Carl Nicks "Expected to Leave the Saints" - Adam Schefter

Eskimo · Jan 15, 2012

GloryDaysRBack;4378677 said:
Must not be serious at all...nobody else even brings it up

Go read post #27 - it is all spelled out there to the extent of available public knowledge.

marchetta · Jan 15, 2012

burmafrd;4378820 said:
read through the thread; SDogo even put in a link

Thanks. Found it.

Eskimo · Jan 15, 2012

hutch1254;4378743 said:
Take a look at his Bio on the Badgers website. The words injury or due to injury comes up every year except his red shirt season. It will be talked about in April. "He has great talent, great ability but injury is a concern..." will probably be a common phrase coming out of Kipers mouth. And then there's the chest pain thing.

The "chest pain thing" is really the big concern as that can lead to early medical retirement.

Outlaw Heroes · Jan 15, 2012

ufcrules1;4378819 said:
Problem is there is no guarantee that Decastro will be sitting there at #14, another team could take him right before us. We need to go after Nicks and Brandon Carr in a big way in FA.

I would love to do both, if we can. I'd also love to sign a guy like Mathis to give us another pass rush threat. I doubt we can do all of them, so it becomes a question of how best to allocate resources.

There are, of course, no guarantees. But you're more likely to find talent in this draft at CB and G than at OLB. And you're more likely to draft a day one starter at G than at CB. That to me suggests a certain way of allocating and prioritizing FA dollars and draft picks.

ScipioCowboy · Jan 15, 2012

In the history of the Dallas Cowboys and free agency, there might not be a free agent whose acquisition makes more sense for the Cowboys than Carl Nicks.

JBS · Jan 15, 2012

burmafrd;4378817 said:
just admit you were wrong and move on. You are just digging yourself in deeper.

It is a serious situation with a player that young. ANd it could come back at any time.

With out luck it would come back in the first year.

A lot of people wanted us to take Marcus MacNeil; and look what happened with him.

admit im wrong? im not even arguing here..all i asked for was proof and i havent been given it..there is nothing to be right or wrong about..go ahead and show me..

Eskimo · Jan 15, 2012

GloryDaysRBack;4378842 said:
admit im wrong? im not even arguing here..all i asked for was proof and i havent been given it..there is nothing to be right or wrong about..go ahead and show me..

Please explain to me what is unclear after reading post #27.

I'll try to clarify any points of confusion.

ufcrules1 · Jan 15, 2012

Eskimo;4378821 said:
The biggest problem is the defense.

The biggest problem on the defense is the secondary.

The biggest problem in the secondary is the CBs.

We have one good CB (Jenkins) who was hurt most of the season, needed offseason shoulder surgery and is a UFA next year. He also has a history of being a bit of a knucklehead who has had a questionable work ethic at times. The big question is do you re-sign him given those issues.

We have an old CB (Tnew) with a big salary who is about to be released.

We have a young CB with terrible ball skills (OScan) and has 4 years left on his deal at possibly an overinflated salary that may lead to him being released in 2 years.

We have no young or emerging players. The only other CB we have is basically a spot player on defense and a ST contributor (Ball) who has likely hit his ceiling as a player.

I can easily see none of these players being on our roster by 2013.

CB is a gigantic, gaping hole on this team right now with both low quality and lack of players under contract. I was shocked that we released Josh Thomas only to keep McCray and bring in Frank Walker (short-term thinking) a week later - that was a bad FO decision where they did not properly understand their roster needs. McCray could have been easily re-signed later as he is a pure ST guy with very little upside in the base defense.

I will be shocked if we don't draft two this year with both making the roster. I will also be very surprised if one of those guys isn't picked by the 3rd round but preferably one should be picked in the first two rounds as we need a starter for next year unless we pay big money in FA for one.

This is why I am shocked with people on this forum who seem to want FO to pay Robinson a premium salary in FA if some team tries to outbid us. It is also why I am shocked that many people want to spend all of our available rersources on the offense which was already pretty good and whose main weakness in the OL will likely improve just from player development from the young guys we signed last year. We should only seek to bring in one high cost player to the interior via FA or 1st round pick - we cannot afford to do both right now and if we did it would be a sign of poor utilization of available resources.

This secondary must be dramatically improved for us to compete with other teams in the league.

I usually disagree with you on this forum but this post was pretty spot on. Nice! Except I really want to keep Robinson here. I'm hoping we can get him for a discounted rate though since he really wants to stay here in Dallas. Also, Romo and Robinson really click well. Robinson played his butt off for us this year. I would also like to see us trade Felix for a solid defensive player.

burmafrd · Jan 15, 2012

GloryDaysRBack;4378842 said:
admit im wrong? im not even arguing here..all i asked for was proof and i havent been given it..there is nothing to be right or wrong about..go ahead and show me..

none so blind as will not see

UVAwahoos · Jan 15, 2012

WoodysGirl;4378807 said:
espn_macmahon Tim MacMahon
Should be Cowboys' top target RT @greggrosenthal: Report: Carl Nicks "expected to leave" New Orleans in free agency ******/zKNSuY

SportsSturm Bob Sturm @
@espn_macmahon I like him, but if yesterday didn't dampen your ambition, then watch that game again and lock on Nicks.

Was curious about this too. The niners have an excellent d-line, but so do the giants, and we see them twice every year. I haven't been paying much attention to Nicks all season, but he didn't look like the gem that lots of fans are making him out to be in yesterday's game at least.

