Dak-Deniers/Fact Haters, What Will Dak Have to Do for You to Eat Crow?

PAPPYDOG

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Lol. If you lived with Aikman and Romo as you stated, how is it you conveniently forgot the 10 in betweens and only mentioned the best? To top it off, you're comparing our qb whose still on a rookie contract to the best QB's Dallas ever had. Talk about an unethical post.
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unethical hmmm really now so for a 2 year period that involves Quincy Carter and Chad,Henson 2001-2003 as I consider Testaverde and Bledsoe Superior QB to Dak my post is unethical....right.....lol....
P.S. Danny White and Meredith we're also superior QB than Dak....if you really wanna play ethical bud...>!!!!
 

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When you have lived with these.......
How the heck can you be sold on the below which half of the time is throwing for UNDER 200 yards a game!

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There's pretty much nothing Dak can do as he doesn't have the God given Talent to carry a team on his shoulders......a simple cog in a very talented and expensive machine.....

P.S. Give us our LONG BALL back baby we don't do ANEMIC in BIG D!!!!!!
Lol. If you lived with Aikman and Romo as you stated, "how the hec" is it you conveniently didn't mention the 10 qb's in between? Probably because not ONE of them was as good as Dak in their 3rd year as a starter.

To top it off, you're comparing our qb whose still on a rookie contract to the best QB's Dallas ever had. Talk about an unethical post comparing the best to make Dak look bad. WOW
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I suggest you go root for the Eagles then along with @Risen Star and a few others. You obviously hate the Cowboys so much. Your so consumed with hate you can’t see the abundance of talent the organization has put together that not only bodes well for the present, but also long term. You’re a joke and a embarrassment to call yourself a cowboy fan.
Yap, yap, yap. Do you realize neither Troy nor Roger averaged more than 200 yds/game for their entire careers? Like most yappy dogs, you should stay on the porch
 

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What valid criticism? I have yet to read a post with meaningful fact-based criticism. You pick the category. Wins. Comeback wins. Completion percentage. Yards per completion. Rushing touchdowns. TD to INT ratio. It goes on and on.

Even the sacks he has taken (holds the ball too long) is a phantom argument - he takes less sacks and less fumble/sacks than Wentz, for example.

I would love to see someone criticize Dak with a fact-based argument.

All of this has been addressed.

Wins: This isn't a single player stat

Comeback wins: On the big stage, what comeback wins has Dak had? Is Aaron Rodgers a comeback king for bringing his team back against lowly opponents while being 2-36 against teams with winning records?

Yards per completion: He was 16th out of all starting QBs last year

TD to INT: Prescott threw 500+ times last year, only had 22 TD passes. He has low TD passes for the amount of times he threw. This means he's ultra conservative with the football. This is not efficiency like elite QBs in their best years.

Might want to bring up what that "on and on" is.
 

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This is rich.

Grown men who act like babies because you just don't like their QB think you have to grow up.

Ahuh.

Prescott is a bum. A fraud. And soon to be the most over paid player in the history of the NFL.

Go Cowboys.

No wasn't my point. There are people who would rather argue and be right, wether the issue is Dak, Romo, Jerry whatever and whomever than be wrong.

If we could I'd trade Dak for a couple of firsts, believe me. I've never defended Dak.

This thread was started with the intent of just calling people out was my only point.
 

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Have the defense give up 30 points a game, thus putting the game on Prescott shoulders having to throw to catch up and win.

This is his Achilles heel. He doesn't have that gear. Everything has to be in place for Prescott to excel. If opposing teams score 30 points, Dallas will probably lose 95% of the time.

When Romo was the QB, I was never concerned about getting into a shootout. But with Prescott it's my biggest concern.

I looked up the stats and Prescott is 2-4 in the regular season and 0-2 in the postseason when Dallas gives up 30 points. This is where Prescott needs to improve to be considered a top QB and not just above average.
u are not using good logic, last year rodgers was 3-5 when opposing teams score 30 points. I guess he sucks too?
Also the qb does not soley determine how many points his team scores lol.
If that were the case many qb would always score 40 points a game every game.
Dak does not design plays or call plays, or make game plans, or determine overall offensive scheme.
Dallas is using a run short pass balanced offense, which just isnt going to score a lot of points.
Teams that go heavy on pass tend to score more.
Dallas has too many 3 and outs, and each one of those eliminates a possession and doesnt eat much time.
Dallas needs to dominate top, but have not done that well since 2016
 

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I had to take the offseason off of this place because I'm a pragmatist: I go with what works.

Dak Prescott as the Dallas Cowboys quarterback works.

