The case for Pollard

Risen Star · Dec 16, 2019

Pollard's just a special talent. Generational.

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
you are such a fantasy football player....to you big plays is how many points I got in my fantasy league game of the week. I look at some of zeke's play and he may have made a 3 yard run and not many fantasy point, but avoiding getting tackled in the back field and losing 4 yards....that's a big play...but not to fantasy football players......that's the difference between the fantasy land you live in and real football. I wouldn't so openly talk about this too loudly. you will get laughed out of the room.

No.. NFL teams factor in explosive plays as one of their most major stats that they use as well.

Explosive plays and turnovers.

ElGuapoGriswald · Dec 16, 2019

baltcowboy said:
Let's not get carried away. Pollard played well but Zeke is the man.

LIKE! People get carried away man. Zeke was running like a bull yesterday and Pollard was getting the bruised and beat up rams D that zeke manhandled.

CowboysFaninHouston · Dec 16, 2019

InTheZone said:
this is like saying Tavon Austin should be our starter over Cooper

actually you just hit the nail on the head. he has a 7.8 YPC rushing average, if we used him like 50% of the running game, we could be rushing for 210 yards per game....can you imagine the fantasy points

:muttley:

ElGuapoGriswald · Dec 16, 2019

baltcowboy said:
Let's not get carried away. Pollard played well but Zeke is the man.

LIKE! People get carried away man. Zeke was running like a bull yesterday and Pollard was getting the bruised and beat up rams D that zeke manhandled.

CowboysFaninHouston · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
No.. NFL teams factor in explosive plays as one of their most major stats that they use as well.

Explosive plays and turnovers.

Trendnet · Dec 16, 2019

Risen Star said:
Pollard's just a special talent. Generational.

Pair him with Devin Smith and the Cowboys have 2 of the 3 triplets again!

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
so you are spinning, spinning and dismissing any facts that don't fit your fantasy narrative.....zeke is a top 5 rusher this year..... depending on the next two games, could be top 3 again...hmmmm

there are 10 other pollards in this league...… change of pace back, who get to play in garbage time when game is over and get garbage yards....that's about what he is... not much more....

Zeke's a top 5 rusher because he has 270 carries.

Just like Chris Carson and Derrick Henry are top 5 rushers because they have 270 carries. So what?

jterrell · Dec 16, 2019

Quickdraw said:
From the start, I've liked this kid. Yesterday was the icing on the cake for me.

Pollard:
12 rushes for 131 yards

Elliot:
24 rushes for 117 yards

To me, the kid is just better than Elliot. Don't get me wrong. I think Elliot is a good back (not work the big contract though). But I think Pollard gives the dynamic of the "break-away" run as evident in his TD run yesterday. If that was Elliot, he goes down or is caught from behind.

L. O. L.
This is about as dumb as it gets.

Pollard is a bright young prospect but he's no where near Zeke as an actual player.
Most of Pollards yards came after Zeke abused that defense for over 100 yards with bruising runs.

He is faster than Zeke and is great in the open field but has no where near Zeke's power to break tackles between the tackles.

Pollard will get stronger in time and may be he will catch Zeke in the next couple seasons but right now that is nonsense.

Risen Star · Dec 16, 2019

Fans no longer appreciate a true workhorse back. I guess it's a product of the way the game has changed and teams go up and down the field in the passing game. They want flash these days.

I'll take the workhorse. Especially the way this team is built. There is only one way the Cowboys have any chance to beat the better teams in the league and that's by doing exactly what they did to the Rams. They have to dominate the clock with the OL and Zeke Elliott.

They lost their identity this year trying to make Prescott a franchise QB. That was a mistake. The formula for this team is on the back of Ezekiel Elliott and the supposed best OL in football. They have to win that way. He should be carrying the ball more not less.

TheHerd · Dec 16, 2019

Gaede said:
He's got some skill for sure. But I think he'd break in half if we ever tried to put him in a full time role. And this offense needs a consistent grinder.

Zeke is a complete back and a beast. Pollard will never be able to do the things he does because he just doesn't have the body for it. Notice how the offense typically stalls when he's in for Zeke because he's not getting those 5 and 6 yd runs. He played great today, but let's not fool ourselves--game was over in the third quarter

I don't think most folks are saying make Pollard the starter over Zeke. I know some might be saying that, but it's a little ridiculous. But he should be getting consistent carries.

CowboysFaninHouston · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Zeke's a top 5 rusher because he has 270 carries.

