How do the Rams do it with their cap?

jnday · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….

Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

Not bigger, just managed better.

phildadon86 · Mar 24, 2022

CowboyoWales said:
169 yards and only 23 pts conceded (and no Urban), the defense against the run wasnt the reason we lost, wasnt even in the top 3 reasons.

Im not saying we couldnt use Wagner, but looking at the CAP for the next two years and looking at the needs on the O-Line and WR (need a veteran), I doubt if we have the money for an expensive LB

LOL. Did San Fran score a TD thru the air in that game? Deebo destroyed us on the ground. I dont know how you can say with a straight face they gave up 169 yards on the ground, leave out the rushing TDs and then say stopping the run wasnt even in the top 3 of problems lol.

805BoysInBlue · Mar 24, 2022

Nova said:
100 percent the same

I can never stop being a fan, even if I try.

But holy crap this team doesn’t feel worth my time anymore.

This board is a different story though. Even though it’s Cowboys focused, it is kind of like a separate thing, and I still enjoy posting and reading.

Same here, I used to devote so much time to the Cowboys. Now I just don't have intrest like I used to.

Floatyworm · Mar 24, 2022

thunderpimp91 said:
The rams are in for one long rebuild in just a couple years. They’ve gone all in and if that nets you a Super Bowl it’s worth it. 2024 seems to be when the clock may run out on them. Stafford cap hit goes ballistic, Aaron Donald needs a new deal before then, they have to make a decision on Ramsey for 2024 and cooper kupp becomes an FA that year too. Basically they can either elect for cap hell or lose the talent that is getting them to super bowls. Either way it’ll be a tough spot because they don’t have much draft capital to replace these guys for several years.

This team is going to get old over night....and the party will be over. McVay will be Dick Vermil 2.0....and retire before he's 40 because of burnout. And just like all LA snowflakes....will move on leaving a trail of crap....and will pass it off as someone else's problem.

CowboyoWales · Mar 24, 2022

phildadon86 said:
LOL. Did San Fran score a TD thru the air in that game? Deebo destroyed us on the ground. I dont know how you can say with a straight face they gave up 169 yards on the ground, leave out the rushing TDs and then say stopping the run wasnt even in the top 3 of problems lol.

Penalties, O-Line (unable to set any kind of running game and conceding 5 sacks), Offensive calling (inc inability to run a 2 minute offense x2), clock management.

In 2021 we should of won any game that our defense kept the opposition to 23 pts.

Scottishcowboy · Mar 24, 2022

Furboy said:
Maybe we need Jerry to buy Chelsea as well. Helps when you own big clubs in other countries too apparently.

Chelsea are not a big club......just started winning when the chap who bought them BEFORE Abramovich ploughed money in, he sadly died then the Russian moved in. Chelsea are historically mid tier English team at best but I can see how people abroad will think "big club" because or 15 years of success compared to 100+ years of nothing (not knocking you, just explaining English football)

I guess it also graphically illustrates what cash can do in football but can't do in American football because of the cap stopping spending.

Probably an even better example is PSG in France.....Google them. Basically a diddy team until recently, only actually formed the year before I was born which is 5 mins ago in football terms. However, people around the world think big team because of recent history, especially the younger generation who have no history to reflect on.

Whirlwin · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….

Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

They have football players, great coaches. It’s not so hard to understand. Jerry won’t allow anybody to take credit

VaqueroTD · Mar 24, 2022

Helps when you end up with a top three QB, WR and DT in the league, all probably headed to a HOF induction. We're still trying on all 3.

Big_D · Mar 24, 2022

Are they paying their RB 18.2 million this year? lol

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 24, 2022

Scottishcowboy said:
Chelsea are not a big club......just started winning when the chap who bought them BEFORE Abramovich ploughed money in, he sadly died then the Russian moved in. Chelsea are historically mid tier English team at best but I can see how people abroad will think "big club" because or 15 years of success compared to 100+ years of nothing (not knocking you, just explaining English football)

I guess it also graphically illustrates what cash can do in football but can't do in American football because of the cap stopping spending.

Probably an even better example is PSG in France.....Google them. Basically a diddy team until recently, only actually formed the year before I was born which is 5 mins ago in football terms. However, people around the world think big team because of recent history, especially the younger generation who have no history to reflect on.

Oh I'm fully aware of PSG. Should add that most teams are big compared to the side I support (AFC Bournemouth).

Mobinvans · Mar 24, 2022

CowboyoWales said:
169 yards and only 23 pts conceded (and no Urban), the defense against the run wasnt the reason we lost, wasnt even in the top 3 reasons.

Im not saying we couldnt use Wagner, but looking at the CAP for the next two years and looking at the needs on the O-Line and WR (need a veteran), I doubt if we have the money for an expensive LB

Ok Stephen..

Sydla · Mar 24, 2022

Big_D said:
Are they paying their RB 18.2 million this year? lol

Nope. They realized quickly what a disaster that Gurley deal was and did whatever they could to dump him. The Cowboys had a front row to that screw up and still dropped their pants and gave Elliott the largest contract in NFL history for a running back.

The best part is at the time, people argued that it would be just like QBs. That in a few years, Elliott's contract would look fair and balanced as "inflation" of salaries would result in future TBs getting more.

That was a dud. McCaffery, Kamara and Cook all signed deals after Elliott. All were for less, much less. Well done Stephen and Jerry. Well done.

