Our assistant coaches really like coaching for Garrett

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khiladi said:
Why is that? Because I picked us winning a play-off game at the beginning of the season because of the change in play-calling, because Garrett sucked at it and I was right?
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I know you don't want to acknowledge it, but just in the last 2 weeks I heard NFL guys talk about Garrett as a very good offensive coordinator before he went to the walk around approach. But I've finished with trying to grant sight to the blind. I don't have that capacity.
 
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rcaldw said:
I know you don't want to acknowledge it, but just in the last 2 weeks I heard NFL guys talk about Garrett as a very good offensive coordinator before he went to the walk around approach. But I've finished with trying to grant sight to the blind. I don't have that capacity.
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He was benched as a play-caller. They improved by 4 games despite them having the same bad defense that everybody was complaining as to why they would allegedly only win 4 games, including Garrett supporters. I never said that though.

That's reality.
 
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khiladi said:
He was benched as a play-caller. They improved by 4 games despite them having the same bad defense that everybody was complaining as to why they would allegedly only win 4 games, including Garrett supporters. I never said that though.

That's reality.
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No sir. That's your imagination. As Garrett himself has said, he was proud of those 8 win seasons because he knew what they were trying to accomplish and what they were up against getting it accomplished. Only in the world of you guys is everything the same year after year except for a play caller. Its insane.
 
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Whether it is 7 or not there is a common perception that he cost us games with his less than stellar game management. Anybody that doesnt recognize that he at least had some shortcomings in that dept. are simply in denial.
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"Some shortcomings in that department" is approximately a billion miles away from "lost at least 7 games by bad clock management."

And "a common perception" says exactly nothing about reality.
 
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jimnabby said:
"Some shortcomings in that department" is approximately a billion miles away from "lost at least 7 games by bad clock management."

And "a common perception" says exactly nothing about reality.
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But losing games that never should have been lost is reality. And losing games in historical fashion is reality. And while perception may not actually be reality, its often based in reality. And often times perception is reality.

And reality says there are certainly HC's that could have been coaching in those games that were lost in historical fashion and those games would not have been lost, otherwise we would have seen losses like that in the NFL previously.
 
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But losing games that never should have been lost is reality. And losing games in historical fashion is reality. And while perception may not actually be reality, its often based in reality. And often times perception is reality.

And reality says there are certainly HC's that could have been coaching in those games that were lost in historical fashion and those games would not have been lost, otherwise we would have seen losses like that in the NFL previously.
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The only "reality" that keeps driving this narrative is so transparent that the only people who can't see it are the ones who keep it alive.
 
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khiladi said:
Why is that? Because I picked us winning a play-off game at the beginning of the season because of the change in play-calling, because Garrett sucked at it and I was right?
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Because it makes it clear to everyone that you have no clue.
 
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khiladi said:
He was benched as a play-caller. They improved by 4 games despite them having the same bad defense that everybody was complaining as to why they would allegedly only win 4 games, including Garrett supporters. I never said that though.

That's reality.
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The same defense? You lost credibility right there.

Ask any knowledgeable football person, And they'll tell you that it all starts up front. The difference between the defensive lines of 2013 and 2014 is significant, to say the least. The 2014 defense didn't have the revolving door at defensive line. In. 2013, Dallas played 22 different players on the DL. There were players literally going from their couch to the playing field. My God, one was even operating a frozen yogurt business, and a month later found himself starting a game at defensive end. The depth chart for 2014 didn't go near is deep. Mincey and Selvie held down the fort at the defensive end positions most of the season, until Lawrence and Spencer were able to share the roles. And there was nobody at the defensive tackle positions, either technique, that came close to being as solid as those positions this year. As lacking is the defensive line still is for Dallas, there is no denying the tremendous amount of improvement that unit made from last year to this one.

The linebacking corps was also better, or at least more consistent. With the exception of one game, we were starting guys like Ernie Sims. And the secondary, while also needing to be improved still, wasn't starting Jeff Heath on a regular basis.

To insinuate that the only difference from 2013 to 2014 was the play calling is ludicrous.
 
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No sir. That's your imagination. As Garrett himself has said, he was proud of those 8 win seasons because he knew what they were trying to accomplish and what they were up against getting it accomplished. Only in the world of you guys is everything the same year after year except for a play caller. Its insane.
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He also blamed the defense the year they fired Rob Ryan saying the offense needed more chances via turnover.
 