Just like Chris Carson and Derrick Henry are top 5 rushers because they have 270 carries. So what?

so based on your logic anybody getting 270 carries would become top rushers...not because they are good backs....these guys get the carries because they are good...tough for you to connect the logic as it doesn't fit the spreadsheet statistical analysis for your fantasy football

so then should seattle give more carries to Rashad Penny? he is averaging 5.7 YPC, can you imagine the fantasy points he would get....better than carson

what about duke Johnson in Houston, I mean he is averaging 5.1 YPC....imagine if they gave him 250 carries...wow, the fantasy points...

and Justin Jackson...he defintley deserves more carries...he is getting like almost 7 YPC....I think he needs to get at least 200....

and kerith white of Pitt, he has over 6 YPC average.... oh my counting my fantasy points...he defintley deserves 150 carries.....

and todd gurley sucks...his average is 3.9.....he should be benched....

you must be a gen Z football fan, growing up and becoming fan of NFL as a fantasy football player....do you ever watch football, just for the sake of watching football? I doubt it...

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
so based on your logic anybody getting 270 carries would become top rushers...not because they are good backs thus they get 270 carries......to carry the team...

..

I don't think that I know that.

Production at the RB position is mostly based on attempts.

It proves out that way on a career level or 1 season level.

You can go year by year and who knows... You might get lucky and find an outlier but in general the attempts leaders are also the rushing leaders.

Todd Gurley is damaged goods btw and they made a huge mistake signing him.

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
you must be a gen Z football fan, growing up and becoming fan of NFL as a fantasy football player....do you ever watch football, just for the sake of watching football? I doubt it...

I'm saying stuff like attempts = production and explosive plays are one of the biggest deciding factors in games and it's baffling you.. lol, like come on. This is common knowledge.

INCowboysFan · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Why should I care what he did in college.

He needs to cut into Zeke's carries until he proves he can't do it because all he's done as a rookie is prove your "what did he do in college" theory wrong.

I think he's proven that he is doing exactly what he did in college. That's his role on this team.

Quickdraw · Dec 16, 2019

jterrell said:
L. O. L.
This is about as dumb as it gets.

Pollard is a bright young prospect but he's no where near Zeke as an actual player.
Most of Pollards yards came after Zeke abused that defense for over 100 yards with bruising runs.

He is faster than Zeke and is great in the open field but has no where near Zeke's power to break tackles between the tackles.

Pollard will get stronger in time and may be he will catch Zeke in the next couple seasons but right now that is nonsense.

About as dumb as it gets huh? Nice attitude towards a fellow Cowboys fan.

Quickdraw · Dec 16, 2019

robjay04 said:
Saying a rookie who has already missed a game due to injuries is better than an all pro, two time rushing champ is dragging Zeke down.

Not really. It's just an opinion.

buybuydandavis · Dec 16, 2019

Quickdraw said:
From the start, I've liked this kid. Yesterday was the icing on the cake for me.

Pollard:
12 rushes for 131 yards

Elliot:
24 rushes for 117 yards

To me, the kid is just better than Elliot. Don't get me wrong. I think Elliot is a good back (not work the big contract though). But I think Pollard gives the dynamic of the "break-away" run as evident in his TD run yesterday. If that was Elliot, he goes down or is caught from behind.

Different backs.

You're right about Pollard being the better breakaway back. Great contact balance plus speed equals breakaways. He should be even more dangerous next year if, as is likely, he puts on 5-10 lbs in his first NFL offseason.

The trick is getting them both on the field at the same time. Pollard takes the slot position from Austin. We run a lot more jet sweeps and fake jet sweeps. Put Pollard in motion a lot. Send him deep from the slot too. He needs work in his RB receiving skills. But another serious runner lets us lean on the oline more. Lets us grind down defenses more.

darthseinfeld · Dec 16, 2019

Faster and quicker doesnt mean better

aria · Dec 16, 2019

McKDaddy said:
I get your train of thought and i can certainly understand it especially when you bring in the financial aspect.

I disagree that this oline should be rated 2nd best for the year. I really disagree that other backs would do what he does. He gets more than is blocked on almost every carry. What he did yesterday when he should have been stopped for small gain, no gain or a loss is the difference between 3rd & 8 and 3rd & 3.

Yes, you could put another similar back in there and just looking at stats you might say it was close. But if two or three drives a game stall because of those hidden differences, games are completely different.

That’s certainly true but I don’t see any games that Zeke has won for us. In other words, even if we did get stopped a time or two last night (when in reality Zeke got a few extra yards and a 1st down) I still think we would have won that game rather easily.

As far as 2nd best, those are pretty accurately based on statistics. If people are going to use Zeke’s stats to prove his worth and how great he is than the O lines stats shouldn’t be ignored.

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