Blast From The Past · Mar 24, 2022

Cebrin said:
We only win at $ in Jerry's pocket.

You hush now! Jet fuel, helicopter fuel and yacht fuel is high atm so Jerry needs all the moneys he can rake in.

LACowboysFan1 · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….

Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

No their cap isn't bigger. (Of course you know that, I recognize tongue-in-cheek comments).

But that just shows (again) what I and other have said - there is no such thing as "cap hell" in the sense of "we can't pay player $X and still have a competitive team. We hear team such and such is $50 mil over the cap, and still have to sign this player and that player, and it's "woe is they".

Then they restructure, release a player or two and bingo! Their qb or wr or such gets a record contract and most of their other free agents are signed.
The cap is huge, and it's complicated. Not to say a team can't completely screw up things and have cap problems, but that's rare, there are procedures and such that are well known in the league, all teams have the same tools, it's more a matter of what they want to do as far as winning now or winning later.

The success of their draft, especially rounds 3-4-5 that make the difference. Get a Brady in the 6th round, or find a Larry Allen or Darren Woodson or such and all of a sudden your draft evaluator is a genius and SB wins result.

Blaming the cap for your troubles is a cop out....

DandyDon52 · Mar 25, 2022

Sydla said:
Simple philosophy differences. Some teams look at "windows" where they can win and load up to do it. They'll take some pain if they can make a few SB runs. Jerry and Stephen seem to take the approach where they don't go in on a 2-3-4 year run. They operate under the belief just try to be "good" year to year and not be "great" for a short window and eventually luck will kick in and one of those "good" Cowboys teams will make a run.

27 years and they are still waiting............. LOL

jerry has said that if you get into playoffs you have a chance to win a SB ! :lmao2:

Someone needs to tell him there is more to it than that.

Bullflop · Mar 25, 2022

Let's face it -- the C'boys' FO has big trouble dealing with the likes of the agents that represent many of the players they have to deal with. When it comes to negotiating, their skills simply don't hold them in good stead. Good agents are very adept at what they do, while the Dallas FO is anything but wise.

CowboyoWales · Mar 25, 2022

LACowboysFan1 said:
No their cap isn't bigger. (Of course you know that, I recognize tongue-in-cheek comments).

But that just shows (again) what I and other have said - there is no such thing as "cap hell" in the sense of "we can't pay player $X and still have a competitive team. We hear team such and such is $50 mil over the cap, and still have to sign this player and that player, and it's "woe is they".

Then they restructure, release a player or two and bingo! Their qb or wr or such gets a record contract and most of their other free agents are signed.
The cap is huge, and it's complicated. Not to say a team can't completely screw up things and have cap problems, but that's rare, there are procedures and such that are well known in the league, all teams have the same tools, it's more a matter of what they want to do as far as winning now or winning later.

The success of their draft, especially rounds 3-4-5 that make the difference. Get a Brady in the 6th round, or find a Larry Allen or Darren Woodson or such and all of a sudden your draft evaluator is a genius and SB wins result.

Blaming the cap for your troubles is a cop out....

Nope, the CAP matters. It may not be "Hell", but it seriously restricts your chances to a) sign FA (the number of JAGS we've signed rather than the elite Smiths and Millers) and b) retain players (check out Packers and Chiefs WR trades).

Restructuring is a word that's thrown away, but it get's paid at some time.

You can restructure and we did this year:
Martin - sensible,
Dlaw- manageable,
Dak - who we're now paying $21.8m in 2025 to not play for us
Collins - cut

That's given us $24m (well $14m after the draft). Now in isolation that sounds a lot, however, then factor in we still need to bolster the O-line (over and above the draft) and we like to keep some money for in season emergencies.

Now the biggie...our CAP figure for 2023 is standing at $1.1m, so any big signing (like a Za'Darius Smith) would take us in deficit again (remember Coop and Gregory).

2022 is a CAP reset year....(to ease 2023 and ability to build thereafter).

Im glad we took this hard (and difficult) decision, as 2021 was a wake up call that whilst we made pretty significant improvements we couldnt sustain them (with the CAP deficit of $21m going into the season) and a number of top heavy contracts that had been maxed out.

CowboyoWales · Mar 25, 2022

DandyDon52 said:
jerry has said that if you get into playoffs you have a chance to win a SB !
Someone needs to tell him there is more to it than that.

I think Billy Beane made a similar statement years ago.....as about luck in the play-offs. Unfortunately, there's more to winning than just luck, especially when you get to the play-offs by beating just 2 play-off teams in the regular season (and one of those was the Eagles).

kuyyo_morro · Mar 25, 2022

How many can identify this guy

khiladi · Mar 25, 2022

Reezy said:
You guys need to realize with the Rams winning the superbowl in LA Jerry also won. Jerry owns the company that runs the suite for the Rams stadium and the agreement is for over 100 years.

why do you think he picked the rams as favorites to win the superbowl, follow the money. The company is called Legends you guys can look it up. It’s at the point where several teams suites are owned by him so think about his mindset here - he’s winning in his eyes when the Cowboys lose.

exactly… the Legends operates at multiple stadium. Jerry isn’t just the owner of the Cowboys, he’s making bank off other teams. Plus, I believe he’s the only owner that has exclusive rights to his teams merchandise, while others share the revenue. The owners rely on this guy to further the expansion of the league.

People think Goodell can screw over Jerry, it’s almost comical.

How do the Rams do it with their cap?

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