Amari Cooper shouldn’t be resigned

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jwooten15 said:
I hear ya, man. It’s frustrating. And in all honesty, I wouldn’t complain too much if the team got him to agree to a shorter term contract. He IS productive, but I’m just fed up with the season in general. Excitement will come back in a month or two
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Yeah, this was one of the most frustrating seasons I can remember mainly because while watching when they sucked I kept thinking " they should and could play so much better than this"...it's 95% coaching to me. I will remain down until I see an A to Z coaching philosophy change. Might not happen as long as Jed is alive...
 
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superonyx said:
Oh is that how it works?

You guys have no clue. Let a defense roll the double to Gallup and then we can all come on here and complain how he disappeared.....

Remember when Dez disappeared? Don't you see a pattern?
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You're 100% correct to assume that Gallup's gets more attention from a defense minus cooper, but that's not the point. Yes this team is better with cooper, but could that $20MM be better spent in free agency? That's money that could fill multiple holes for this team in other areas, such as S and DT than have been neglected for years.

You have an 8-8 team that has to give out a major qb contract, and then make tough choices on jones, cooper, among others. If you pay everyone now you may lose key players down the road, and it seems like wr is among the easier positions to be successful without having a superstar.

For that reason I likely wouldnt pay cooper. Am i right? Who knows. Until we see how else this team would use that money, and how they would backfill coopers roster spot you really cant say.
 
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When things are going well Cooper seems to rise. When the road gets a little bumpy he quickly disappears.

We already have a big play wr with the dropsies (Gallup) I don’t see why a team needs to carry 2 especially for the price it will cost.
 
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thunderpimp91 said:
You're 100% correct to assume that Gallup's gets more attention from a defense minus cooper, but that's not the point. Yes this team is better with cooper, but could that $20MM be better spent in free agency? That's money that could fill multiple holes for this team in other areas, such as S and DT than have been neglected for years.

You have an 8-8 team that has to give out a major qb contract, and then make tough choices on jones, cooper, among others. If you pay everyone now you may lose key players down the road, and it seems like wr is among the easier positions to be successful without having a superstar.

For that reason I likely wouldnt pay cooper. Am i right? Who knows. Until we see how else this team would use that money, and how they would backfill coopers roster spot you really cant say.
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I get what you are saying and I agree we have some holes.
However we don't know what kind of contract Cooper would ultimately take. It could be team friendly and not have the bigger money hit the cap until later in the deal when the cap is higher.
Cooper is young so his deal will most likely spread out over a longer period than a vet DT or safety so the cap hit between 1 Cooper vs the combo of a Safety and DT may actually be in favor of Cooper.

Plus I am not sure what Safeties and DT's are going to be available and worth chasing the FA this coming off season.

I believe the team does have to make some tough choices. I tend to want to keep my young WR who I just gave up a #1 draft pick on and who has made the Pro Bowl 3 out of his 5 years in the league. This feels more right than renting an aging DT and Safety for 2 years.
 
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superonyx said:
I get what you are saying and I agree we have some holes.
However we don't know what kind of contract Cooper would ultimately take. It could be team friendly and not have the bigger money hit the cap until later in the deal when the cap is higher.
Cooper is young so his deal will most likely spread out over a longer period than a vet DT or safety so the cap hit between 1 Cooper vs the combo of a Safety and DT may actually be in favor of Cooper.

Plus I am not sure what Safeties and DT's are going to be available and worth chasing the FA this coming off season.

I believe the team does have to make some tough choices. I tend to want to keep my young WR who I just gave up a #1 draft pick on and who has made the Pro Bowl 3 out of his 5 years in the league. This feels more right than renting an aging DT and Safety for 2 years.
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That's a fair take, and you are completely correct that until we see actual contract numbers it's a moot point. I think we actually agree on quite a bit here, you just value the Wr position more than I do. Honestly if you can get cooper on a team friendly deal I'd do that tomorrow. If not I'll tag/possibly trade and see what's on the market.
 
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He disappears against top corners, so if that continues to happen on playoffs he will. I know he has been hurt, but that is also an issue.
 
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jwooten15 said:
Keep Cobb let Gallup continue to grow. Sign a veteran to fill out the starters and I’d be content.

Amari is terribly inconsistent and seems to lack a passion for the game. Yes, we spent a first rounder on him, but oh well.