Dough Boy · Jan 15, 2012

Hostile;4378620 said:
I not only have not seen that rumor, I don't believe it has any merit. The Saints can easily draft an OG and start him and save money that can go to pay Brees.

No kidding. The truth is they started in training camp discussing his deal and wanted to have him extended before the season started. If Brees was going cap friendly one would think it would be announced by now.

TheSport78 · Jan 15, 2012

ufcrules1;4378788 said:
I feel that we will probably take Decastro because I think the top 2 corners will be taken already in the draft. At that point it makes sense to take Decastro then go for secondary help with picks 2 and 3 an hopefully grab a starter or 2 in FA for the secondary and defensive line.

I'd be all over this. :starspin

JBS · Jan 15, 2012

burmafrd;4378848 said:
none so blind as will not see

not sure what the problem here is...if its clear as day that there is an issue, why cant anyone show me a draft source that brings it to light..again, i am not suggesting that there isnt a problem..i just havent seen any other source label it as such..just asking for proof

Picksix · Jan 15, 2012

Eskimo;4378846 said:
Please explain to me what is unclear after reading post #27.

I'll try to clarify any points of confusion.

It's tough trying to explain a medical situation to someone who doesn't understand medicine.

Outlaw Heroes · Jan 15, 2012

ScipioCowboy;4378837 said:
In the history of the Dallas Cowboys and free agency, there might not be a free agent whose acquisition makes more sense for the Cowboys than Carl Nicks.

Depends on what the budget is, what the cost is, and what other goodies we plan to acquire in free agency and the draft. I'd love to get the guy, but it has to make sense from a cap perspective. I'm not in favor of the team blowing its brains out on this signing.

JBS · Jan 15, 2012

Picksix;4378856 said:
It's tough trying to explain a medical situation to someone who doesn't understand medicine.

its tough to start dumber threads than Robinson or Nicks...actually, its damn near impossible

Deep_Freeze · Jan 15, 2012

Eskimo;4378821 said:
This is why I am shocked with people on this forum who seem to want FO to pay Robinson a premium salary in FA if some team tries to outbid us. It is also why I am shocked that many people want to spend all of our available rersources on the offense which was already pretty good and whose main weakness in the OL will likely improve just from player development from the young guys we signed last year. We should only seek to bring in one high cost player to the interior via FA or 1st round pick - we cannot afford to do both right now and if we did it would be a sign of poor utilization of available resources.

Hey now, stop that.

We just have to build up our offense like the Aints.......wait.

If I was the Saints, I would let him walk too, cause their D is putrid.....just like ours.

ScipioCowboy · Jan 15, 2012

Outlaw Heroes;4378857 said:
Depends on what the budget is, what the cost is, and what other goodies we plan to acquire in free agency and the draft. I'd love to get the guy, but it has to make sense from a cap perspective. I'm not in favor of the team blowing its brains out on this signing.

Admittedly, there will always be mitigating factors. However, in my opinion, the Cowboys need two new starters in the interior of the offensive line, and Carl Nicks is as close to a "sure thing" as you will find in the NFL.

Eskimo · Jan 15, 2012

ufcrules1;4378847 said:
I usually disagree with you on this forum but this post was pretty spot on. Nice! Except I really want to keep Robinson here. I'm hoping we can get him for a discounted rate though since he really wants to stay here in Dallas. Also, Romo and Robinson really click well. Robinson played his butt off for us this year. I would also like to see us trade Felix for a solid defensive player.

The problem with Felix is his reputation for being "glass".

He is actually only missed a few games in the last 3 years but that is his rep.

We won't got proper value for him in a trade. Due to all the injury concerns and the fact he has only one year left on his deal I'd be surprised if we could get more than a 4th round pick for him right now. With that 4th round pick we'd probably be forced to draft another RB who would be very inferior to Felix.

It may be controversial but I would like to re-sign Felix at a discounted salary structure. He is very young (25 years old) and actually has very little mileage on his body due to his spot duty in college and pro ball. None of his injuries should have any major lingering effects. In his new role as KOR, COP back and 3rd down back he can be electric. He is a very good receiver, he is great at picking up the blitz, he is great at running the draw and he is brilliant at screen passes. He should be dynamite in this role with Murray as the starter and we might be able to sign him up for around $3-4M/yr. For all the complaints about him he put up 3 100-yard games last year as the starter and averaged around 5ypc. I think he has a career avg of 5.5 ypc which is quite rare in this league and he has done it playing with a below average OL and without good FB play. He is also a much bigger threat than Murray to take one to the house.

I'd agree to trading Felix but only if we could get a mid-2nd rounder which we could then use for a starter at OLB, OG or CB. Anything less and we are just creating another hole on our roster which will consume an equivalent pick.

ufcrules1 · Jan 15, 2012

UVAwahoos;4378849 said:
Was curious about this too. The niners have an excellent d-line, but so do the giants, and we see them twice every year. I haven't been paying much attention to Nicks all season, but he didn't look like the gem that lots of fans are making him out to be in yesterday's game at least.

San Frans defense was playing at an extremely high level yesterday. I saw a ton of huge hits and tremendous defense all over the field. I think the Saints offensive line, including Nicks still did a great job considering the circumstances. Most games during the year will not be played at such high levels.

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