How can we blame Dak?

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1. The David Irving circus

2. The idiotic playcalling with Scott L

3. The abysmal management by Red Garrett

4. The awful talent at wide receiver

5. The awful talent at TE

6. The awful play by the oline

7. The awful decision to have Moore as QB coach


Let me reiterate this point. i believe Dak does share some blame here. However, my eyes have seen Dak play well when he has the weapons and the schematics to help him. I think eventually Jerry is going to have to choose what's more important

A. Jason Garrett and his tenure with the Dallas Cowboys.

B. The Development of Dak Prescott

Jason Garrett since his time in Dallas has developed a grand total of 0 QB behind Romo hence why we had to rely on old talent like Kitna, Orton, Sanchez, etc. It was Garrett's job to develop Prescott and enhance his skillset from the 16 season. He did not do that. That in itself is indicative of why Garrett should be fired. I want to see Prescott succeed. I believe we all do. I am not opposed to giving Prescott a fair shot at keeping this job because I want to see him behind a competent playcaller/head coach/talent around him.

5th ranked defense in the entire league in points allowed.
#1 rusher in the league.

Losing Record.

Hell yes, I blame Dak.
 

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The 2006 roster had:

Thunder and Lightening: Marion Barber and Julio Jones who collectively rushed for over 1,700 yards

T.O. and Terry Glenn: both of them had over 1,000 receiving yards. Patrick Crayton had 516 receiving yards

Jason Witten had 754 receiving yards

TO, Glenn, Witten, and Crayton > Hurns, Austin, Beasley, Thompson, and Gallup

Check TO's stats before and after Romo became the starter.

His production Increased by more than 50% the moment Romo took the reins.

So did Witten's.

That's a fact. No matter how much you wish it werent.
 

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There's plenty of blame to go around

I don't see Dak as someone with the mechanics or vision to be a franchise qb

I don't see Garrett as a great coach or motivator of men.

I don't think the FO is great at assembling talent

I think the scouting department is kinda shady too

I think we coddle too many players

I think the FO and fans overvalue our players.

I agree!
 

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Dak’s not playing well. Period.

In 2006, everyone had an excuse for Drew Bledsoe. The OL was no good. We couldn’t run the ball. The D was subpar.

Then we replaced Bledsoe with Romo and all of those “weaknesses” magically disappeared.
Magically disappeared? You realize Romo gets more excuses than almost any player on the team. It was never Romo fault for failures in the playoffs or the terrible seasons we had under him or the 3 straight 8-8 seasons. Everybody got blamed but Romo. Not sure what you are talking about there
 

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Magically disappeared? You realize Romo gets more excuses than almost any player on the team. It was never Romo fault for failures in the playoffs or the terrible seasons we had under him or the 3 straight 8-8 seasons. Everybody got blamed but Romo. Not sure what you are talking about there

Well at this point, after everything we have seen... watching every friggin game... I don't know how anyone wouldn't wish for a Romo type QB back.

I need something to keep me awake during games... even if it is an epic last minute interception for the loss... The only thing I do now is laugh at the TV. Then when I watch the angles a couple days later... I just shake my head wondering what could possibly be keeping Dak in the actual game.

What, are they afraid they will hurt his feelings?

Screw Dak's feelings....

When you watch that All or Nothing, look at the Thanksgiving one. When they are in the meeting. I think it was Wade saying, he had no idea where Dak's confidence has went... Well, if he had confidence, it is gone and it isn't coming back. He probably left it where he left his mechanics, anticipation, defensive reading ability... etc...

I suggest if he wants to have any chance of winning anything, he drops his little fears of turning the ball over, and let's loose... Friggin either make it an epic win, or an epic fail. Either way just do something!

Sick of the mediocre scared football crap he is playing.

There is a QB actually comparable to Dak in the NFL right now... Tyrod Taylor.

But... But... But... he protects the football. He can shove the football up his _____! Maybe no one will find it then, and it will be safe.

Frankly if he keeps playing like this, and they don't try White or Rush at least one game... they are complete fools. Which we already know they are.

The friggin ship has sailed for Dak Prescott... he isn't a franchise QB, he will never be a franchise QB. The same issues he had were there in 2016, they just weren't as obvious, because defenses didn't know what to expect.

Now they have progressively gotten worse.

Any person that reads Dak's draft profile, and doesn't see that as a carbon copy of what we are looking at right now... in the 3RD FRIGGIN YEAR, needs to find a neurosurgeon.

Because they either have brain trauma, or they do not watch the games, and they do not look at the footage of all the other angles during the game. There is no way a person that at the very least watches these games, can't see it.

I don't care what coach you have, they will not make Dak Prescott better. They might have the talent to scheme to his disabilities, but they would never make him better.

There isn't a team out there that would even trade for Dak for anything but a backup. We wouldn't even get a 4th rounder for him, to make us even.
 

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Magically disappeared? You realize Romo gets more excuses than almost any player on the team. It was never Romo fault for failures in the playoffs or the terrible seasons we had under him or the 3 straight 8-8 seasons. Everybody got blamed but Romo. Not sure what you are talking about there
Hahaha that’s funny.

Those teams put up points. Romo balled out. He was between very good and elite every single year that he played. But the defense was usually garbage.

Dak has a pretty solid D right now. But the offense is garbage... Dak’s offense.

Cute comparison.
 

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Hahaha that’s funny.

