2018 Passer Rating on 10+Yard Targets

CouchCoach · Apr 21, 2019

percyhoward said:
Wilson's great, but those two Seattle WR are underrated.

Baldwin has been one of the best for a long time and I agree, they do not get the credit. Lockett's exception as well.

America's Cowboy · Apr 21, 2019

Redball Express said:
Interesting.

I know everybody wants more production from the passing game.

But after watching DAK for 3 years..

his best passing is when he gets rid of the ball quickly and does not have to hold the ball waiting for slow clearing pass patterns.

He has trouble throwing people open and his accuracy is spotty.

Aikman said and correctly..you either have accuracy or you don't. It's not something you learn.

Having said that..the types of passes DAK needs are were he is moving..not trying to stay in the pocket reading the coverages and going thru progressions for 3-4 seconds

When he moves, he forces the secondary to breakdown and decide who to cover and watch for his run ability.

This opens up his big play ability.

This allows more RAC by the WRs to gain additional yardage which helps these numbers

Moore has to see this and call plays and select WR groups that play to DAKs strengths.

Linehan really did not do this. And DAK drown in the passing attack Linehan wanted to run.

When Linehan had Stafford in Detroit..he was not a running moving QB. He tried to make DAK a Stafford and he ain't that.

Yeah, Dak doesn't have accuracy, supposedly, even though his completions percentage average his first 3 years is better than Troy's and Romo's. Yes, that Dak is so terrible with his passing accuracy that he has led the entire league in "tight window throws" 2 out of his first 3 years. Yeah, that Troy Aikman is right about Dak not having good accuracy and how accuracy can't be taught because you either have it or you don't.

Bigdog · Apr 21, 2019

JW82 said:
Seems about right. I would bet his passes below 10 are top 5. If he can get this number up a few spots he will go from a very good QB to a great QB. Have to factor his mobility and rushing yards/TD's to his overall value as well.

I would also add his durability too.

Pantone282C · Apr 21, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
Middle of the pack like some say, but much higher than most say.

But with Cooper he jumps up a few spots. Wonder what he can do with a better OC. Moore, time to improve the number.

We're about to find out!

Section446 · Apr 21, 2019

So even in this regard, he's just average.

Redball Express · Apr 21, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Yeah, Dak doesn't have accuracy, supposedly, even though his completions percentage average his first 3 years is better than Troy's and Romo's. Yes, that Dak is so terrible with his passing accuracy that he has led the entire league in "tight window throws" 2 out of his first 3 years. Yeah, that Troy Aikman is right about Dak not having good accuracy and how accuracy can't be taught because you either have it or you don't.

His accuracy is based on short throws.

Throws to Beasley and before Witten left.

Beasley is gone now..we will see.

As he goes deeper his accuracy varies a great deal.

I wanted to throw stuff at the TV when he would throw over Gallups head wide open down field..

Or in the ground in front of Cooper's feet.

Come on..man.

He looks completely pedestrian in those moments..

Aikman knows what he speaks of.

Aikman had no agendas unlike you.

Not sure if your agenda is as DAK supporter or you just do not like my post.

Whichever.

Captain-Crash · Apr 21, 2019

Redball Express said:
His accuracy is based on short throws.

Throws to Beasley and before Witten left.

Beasley is gone now..we will see.

As he goes deeper his accuracy varies a great deal.

I wanted to throw stuff at the TV when he would throw over Gallups head wide open down field..

Or in the ground in front of Cooper's feet.

Come on..man.

He looks completely pedestrian in those moments..

Aikman knows what he speaks of.

Aikman had no agendas unlike you.

Not sure if your agenda is as DAK supporter or you just do not like my post.

Whichever.

well Troy doesn't have a crush on Dak likes his worshipers. :facepalm:

Boyz981 · Apr 21, 2019

Redball Express said:
His accuracy is based on short throws.

Throws to Beasley and before Witten left.

Beasley is gone now..we will see.

As he goes deeper his accuracy varies a great deal.

I wanted to throw stuff at the TV when he would throw over Gallups head wide open down field..

Or in the ground in front of Cooper's feet.

Come on..man.

He looks completely pedestrian in those moments..

Aikman knows what he speaks of.

Aikman had no agendas unlike you.

Not sure if your agenda is as DAK supporter or you just do not like my post.

Whichever.

And you don't have an agenda?

Redball Express · Apr 21, 2019

Captain-Crash said:
well Troy doesn't have a crush on Dak likes his worshipers.

Yeah.

I like DAK.

He is just an uneven force at the position.

He starts slow and plays catch-up well.

With our defense..he really must switch it around and start fast and let the defense play with leads.

He places alot of demand on the defense to shut teams down while he regains momentum.

Tough way to win if you ask me. And hard to sustain

Redball Express · Apr 21, 2019

Boyz981 said:
And you don't have an agenda?

We all do.

I am a Cowboy fan.

Stephen A says I am the most despicable there is.

percyhoward · Apr 21, 2019

Redball Express said:
His accuracy is based on short throws.

Again, the shorter throws actually hurt his numbers slightly. That's the point of this thread, in fact.

