Garrett’s reaction to the Kellen Moore hype

dsturgeon · Jun 17, 2019

ondaedg said:
QBs needing 6 years to master an offense is so 1984.

You are wrong.

Russell Wilson is a good example. The defense carried him for four years. 3 and outs over and over, and the defense won games. He won a super bowl. Each year he developed, they opened the play book up, and in the past couple of years he has been passing, running, and handling the mental game at a high level.

He has been in the league 7 years. The high powered offense came towards the end of that timeline.

OmerV · Jun 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Yea as usual coaching gets blamed for the bad but no credit for the good. Most likely our play calling was limited because of our QB skill set.

Of course, we had the #5 offense in 2016 with the same QB.

CouchCoach · Jun 17, 2019

gimmesix said:
If this offense becomes dynamic, then they both deserve credit: Garrett for the underlying scheme and Moore for the alterations he was allowed to make to it. If the offense doesn't look any different than it did last year or eight years ago under Garrett, then it would be hard to blame Moore for that, just like Linehan is getting more blame than he probably deserves.

Maybe Linehan didn't want more movement on offense. Maybe he didn't want to stack receivers or run rub routes. Maybe it was his choice to use a good pass-catching fullback only as a lead blocker, not run draws much, not make good use of play-action, etc. But those things were also there when Garrett was running the offense. About the only thing that Linehan really changed was relying more on the running game, but that change was going to happen no matter who was the coordinator because the Joneses wanted it. Were the tendencies that came with that Linehan's, Garrett's or a command from above?

Above, they didn't spend a 4th pick on a RB to have a passing team.

When it comes to this brain trust of Booger & Son, give me the totally ignorant instead of those that think they know what they're doing. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Bobhaze · Jun 17, 2019

Dre11 said:
That's bs bob, your posts are mostly negative. Sherrington articles are normally click bait. He somehow twisted Garrett saying it is a collaborative effort on offense ,("this week" )as some sneaky message from Garrett so that Moore doesn't get credit. You bought into it and posted it as such.

Ok. Thanks Dre.

gimmesix · Jun 17, 2019

OmerV said:
Of course, we had the #5 offense in 2016 with the same QB.

And I think Garrett hangs his hat on things like that, when it ignores the fact that we've won two playoff games in his 9 1/2 seasons.

We could simply blame the defense, but we've also faced some defenses where having a little more creativity on offense might have given us the edge we needed to win a shootout. We didn't lose to the Rams IMO because their offense was better than ours. We lost to them because they made adjustments to their offense to nullify our strengths and attack our weaknesses. We made no such adjustments.

Diehardblues · Jun 17, 2019

OmerV said:
Of course, we had the #5 offense in 2016 with the same QB.

Yea but defenses hadn’t seen this QB before. They had it figured out by the end of that season.

OmerV · Jun 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Yea but defenses hadn’t seen this QB before. They had it figured out by the end of that season.

And that QB hadn't seen NFL defenses before either, or played against defenders that were across the board better athletes and more experienced players than he had ever seen before. As for the end of the season, the last game he played was the playoff game in which he threw for 302 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT, with a 63% completion % and 103.2 QB rating, so apparently he wasn't completely figured out. The Giants game in Game 13 was really his only poor showing in the 2nd half of the season, unless you want to count game 16 in which he only played a few series with a number of starters on the bench.

OmerV · Jun 17, 2019

gimmesix said:
And I think Garrett hangs his hat on things like that, when it ignores the fact that we've won two playoff games in his 9 1/2 seasons.

We could simply blame the defense, but we've also faced some defenses where having a little more creativity on offense might have given us the edge we needed to win a shootout. We didn't lose to the Rams IMO because their offense was better than ours. We lost to them because they made adjustments to their offense to nullify our strengths and attack our weaknesses. We made no such adjustments.

I don't know if Garrett does, but Jerry seems to let him rest on those laurels for a couple of years. To me it's a sign of inconsistency you can't just pass off on the players. The team has been going through ups and downs for years, and that's my argument against Garrett. He has to find a way to develop more consistency from year to year instead of counting on big highs to give him a chance to win rather than year after year having a chance to win.