If we have decisions on who to pay, it’d make the numbers easier to swallow by letting Cooper walk. To me, he just isn’t worth the $18-20 million he’s gonna want.
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Ya, a Cobb/Gallup combo REALLY scares defenses. lol.
 
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You don't let Amari go this year. We have two tags this year and should use both.
 
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superonyx said:
Feel free to prove anything I said wrong. I completely carved your weak arse points up like a thanksgiving turkey.
Don't be vague. Disprove what I said.

Stop coming here trying to spread you emotional man baby over reactionary BS with zero facts to support and I'll stop making you look like the fool.

Good luck.
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I can tell you must have trouble with literacy, so I’ll keep it simple for you. Go back to the list of WR I listed.

They all produce/produced, regardless of scheme. You think Michael Thomas is only good because the saints work him open? You think TO was a product of his coaches scheming him open? Name any top WR in any era. They were successful on their own, and coaching HELPED make them even better. Doesn’t matter the system, doesn’t matter the extra coverage.

Coaching is not everything. I’ll write that twice to make sure you understand that. Coaching is not everything. By your flawed logic, Jerry Rice would have sucked here if he played under Garrett because of scheme deficiencies. That makes no sense whatsoever.


So yeah, use your infinite football wisdom to keep schooling me. But I’m done entertaining your provocations. Go pretend to be smart with someone else.
 

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jwooten15 said:
Keep Cobb let Gallup continue to grow. Sign a veteran to fill out the starters and I’d be content.

Amari is terribly inconsistent and seems to lack a passion for the game. Yes, we spent a first rounder on him, but oh well.

If we have decisions on who to pay, it’d make the numbers easier to swallow by letting Cooper walk. To me, he just isn’t worth the $18-20 million he’s gonna want.
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Amari is a true 1# receiver when healthy. Without Amari Dak looked atrocious. I wouldn't make him the highest paid receiver in the league but would like to keep him. I believe Amari has been playing at less than 100% this year he was a little banged up.
 
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I think I'd just like to see Cooper with an OC that isn't a greenhorn for a year, one that will call plays to effectively use his route running. I DO think Linnehan was better for Amari. The drop off in types of plays called that took advantage of Amari's route running was obvious to me anyways. Not saying I want Linnehan back LOL, just saying someone with some experience with the type of receivers we have. If McCarthy doesn't get a HC gig, I think he'd help our offense as an OC. Guess we need to see how the coaching thing goes.
 
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stiletto said:
I know you are asking the other poster but Amari made $13 million this year. I'd be comfortable at $16 per longer term, $18 per for 3 yr deal. Last year option. Not @ $20. He can walk for that....
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To be honest I was never a TO or Dez fan for various reasons. But for that kind of money I would want my #1, highest paid WR to NOT be benched on 4th and 8 with the season on the line because they sucked all day. And I would fully expect them to rant and rave about it on the sideline instead of a shrug and "Welp, watchya going to do?"

I mean could you imagine what would have happened with those guys in that scenario?
 
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Romotil45 said:
Amari is a true 1# receiver when healthy. Without Amari Dak looked atrocious. I wouldn't make him the highest paid receiver in the league but would like to keep him. I believe Amari has been playing at less than 100% this year he was a little banged up.
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Amari was hurt all year... and Dak didn't look atrocious...
 
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stiletto said:
I know you are asking the other poster but Amari made $13 million this year. I'd be comfortable at $16 per longer term, $18 per for 3 yr deal. Last year option. Not @ $20. He can walk for that....
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I would be willing to go $16 on a short term 2 or 3 year deal.

He is the best WR we have, but he disappears like Casper on the road. That concerns me. I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was hurt, but that is why I am only going a short term deal. If he does his disappearing act next year, I can cut bait on the dude.

Now if he wants $18-$20...……...get the hell out, the door is to your left.
 
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NumOneQB said:
He hasn’t been 100% since week 8. You sign the guy, he’s your legite #1.
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He never has been and never will be 100% healthy for the regular season. It was like that with the Raiders too. You don't pay part time WRs full-time money. I like Cooper but his $$ is better spent elsewhere. Who was the Eagles big dollar WR last weekend? They were all no-name WRs that beat us. We need good coaching, not overpriced WRs...
 
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