Here are some players whose passer rating benefits greatly from short throws, and how they compare to Dak:

Prescott
Target < 10 yards
309 of 382 80.9% 2511 yd 6.6 ypa 9 td 2 int 99.7
Target 10+ yards
89 of 175 50.9% 1866 yd 10.7 ypa 15 td 7 int 100.7

Trubisky
Target < 10 yards
237 of 288 82.3% 1757 yd 6.1 ypa 12 td 1 int 104.5
Target 10+ yards
78 of 170 45.9% 1769 yd 10.4 ypa 13 td 11 int 82.2

Newton
Target < 10 yards
233 of 278 83.8% 1753 yd 6.3 ypa 15 td 4int 104.9
Target 10+ yards
87 of 163 53.4% 1642 yd 10.1 ypa 9 td 9 int 83.9

Winston
Target < 10 yards
154 of 188 81.9% 1200 yd 6.4 ypa 6 td 2 int 99.5
Target 10+ yards
90 of 177 50.8% 1792 yd 10.2 ypa 13 td 12 int 82.9

Smith
Target < 10 yards
164 of 199 82.4% 1336 yd 6.7 ypa 6 td 1 int 102.5
Target 10+ yards
41 of 95 43.2% 844 yd 8.9 ypa 4 td 4 int 71.6

Idgit · Apr 21, 2019

Section446 said:
So even in this regard, he's just average.

Point is that this is a regard where he’s generally dinged for being well below average. And that’s not the case.

Toruk_Makto · Apr 21, 2019

I really wish we had this data for 10+ and 20+.

Since when is 10 yards considered throwing downfield?

I've noticed that trend here on the zone.

Toruk_Makto · Apr 21, 2019

percyhoward said:
Again, the shorter throws actually hurt his numbers slightly. That's the point of this thread, in fact.

Here are some players whose passer rating benefits greatly from short throws, and how they compare to Dak:

Prescott
Target < 10 yards
309 of 382 80.9% 2511 yd 6.6 ypa 9 td 2 int 99.7
Target 10+ yards
89 of 175 50.9% 1866 yd 10.7 ypa 15 td 7 int 100.7

Trubisky
Target < 10 yards
237 of 288 82.3% 1757 yd 6.1 ypa 12 td 1 int 104.5
Target 10+ yards
78 of 170 45.9% 1769 yd 10.4 ypa 13 td 11 int 82.2

Newton
Target < 10 yards
233 of 278 83.8% 1753 yd 6.3 ypa 15 td 4int 104.9
Target 10+ yards
87 of 163 53.4% 1642 yd 10.1 ypa 9 td 9 int 83.9

Winston
Target < 10 yards
154 of 188 81.9% 1200 yd 6.4 ypa 6 td 2 int 99.5
Target 10+ yards
90 of 177 50.8% 1792 yd 10.2 ypa 13 td 12 int 82.9

Smith
Target < 10 yards
164 of 199 82.4% 1336 yd 6.7 ypa 6 td 1 int 102.5
Target 10+ yards
41 of 95 43.2% 844 yd 8.9 ypa 4 td 4 int 71.6

Not exactly a who is who among NFL's premier passers.

Additionally Dak is throwing a greater % of his throws short. Which confirms that he dinks and dunks not refutes.

Percentage of passes 10 yards or fewer.

Dak: 68.6%
Trubisky: 62.9%
Newton: 63%
Winston: 51.5%
Smith: 63.3%

DandyDon52 · Apr 21, 2019

percyhoward said:
No, his passer rating on targets of 9 yards or less is lower. The shorter throws actually hurt his numbers.

Target 10+ yards
Prescott
89 of 175 50.9% 1866 yd 10.7 ypa 15 td 7 int 100.7

Target < 10 yards
309 of 382 80.9% 2511 yd 6.6 ypa 9 td 2 int 99.7

Guys like Trubisky, Newton, and Smith get 20+point boosts from the shorter throws.

Well he had better completion % 80% is way higher than 50% also more yds and I would think more first downs from the shorter passes.
also better td to int ratio, only 2 of his 9 ints came on short throws.

Mr_437 · Apr 21, 2019

Y'all have some many stat threads to validate Dak. If a player is good there's no need for validation...no saying Dak's bad, I'm just saying.

LatinMind · Apr 21, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
Middle of the pack like some say, but much higher than most say.

But with Cooper he jumps up a few spots. Wonder what he can do with a better OC. Moore, time to improve the number.

He starts the yr in a hole, if he has cooper for the whole yr he most likely is inside the top 10

percyhoward · Apr 21, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
Well he had better completion % 80% is way higher than 50% also more yds and I would think more first downs from the shorter passes.
also better td to int ratio, only 2 of his 9 ints came on short throws.

Right, but passer rating is made up of completion percentage, yards per attempt, TD%, and INT%. His low ypa on the shorter throws brings his rating down, despite the predictably high completion percentage.

percyhoward · Apr 21, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
Not exactly a who is who among NFL's premier passers.

Right you are, and not at all like Prescott, because these guys' success comes completely from the short passing game.

Toruk_Makto said:
Additionally Dak is throwing a greater % of his throws short. Which confirms that he dinks and dunks not refutes.

Percentage of passes 10 yards or fewer.

Dak: 68.6%
Trubisky: 62.9%
Newton: 63%
Winston: 51.5%
Smith: 63.3%

If you simply count attempts and ignore the results of those attempts, here's where that logic takes you.

Brees 68.8%
Prescott 68.6%
Brady 66.0%
Rodgers 65.1%

Smith: 63.3%
Newton: 63%
Trubisky: 62.9%
Winston: 51.5%

Plumfool · Apr 21, 2019

percyhoward said:
Right you are, and not at all like Prescott, because these guys' success comes completely from the short passing game.

If you simply count attempts and ignore the results of those attempts, here's where that logic takes you.

Brees 68.8%
Prescott 68.6%
Brady 66.0%
Rodgers 65.1%

Smith: 63.3%
Newton: 63%
Trubisky: 62.9%
Winston: 51.5%

Thank you for the actual information.

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