still hot commodities.
  
• Quinn- If Big Mac falters and the D continues its upward swing, the Mighty Quinn could be the man. He meets the criteria of being a guy who doesn’t seem to crave the spotlight.
• Moore- if Big Mac doesn’t get the Cowboys bus to the NFC championship or better, I see Kellen Moore being more of Jerry’s man. JJ loves him some offense and Moore may be seen very soon as the next Sean McVay. Between Quinn and Moore, I see JJ preferring Moore. He could always brag that he developed him.

Diehardblues said:

Quinn definitely looks more like the next HC than Moore.

But the reality is they both are rehearsing for their next HC position. In Moore’s case it will be his first. And more success we have the more their phones are going to be ringing.

I’d suspect both would rather take that call than hang around.

The conundrum here is we thought one would be the next HC here in the event McCarthy was fired. But it’s not looking like he will be fired as it would be almost impossible to not make the playoffs in this division which appears to be even worse than most thought.

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75boyz said:

I agree with this.
I also agree with pretty much everything in CouchCoach's OP.
But overall I think Moore was and continues to be Jerry's hand picked coach to prove to the world that Jerry is indeed a Football Man.

That Jerry ego.
Moore represents Jerry's redemption plan after failing with Garrett the first time.

jmo

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Doomsday said:

My biggest concern is Moore keeps trying to get cute when they are moving the ball at will and get in scoring range.

He has a tendency to get away from the main offense and throw in stupid plays that almost always end up in negative yards.

Yesterday it was the reverse, last week it was the 3 offensive linemen near the ball and 2 split out wide. Seems like an ongoing trend for the 3 years for him. They are running and passing it at will, stop putting in this crap and stick with what is working.

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Diehardblues said:

Most likely we won’t end up with the better coordinators. Hopefully while they’re here will help us to the promise land or at least closer than we’ve been this era.

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CouchCoach said:

Yet another mismanagement of the clock at the end of the half to go with last week at the end of the game and then there's last season. Anyone besides me wondering why none of those GB players seemed to be unhappy about McC getting canned? And he didn't get offers from other teams after 13 years as a HC?

But here is my uneasy feeling, the future. Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn are getting more light on them weekly and we know there will be 5-8 coaching changes this off season. One or worse, both of these coaches could be gone.

We know the owner/GM's criteria begins with his comfort level with a HC as he has admitted. A HC has to know his place in the organization and that is not in front of the GM when the cameras are rolling. McC knows that very well as his predecessor did.

Does the mistake of letting Sean Payton get away haunt the GM? Did he learn anything from that? It is always about the best HC for the future of the team.

I have seen enough in 3 games and an off season to form an opinion that Dan Quinn would be a better HC. This guy is all about making "next man up" more than a catch phrase. Are these backups great? No But do they play his concept of team defense? Yes. Definitely shades of that swarming D in 92/93 and I bet Johnson was smiling a lot at what he saw last night.

The story they told last night was that Quinn told the Joneses exactly what they had to do to "start" to fix the defense at all 3 levels. And they did just that. He didn't tell them players, just the types of players at the positions. With the exception of Parsons, who is at the top of the board with Quinn's influence and his recognition that Parsons could be his Bobby Wagner. Early on, he used Wagner a lot like he's using Parsons until he finally settled into that MLB role when they had the pieces around him.

Yes, it is early and yes, the team looks better than anticipated but it is just at these times crucial decisions about the future should be made. McC hired Nolan, the Joneses hired Quinn and then followed his advice about acquisitions in FA and the draft unlike I've ever seen with any new hire coach.

Maybe I am reading something into this but has he become The Mighty Quinn in their eyes and they do not want to let him get away? Could they do something out of character and fire a HC that takes them to the East crown in order to retain a better HC? I do not think paying him more gets him to stay, Quinn is on a quest.

Well, McC surely didn't do himself any favors at the end of the half and I see a lot of close games coming and I'd bet one of those poor decisions is going to cost the Cowboys a game. I believe it did last year.

BTW, did you see the QB throwing some love to the DC on that post game interview? Think Quinn might be winning over more than defensive players? He's always had that rep as a players' coach.

I do not want to lose him and McC? Yeah, I can get over him leaving quickly.

The dominoes falling are just too kismet to ignore. Hire McC, he hires Nolan, Quinn gets fired, Joneses fire Nolan, Joneses hire Quinn.........Joneses fire McC and promote Quinn?

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