Tony Pollard = Alvin Harper

DenCWBY · Dec 9, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
jerry is definitely influencing starting zeke. Coaches see what we see.

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 9, 2021

Blackthorn said:
You may be correct however, I have a different take. I think his skill-set can be utilized by all NFL team. He is great at being the check down receiver and at screens. He also has great awareness of where the sticks are and his own ability. I don’t think he would be a 1,400 yard elite RB but I think he can contribute significantly for most teams. He can be elite in a committee system.

He seems like a good dude.

Go Dallas!!!

I think that us exactly what he said.

DFWJC · Dec 9, 2021

quickccc said:
KC Chiefs CB Chavarous Ward is somewhere further down the line on that "Missed out " list too.
I'd much rather have had him than Anthony Brown, but we tried to sneak Ward to our PS, or some NFL pouched him off our PS,
But he's been a terrific starter for Chiefs, rarely do i see him getting beat deep.

Good one.
I think a long time ago we let go a really good long-term backup QB in the same manner.

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 9, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
jerry is definitely influencing starting zeke. Coaches see what we see.

You're comparing yourself to the coaches. Good lord.....I thought I'd seen everything.

Bobhaze · Dec 9, 2021

Creeper said:
I just think RBs are not that hard to find in the draft.

Exactly. That’s why Zeke needs to be a post June 1 cut next spring, and the Cowboys need to draft a good RB in the middle rounds. The cap space Zeke occupies is way out of whack with what he gives the team. I think the days of Zeke being a full time bell cow are long gone.

31RoyW31 · Dec 9, 2021

Harper was an average WR during the season. A few good games, a lot of average games, and some games he disappeared. However in the playoffs he turned on and was usually a major contributor. Not enough information on Pollard in post season games, but in the regular season I think he has been a better player, but with limited opportunities.

blueblood70 · Dec 9, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
Remember what Alvin harper was to Michael Irvin. A great complimentary WR.
But once he left to be a #1 Wr, I think he went too TB. He could not be the #1 guy.
Now maybe they did not have the surrounding team as Michael had. But he was still productive after Harper left. Harper was not.

This is what I see in Pollard. Very good combo of he and Zeke. And a great tandem when things are working and the OL is blocking.
But I see him to Zeke as Harper was to Irvin.
If Pollard leaves after his deal is up. He may not be able to handle a full time RB position.
He has already shown he can't do it here, not yet anyway. I hope he can, as we need both Tony and Zeke, that is the role he is best at.
I will not say he can't do it elsewhere, as we never will know until we see it, or not see it. But my feeling is, he would not.

I still love the idea of the dual threat, when things are going correctly.
However, Moore needs to get his head out of his butt. Because both of them, and these run up the middle for minimal gain is not working. Come on boy genius, be creative without tricks or gimmicks or being too cute with plays.

we dont need to go that far with comps when we have dozen backup rbs who fans that thought could be starters and never worked out here or anywhere else being that lead back..name me one that left here or once he got the main job did anything special?

the combo can be lethal but pollard IMO and maybe im wrong will miss more and more games and his average will suffer if you run him 20+ times game plus less big runs..

and now pollards got a serious foot injury can be out 2-3 games...

joseephuss · Dec 9, 2021

Harper may have been the #2 WR for the Cowboys, but he was typically only the 5th option in the passing offense.

I too wish Dallas could have held on to Smith. I liked what I saw of him in limited pre-season appearances. After missing the entire 1993, season, in 1994, they asked him to take a pay cut, he refused, so the Cowboys cut him. It isn't as if he immediately turned around and showed Dallas was wrong. He went to the Eagles, but was cut before the season started. No other team picked him up. He then went to Jacksonville in 1995 and caught 22 passes that year. It was finally in 1996 that he exploded onto the scene.

BHendri5 · Dec 9, 2021

Risen Star said:
We've had enough of your Pollard hate.

I haven’t I hope he keeps it going

The Fonz · Dec 9, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
Not nearly as bad as your Dak hate, we had way too much of that.

Dak is his boy

Whirlwin · Dec 9, 2021

Risen Star said:
We've had enough of your Pollard hate.

I recall someone didn’t like him. Not too long ago

Whirlwin · Dec 9, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
Not nearly as bad as your Dak hate, we had way too much of that.

He forgets that he wasn’t a big fan of Tony initially

CowboyRoy · Dec 9, 2021

Streetwise said:
If Pollard was better, he would be starting and I would be all for it. I couldn't care less. But this notion that Elliott is only starting because of the salary is based on zero evidence. There's more to argue that point.

The numbers are there that Pollard does better when given the ball. Or you could just watch the game. Who gets the first carry of the game means nothing. I guess its just a convenient punch line for Zeke apologists.

It really is a big mystery why Zeke continues to get twice the carries. I guess you dont notice all the opinions, articles, and fans begging for Pollard to be used more.

Are you telling me you are still advocating to run Zeke twice as much as Pollard?

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 9, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
The numbers are there that Pollard does better when given the ball. Or you could just watch the game. Who gets the first carry of the game means nothing. I guess its just a convenient punch line for Zeke apologists.

It really is a big mystery why Zeke continues to get twice the carries. I guess you dont notice all the opinions, articles, and fans begging for Pollard to be used more.