Fire407 · Jun 17, 2019

Even though I don't like Jason Garrett being the head coach, I am very hopeful about the team this year. I think we have a tremendous amount of talent and so far everyone is healthy. If it's true that Moore is reporting directly to Jerry then that even gives me more hope,

Rayman70 · Jun 17, 2019

Garrett is a placeholder...a lame duck HC. He wields no say so..no power. Moore reports to JJ. Scary if you ask me. Dallas has the only team dynamic like this in the league I think. Very dysfunctional. The skins may be more messed up I guess.

gimmesix · Jun 17, 2019

OmerV said:
I don't know if Garrett does, but Jerry seems to let him rest on those laurels for a couple of years. To me it's a sign of inconsistency you can't just pass off on the players. The team has been going through ups and downs for years, and that's my argument against Garrett. He has to find a way to develop more consistency from year to year instead of counting on big highs to give him a chance to win rather than year after year having a chance to win.

Again, I think that's the problem with the system. If you don't have outside receivers who can regularly beat other teams' No. 1 corner or have trouble against press coverage, then you work to get them more favorable matchups. If you're substitute left tackle shows he can't handle the RDE one-on-one, then you help him. When teams are running eight-man fronts, you've got to keep running the ball, but there are also things you can do to make them hesitate or misdirect them some or even make them pay for it.

Our personnel fluctuates but our offense system rarely adjusts for it. Consistency comes from looking at what you've got and figuring out how to best use that personnel to win, even if it means major changes to what you are doing. We made sort of a concession on offense for the fact that Dak can run the ball, but even with that we don't seem to be fully committed to using it as the weapon it should be. There are a few designed runs, but it's more often just Dak taking off and making a play.

droopdog7 · Jun 17, 2019

Man, lots of posters are obsessed with bashing Garrett. Too many would still rather see him (and the team) fail. Sad.

Diehardblues · Jun 17, 2019

OmerV said:
And that QB hadn't seen NFL defenses before either, or played against defenders that were across the board better athletes and more experienced players than he had ever seen before. As for the end of the season, the last game he played was the playoff game in which he threw for 302 yards, 3 TDs and 1 INT, with a 63% completion % and 103.2 QB rating, so apparently he wasn't completely figured out. The Giants game in Game 13 was really his only poor showing in the 2nd half of the season, unless you want to count game 16 in which he only played a few series with a number of starters on the bench.

You know what I’m talking about. By the NY game you referenced and the Vikings and Philly game defenses had begun figuring his weaknesses out. Yes, we still won a couple of those but the strategy had been set to defend him which has carried forward .

Dre11 · Jun 17, 2019

kskboys said:
No they're not. Bob is one of the few who tries to see it the way it is, he calls it as he sees it and lets the chips fall where they may. He doesn't hide from the truth.

That was a very bad personal analysis.

Bob sees it as negative, I've had enough run ins with Bob.

Bobhaze · Jun 17, 2019

Dre11 said:
Bob sees it as negative, I've had enough run ins with Bob.

LOL.

Diehardblues · Jun 17, 2019

Dre11 said:
That's bs bob, your posts are mostly negative. Sherrington articles are normally click bait. He somehow twisted Garrett saying it is a collaborative effort on offense ,("this week" )as some sneaky message from Garrett so that Moore doesn't get credit. You bought into it and posted it as such.

Wow... what an outlandish take on Bobs thread. If you’d followed Bob all of these years you’d know he has been a critic of Garrett. You poorly read into Bobs intention here IMO regardless the intention of the article. Bob was simply providing his take on it.

renny · Jun 17, 2019

Dre11 said:
This the most overrated phrase here, every team knows what the next teams scheme and strengths. If teams really knew what we were doing, how the heck did this team go to the second round of the playoffs with the talent and defensive minds in the nfl...lol we won the division went to the second round with the other teams knowing our plays....lol

Really, then why didn't they just keep Linehan! Then why hire smart coaches they're not needed right? The reason the Cowboys didn't advance and won as much as they did was because the talent took them as far as it could with an incompetent coach. At the second round level of the playoffs coaching became evident.

kskboys · Jun 17, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Then where are you drawing these assumptions and expectations from?

Assumptions: Don't have any. Moore has a nice head for the game. We do know that.

Expectations: The play calling was so bad w/ Linny, my expectation is that it will be better. No one knows this, but Moore would really have to blow chunks to be worse than Linny.

nobody · Jun 17, 2019

droopdog7 said:
Man, lots of posters are obsessed with bashing Garrett. Too many would still rather see him (and the team) fail. Sad.

I don't think that many want him to fail. Rather that they just don't envision the Cowboy succeeding with him for whatever reasons. You can lose faith in someone and still want them to succeed but expect them to fail. That doesn't mean that you want them to.

kskboys · Jun 17, 2019

Dre11 said:
Bob sees it as negative, I've had enough run ins with Bob.

Once again, your people analysis skills are terrible, bottom of the barrel. Seeing something as a negative does not make one a negative person.

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