And the numbers prove it.

Numbers are facts, to me at least. Most stats can tell you something in the context of the team... Dak has the stats of a winner. He wins. He's proven that.

So, I get tired of arguing with people who think Dak's a loser — for whatever reason.

That facts are, almost every single statistic you point at proves he's not.

So, what would Dake have to do in 2019 for all of the Dak-hating, fact-denying quarterback know-it-alls to eat crow on Dak being a legit quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys?

I was Romo's first fan. I loved watching him play. But I'm happy to be moving forward with Dak.

What would he have to do to make you happy?


Well, i usually dont answer Dak threads like this anymore. Just once in a while. And this time i decided to do so.

Most Dak Threads are lead by emotions and trying to simplify things by taking on extreme positions. They often offend others, title them as haters or lovers. Just like this one. I just can't understand how people think they will get a fundamentally sound answer by starting a thread like the one here. But anyways, as i said, i will post my kind of view to this one.

You talk a lot about "facts" but you don't give any source for them. You act like everybody has to "know" that Dak is a great player, but to prove your point you rely only on your own feelings. That isn't bad at all, everybody is free to like or dislike persons. But to talk about facts and then don't prove your point is weak.

You say Dak is a winner. That's a thesis (which by the way you again don't prove) which i tend to deny. Of course Dak seem to act like one. He seems to be a leader, and his body language is the one of someone who is always able to forget about his bad play and focuses on the next one. It seems he is well accepted by his teammates also. But none (including me) can say that for sure. We are not involved in the locker room, nor in the one-on-one talks between him and his coaches. All we have is the media and watching the games. That's not much to really get a picture of him. Else nobody in the NFL would have meetings with players they tend to draft or sign, if watching tape was enough.

But you use the word "winner" not because of those attributes. You use those attributes to talk him into a winner on the field. And that, to me, he certainly is not. American football is a sport (if not THE sport) that relies heavily on playing together as a functional unit. To me on offense it's even more important than on defense. You don't have success if players around you don't do "their job". So to say Dak is a winner just because he has a winning record, does only prove that he has a lot of players around him who know and are able to do their part. It does not prove that he is able to elevate players around him. IMO he is not. If you are not convinced then just look at what happened 2018 before Armani Cooper arrived here and/or Colombo took over the OL duties. And if you don't believe me that a player has to be in the right system and be surrounded by the right people to be successful then watch Chris Carter and what he does say about his success in the NFL.



On a side-note: I totally agree with everything those people say about Warren Moon. Heck, this guy threw one of the most beautiful balls i ever watched. I saw this guy play over his whole career. And i can tell you: he is a beauty to watch. To compare Dak to him is just unfair. I understand that prepping up your player is the way to go (especially in the offseason). But Kitna didn't do him good with that one.

I for myself have no feelings regarding Prescott. How should i ? I never met this guy. I have no relationship with him. All i want is my franchise to be successful. And here comes the problem.

Right now to me Dak Prescott is a mediocre QB. He has a lot of negatives on him. That isn't a problem at first. But in the last 3 years, he didn't show me anything that makes me believe he can get better in those. Because he didn't get better in that timespan. To give him a long-term contract and bind the faith of your franchise to him to me seems like a too risky move right now

Here are some of the deficiencies i recognice by watching him play:
  • He is only a one read QB.
  • His vision is not good. He doesn't see the whole field.
  • He focuses too much and too long on one WR (which goes with my first bullet point).
  • He isn't good at managing the pocket at all. He takes way too many sacks he should not.
  • His accuracy is not good. He for sure has a strong arm, but he can't put the ball where it belongs (one reasons of Dez' decline playing with him).
  • He can't read the DE well enough to be a real weapon as an option QB.
  • He has a lot of troubles with his footwork.

Well, to prove some of my points, here is a (IMO good) article that shows some of his deficiencies. Don't get bothered by the sensational caption - the article's worth reading.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/06/da...fDUdlpEI7SbnbLR_TRDnUFGsjAhh2UqMiZ2-oORS3J7w4

It shows very nicely what someone could sense by watching him play. Besides all the wins and his attributes (which i mentioned above) he leaves a feeling that doesn't convinces you. The stats (in your words "facts") tell a good story and matches with what you experience when you watch him play.

Those yellows and especially the red mark disturbs me. I even don't consider the green into the short flat to the right because most of it comes from screen passes to Zeke. He has to get better in the passing game. If he can get 50% of those yellows erased into greens and turns the red one into a green too, then we can talk about a contract again.

I myself consider Dak Prescott - compared to all starting NFL QBs - in the middles twenties right now. But i can live with the 18th spot PFF placed him also.