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rcaldw said:
Yea :) keep telling yourself that. 12-4 was pretty nice this year.
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It sure was. And some of us that have liked Garrett all along have been able to like him yet still recognize that he cant walk on water nor turn water into wine. Now he may be able to turn water into Blue Label for Jerry and maybe thats why he's still around. :D
 
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The same defense? You lost credibility right there.

Ask any knowledgeable football person, And they'll tell you that it all starts up front. The difference between the defensive lines of 2013 and 2014 is significant, to say the least. The 2014 defense didn't have the revolving door at defensive line. In. 2013, Dallas played 22 different players on the DL. There were players literally going from their couch to the playing field. My God, one was even operating a frozen yogurt business, and a month later found himself starting a game at defensive end. The depth chart for 2014 didn't go near is deep. Mincey and Selvie held down the fort at the defensive end positions most of the season, until Lawrence and Spencer were able to share the roles. And there was nobody at the defensive tackle positions, either technique, that came close to being as solid as those positions this year. As lacking is the defensive line still is for Dallas, there is no denying the tremendous amount of improvement that unit made from last year to this one.

The linebacking corps was also better, or at least more consistent. With the exception of one game, we were starting guys like Ernie Sims. And the secondary, while also needing to be improved still, wasn't starting Jeff Heath on a regular basis.

To insinuate that the only difference from 2013 to 2014 was the play calling is ludicrous.
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Wait, your saying our DL was stacked?
So the defense was stellar, is that what your saying? Did I deny they played better?

Was I imagining everybody saying this team would suck this year because of the defense...

and you wonder why all last year I said part of the reason the defense looked that bad was because the offense put a lot of pressure on them. And guess what happened this year?
 

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rcaldw said:
The only "reality" that keeps driving this narrative is so transparent that the only people who can't see it are the ones who keep it alive.
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This is a huge reality that we have lost games we should have never lost and that Garrett is bad when it comes to clock management. He just is. This site isnt around anymore but it was good while it was going:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/12...alf-game-management-gaffes-continues-to-grow/

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/11...lf-gaffes-are-adding-up/?trashed=1&ids=102151

This was in 2012. It doesnt account for the Lions loss at home. Remember the GB loss at home when we were up for an entire quarter and passed the ball on 14 of 15 plays?

The simple fact is this-he made situations where we should have won or could have won as difficult as possible.

Lots of coaches struggle early on in their career. It's no big deal. I like the guy- I want him to be the coach and i'm glad he is the coach.
 
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khiladi said:
I have no clue, to bother you that much..
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Not bothered at all. Amused that 2 men many consider the best coordinators we've had around here in forever, men who it was feared would leave for greener pastures, see the man as a great coach. Amused that players on our team who are respected as smart, see the man as a great coach. Jimmy Johnson, who we all feel is a great coach sees him as a great coach and told him in his interview with him that he was doing better than anyone had who had come along to work for Jerry.

And you cling to your hollow anti-Garrett mantras as if you know better than all of them.

Sorry man, you were always wrong, and a lot of people knew it. You still can't accept it. That's not bothersome, it's funny. In a sad way sure, but funny.
 
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AmericanCowboy said:
This is a huge reality that we have lost games we should have never lost and that Garrett is bad when it comes to clock management. He just is. This site isnt around anymore but it was good while it was going:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/12...alf-game-management-gaffes-continues-to-grow/

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/11...lf-gaffes-are-adding-up/?trashed=1&ids=102151

This was in 2012. It doesnt account for the Lions loss at home. Remember the GB loss at home when we were up for an entire quarter and passed the ball on 14 of 15 plays?

The simple fact is this-he made situations where we should have won or could have won as difficult as possible.

Lots of coaches struggle early on in their career. It's no big deal. I like the guy- I want him to be the coach and i'm glad he is the coach.
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Pretty strange basing your argument on a site that went out of business. :) Speaks volumes.
 
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It sure was. And some of us that have liked Garrett all along have been able to like him yet still recognize that he cant walk on water nor turn water into wine. Now he may be able to turn water into Blue Label for Jerry and maybe thats why he's still around. :D
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Lets not turn the discussion absurd. It's about balance. 7+ losses due to clock management is not balanced and that is what I objected to. It doesn't mean anyone claims that Garrett walks on water. There is a little bit of ground in between those extremes wouldn't you say?
 
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