Are you telling me you are still advocating to run Zeke twice as much as Pollard?

Fans are well-known stupids.

ItzKelz · Dec 9, 2021

jazzcat22 said:
Remember what Alvin harper was to Michael Irvin. A great complimentary WR.
But once he left to be a #1 Wr, I think he went too TB. He could not be the #1 guy.
Now maybe they did not have the surrounding team as Michael had. But he was still productive after Harper left. Harper was not.

This is what I see in Pollard. Very good combo of he and Zeke. And a great tandem when things are working and the OL is blocking.
But I see him to Zeke as Harper was to Irvin.
If Pollard leaves after his deal is up. He may not be able to handle a full time RB position.
He has already shown he can't do it here, not yet anyway. I hope he can, as we need both Tony and Zeke, that is the role he is best at.
I will not say he can't do it elsewhere, as we never will know until we see it, or not see it. But my feeling is, he would not.

I still love the idea of the dual threat, when things are going correctly.
However, Moore needs to get his head out of his butt. Because both of them, and these run up the middle for minimal gain is not working. Come on boy genius, be creative without tricks or gimmicks or being too cute with plays.

Zeke is nearing the end of his prime. We love him but it is what it is. Still a solid player player but definitely not the high end player he once was. Dang that rookie year was special!!!!

Cmac · Dec 9, 2021

MyFairLady said:
Uhhhh Pollard may be Harper but Zeke is no Irvin.

......wonder what was said before Zeke had all the carries placed on him over the years, or before he got his money? If he told the team he couldn't go this week, the board would say he quit on the team.

G2 · Dec 9, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
The numbers are there that Pollard does better when given the ball. Or you could just watch the game. Who gets the first carry of the game means nothing. I guess its just a convenient punch line for Zeke apologists.

It really is a big mystery why Zeke continues to get twice the carries. I guess you dont notice all the opinions, articles, and fans begging for Pollard to be used more.

Are you telling me you are still advocating to run Zeke twice as much as Pollard?

Nothing personal, but you can't throw digs in about watching the games and then toss out misinformation about carries. Pollard has 66 less carries. That's not even remotely close to twice the carries. So there's that.
I don't really put much stock in what fans beg for. There are some great football minds here, but most are emotional and irrational casual fans that pick a new player to hate every week and some coach to fire.
Most fans who have a favorite player instead of routing the team on completely ignore the hundreds of times I've posted that I'm a fan of both. The team needs both. They compliment each other. To suggest Pollard is some elite rocket is just smoke. And I'm not propping Elliott up, he's just a more complete RB and it's why he's starting.
I still haven't heard a reasonable argument or any evidence that suggests Elliott is only the starter because of his salary. With and average of less than 6 carries per game, why should Pollard get them all?
I choose to look at different perspectives instead of making up false claims and posting it to fit a agenda. I like the team.

So if fans seriously think that the only reason Elliott is the starter because of salary then Jaylon Smith with his significant salary wouldn't have been cut and he would be starting at some LB spot.

CowboyRoy · Dec 9, 2021

Streetwise said:
Nothing personal, but you can't throw digs in about watching the games and then toss out misinformation about carries. Pollard has 66 less carries. That's not even remotely close to twice the carries. So there's that.
I don't really put much stock in what fans beg for. There are some great football minds here, but most are emotional and irrational casual fans that pick a new player to hate every week and some coach to fire.
Most fans who have a favorite player instead of routing the team on completely ignore the hundreds of times I've posted that I'm a fan of both. The team needs both. They compliment each other. To suggest Pollard is some elite rocket is just smoke. And I'm not propping Elliott up, he's just a more complete RB and it's why he's starting.
I still haven't heard a reasonable argument or any evidence that suggests Elliott is only the starter because of his salary. With and average of less than 6 carries per game, why should Pollard get them all?
I choose to look at different perspectives instead of making up false claims and posting it to fit a agenda. I like the team.

So if fans seriously think that the only reason Elliott is the starter because of salary then Jaylon Smith with his significant salary wouldn't have been cut and he would be starting at some LB spot.

Last game pollard had half the carries. And scored a 60 yards td on only 7 touches.

hows that for misinformation? :thumbup:

And if you think zeke salary and Jerry love doesn’t have a lot to do with how much he plays then you are turning a blind eye.

you also haven’t been paying attention. MM says zeke will rest, then Jerry comes out after and says he will get a full load.

G2 · Dec 9, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Last game pollard had half the carries. And scored a 60 yards td on only 7 touches.

hows that for misinformation?

And if you think zeke salary and Jerry love doesn’t have a lot to do with how much he plays then you are turning a blind eye.

you also haven’t been paying attention. MM says zeke will rest, then Jerry comes out after and says he will get a full load.

You know full well I'm talking about the entire season, not one game. You can't disprove my point, you're basing it all on your personal narrative and speculation.

CowboyRoy · Dec 9, 2021

Streetwise said:
You know full well I'm talking about the entire season, not one game. You can't disprove my point, you're basing it all on your personal narrative and speculation.

That’s not what I’m talking about. There are games where pollard gets half the Carrie’s when zeke can barely run. It’s ridiculous.

if your a big zeke fan that’s up to you. Personally I can wait till his salary and hold on the running game is gone.

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