Those teams put up points. Romo balled out. He was between very good and elite every single year that he played. But the defense was usually garbage.

Dak has a pretty solid D right now. But the offense is garbage... Dak’s offense.

Cute comparison.
I wasn't comparing Romo to Dak but way to dance around my facts. But since you want to compare let's do that......... Romo won how many championships?
 

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I think people are getting too caught up in how much blame to put on Dak. Whether it’s 10%, 50%, or 80%, it doesn’t really matter. We’ve learned... after not just 5 games of this season by the way but also the totality of last season too... That Dak is not the long term answer at QB. Yes Garrett and his offensive staff needs to go too. Yes the WR / TE group either needs added pieces or to be blown up and started from scratch. Maybe even the OL needs a piece or two swapped out for something younger. But none of that has to do with Dak’s abilities (lack there of) or talent level. It holds down his production, sure. But he’s just not the guy and by now everyone should see that.
 

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1. The David Irving circus

2. The idiotic playcalling with Scott L

3. The abysmal management by Red Garrett

4. The awful talent at wide receiver

5. The awful talent at TE

6. The awful play by the oline

7. The awful decision to have Moore as QB coach


Let me reiterate this point. i believe Dak does share some blame here. However, my eyes have seen Dak play well when he has the weapons and the schematics to help him. I think eventually Jerry is going to have to choose what's more important

A. Jason Garrett and his tenure with the Dallas Cowboys.

B. The Development of Dak Prescott

Jason Garrett since his time in Dallas has developed a grand total of 0 QB behind Romo hence why we had to rely on old talent like Kitna, Orton, Sanchez, etc. It was Garrett's job to develop Prescott and enhance his skillset from the 16 season. He did not do that. That in itself is indicative of why Garrett should be fired. I want to see Prescott succeed. I believe we all do. I am not opposed to giving Prescott a fair shot at keeping this job because I want to see him behind a competent playcaller/head coach/talent around him.
1 to 4....as same as 2016(dez injured)
 

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We need to begin by changing the HC. If he was worth a darn he would can Linehan. Clearly Scott is determined to force Dak into his base offense and eventually someone has to say enough. Scott knows Dak can thrive in a wide open scheme, yet he likes to keep both Dak and Zeke between the tackles . Anyway at this point it's looking like we'll be in position to draft a blue chipper so let's get people in here who can develop personnel. it may take 2 years but we're just to sort things out but we'll finally be moving.
 

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How can we blame Dak? Simple. Beasley has been targeted the most out of our WRs this season, with 24 passes being aimed at him (he';s caught 17 of those). Across 5 games, that's less than 5 passes shooting for Beasley per game. Most of the top receivers are getting hit by 5 passes per quarter, per game. Tavon Austin has been targeted 9 times and caught 6, I can go on for Gallup and Hurns if you'd like, but neither of them have been targeted more than 20 times (and their catch rates are both appalling.)

Everyone in the offensive unit other than Zeke has their share of blame in my opinion, but you can't say Dak is blameless when our receivers are getting less chances to score in the average game, than other receivers get in a quarter..
 

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Well at this point, after everything we have seen... watching every friggin game... I don't know how anyone wouldn't wish for a Romo type QB back.

I need something to keep me awake during games... even if it is an epic last minute interception for the loss... The only thing I do now is laugh at the TV. Then when I watch the angles a couple days later... I just shake my head wondering what could possibly be keeping Dak in the actual game.

What, are they afraid they will hurt his feelings?

Screw Dak's feelings....

When you watch that All or Nothing, look at the Thanksgiving one. When they are in the meeting. I think it was Wade saying, he had no idea where Dak's confidence has went... Well, if he had confidence, it is gone and it isn't coming back. He probably left it where he left his mechanics, anticipation, defensive reading ability... etc...

I suggest if he wants to have any chance of winning anything, he drops his little fears of turning the ball over, and let's loose... Friggin either make it an epic win, or an epic fail. Either way just do something!

Sick of the mediocre scared football crap he is playing.

There is a QB actually comparable to Dak in the NFL right now... Tyrod Taylor.

But... But... But... he protects the football. He can shove the football up his _____! Maybe no one will find it then, and it will be safe.

Frankly if he keeps playing like this, and they don't try White or Rush at least one game... they are complete fools. Which we already know they are.

The friggin ship has sailed for Dak Prescott... he isn't a franchise QB, he will never be a franchise QB. The same issues he had were there in 2016, they just weren't as obvious, because defenses didn't know what to expect.

Now they have progressively gotten worse.

Any person that reads Dak's draft profile, and doesn't see that as a carbon copy of what we are looking at right now... in the 3RD FRIGGIN YEAR, needs to find a neurosurgeon.

Because they either have brain trauma, or they do not watch the games, and they do not look at the footage of all the other angles during the game. There is no way a person that at the very least watches these games, can't see it.

I don't care what coach you have, they will not make Dak Prescott better. They might have the talent to scheme to his disabilities, but they would never make him better.

There isn't a team out there that would even trade for Dak for anything but a backup. We wouldn't even get a 4th rounder for him, to make us even.
great post. funny and true
 

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I wasn't comparing Romo to Dak but way to dance around my facts. But since you want to compare let's do that......... Romo won how many championships?
You’re blaming Romo for not winning when he played at an elite level year in and year out? LOL!

Dak is playing like a mediocre, below average QB right now. Romo wouldn’t know what that’s like.
 
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