Here is another good video about Daks flaws:



Some more "facts":



https://fansided.com/2018/11/14/dak-prescott-cowboys-film-review-eagles/


On a new contract i would consider us not in a hurry. I for my own would like to watch him play for the half or in the third of the next season and then decide what you want to do with him. If he shows that he can get better then i am absolutely convinced to sign him to a long-term contract. But remember, if he doesn't pan out we still have the FT for 2020 and than maybe trading him. Which brings me to my last point.

There is a lot more to say, but to close my post, i don't want to say trading Prescott under all costs is a valuable option. But if someone - like this article suggests - is really willing to give me that kind of return i would strongly consider it. Just imagine what you could do with another rookie QB and the salary he will get: You could keep Cooper, LVE, Jalon Smith, Randall Cobb, etc etc.... We would be in great shape and considered a contender for years to come (of course, if the new QB pans out).

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this team won’t sniff another SB until there’s a complete turnover in the front office and coaching staff starting at the top in both. It doesn’t matter who the QB is! We’ll have up and down seasons but SB’s are done!
lol then you might as well forget
about a SB till at least 2050
 

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No wasn't my point. There are people who would rather argue and be right, wether the issue is Dak, Romo, Jerry whatever and whomever than be wrong.

If we could I'd trade Dak for a couple of firsts, believe me. I've never defended Dak.

This thread was started with the intent of just calling people out was my only point.

So, outside of trading him for two first round picks, which you apparently think he may be worth, there's nothing he can do to win you over?
 

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So, outside of trading him for two first round picks, which you apparently think he may be worth, there's nothing he can do to win you over?

No I don't think he worth two 1sts. I think thats what we should trade for him though. I'm rooting for him to bring us some post season wins, that's all, I have no expectations.
 

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You already brought of Dak's "2 probowls" - which you ended up leaving out that Dak was not just a replacement, but third in line and got into the pro-bowl due to a starter injury....

You then went on to say he's a "winner" - what has he won? Regular season games and a wildcard game. There have been QBs who have had more success in this league for a lot long who aren't considered "winners" for winning playoff games. Mark freakin' Sanchez got further than Dak in his first two seasons, what was Mark Sanchez?

Which pro bowl are you talking about his first or his second? Was he a replacement for rookie of the year also?

So what does your skilled QB analysis eye tell you about Dak and Sanchez? Who is a better QB? Can you tell the difference between the two?
 

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This is said about most QBs. It's a job. It's a career. Most want to succeed.

You rarely see QBs having lifelong habits die in the NFL.

So now you are claiming that "having all the intangibles and is said about all QB's? LOL

Another dumb statement by a guy that clearly has no clue how to analyze QB's.
 

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There’s really not anything that Dak can do to change the minds of the Dak haters. ^^ Their lack of character prevents them from admitting they are wrong and they’ll always find something to complain about.

You chastising anyone on this board about character might be the single funniest thing ever uttered on this board.

This would be like Pablo Escobar chastising drug dealers for selling drugs.
 

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Hit a receiver in stride from 5 to 60 yards more than 20% of the time. Throw a receiver open. Read a defense pre snap. Lose the happy feet in the pocket. Correct the horrible mechanics. Stop ducking, tucking and running every time he gets a little pressure. Learn to feel pressure. Learn to get thru his progressions quicker. First receiver covered, dump off covered...he tucks, escapes the pocket and a lot of the time rolls right into the pressure.

I’ll give him...he’s a great leader, says all the right things, tougher than a lightered knot and seems to play better late in games.

He’s a mediocre QB. He’ll never put a team on his back and carry them anywhere. Can we win with him? Yes if all pieces around him are perfect.

All this being said, this team won’t sniff another SB until there’s a complete turnover in the front office and coaching staff starting at the top in both. It doesn’t matter who the QB is! We’ll have up and down seasons but SB’s are done!

LOL....………….this is the best. I love this post. Classic Dak hating troll logic.

"Yah she is totally hot, but I don't like her personality" LOL

Yah........hes a great leader, tough, a winner, and he's clutch...………………………..BUT!!!!

All those things you mentioned are the most important aspects of being a QB. The rest of the stuff you mentioned, although exagerations, are basically just stuff that most young QB's need to get better at as they mature.

And they obviously all cant be as bad as you say they are because he continues to take us to the playoffs and build a great resume.

But by all means, cry about the little stuff.

He’ll never put a team on his back and carry them anywhere.

He leads the league in last drive comeback wins the last 3 years. He puts the team on his back more than anyone. You guys cant even present a credible case for anything.
 
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