1:24 on the clock

[ConstantReboot]

Thats total bs Do you to "coach up" a reciever to catch a ball that hits him in his hands? No! These guys have played for years, if he don't know not to hold, then a coach saying, do not hold, isnt going to change things. The player was stupid, and blaming any coach for him holding is just stupid agenda.

Still I would have ran it straight up the middle. Coaches need to relay that message to protect the ball and not get fancy with it.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Who said we need a first down? All we need to do was run out as much time on the clock as possible. Then we can punt the ball. No one said that we need a 1st down.

You take away the option of getting a first down and ending the game if you kneel down. Nevermind you lose a yard on a fg that already isn't a chip shot.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Still I would have ran it straight up the middle. Coaches need to relay that message to protect the ball and not get fancy with it.

Did you watch the game?

The call was a run up the gut. Randle tried to bounce it which caused the hold.

 

[Gibby!]

This is why you don't let your emotions control you (a la Dez), they tend to cloud your memory and judgement:
1st and 10 at DET 31 J.Randle right end to DET 34 for -3 yards (D.Levy; S.Tulloch).
Timeout #2 by DET at 01:19.
2nd and 13 at DET 34 P.Tanner left end to DET 35 for -1 yards (Tr.Lewis).
Timeout #3 by DET at 01:14.
3rd and 14 at DET 35 P.Tanner up the middle to DET 26 for 9 yards (R.McIntosh). Penalty on DAL-T.Smith, Offensive Holding, declined.
Clock stopped by penalty.
4th and 5 at DET 26 D.Bailey 44 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.
1:07
The only thing Garrett could have done differently is knelt on it instead of try to have his players get a first down and seal the game, you know, play to win the game... The result would have been almost identical they were at the one with 12 seconds left. No penalty on third down and this is completely different topic of conversation.

Whatev's... The whiney wagon is gonna be full this week.

 

[ConstantReboot]

the OP is wrong, it was 3rd down and no timeouts. I agree should have been a kneel down and let the time run down and then kick the FG

ummm thats what I said really. I would have done a knell down and run time off the clock.

 

[percyhoward]

If we kneel down 3 times, it's either a 51-yard FG attempt or a punt with about 30 seconds left.

If you miss the FG, the Lions have to go 36 yards (to tie) in about 25 seconds. This is easily doable, and even likely.

If you make the FG, the Lions have to go probably about 65 yards (after the squib kick) in about 17 seconds.

But do you even attempt the FG?

Because if not, and you punt, and the Lions get the ball at their 20 with about 25 seconds left, they only need 50 yards to get into FG range for the tie. They ended up covering 57 yards in less than 25 seconds anyway.

But again, that's for a tie.

 

[Nav22]

Hahaha... classic case of the fans blaming the coach just because the players didn't execute.

Psst... linemen can commit penalties on inside runs, outside runs, short passes, deep passes, hail marys, flea flickers, end-arounds, reverses, and the annexation of Puerto Rico.

Pretty absurd to blame a coach for calling a certain kind of play because a player committed a dumb penalty. Smith committed a monster penalty, it hurt us dearly, and it was 100% his fault. Nobody else's.

Kneeling in that situation isn't really the smart call because less time would come off the clock and we'd be punting afterwards. Don't commit a penalty and the run call would've worked out beautifully.

 

[tecolote]

This is why you don't let your emotions control you (a la Dez), they tend to cloud your memory and judgement:
1st and 10 at DET 31 J.Randle right end to DET 34 for -3 yards (D.Levy; S.Tulloch).
Timeout #2 by DET at 01:19.
2nd and 13 at DET 34 P.Tanner left end to DET 35 for -1 yards (Tr.Lewis).
Timeout #3 by DET at 01:14.
3rd and 14 at DET 35 P.Tanner up the middle to DET 26 for 9 yards (R.McIntosh). Penalty on DAL-T.Smith, Offensive Holding, declined.
Clock stopped by penalty.
4th and 5 at DET 26 D.Bailey 44 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-L.Ladouceur, Holder-C.Jones.
1:07
The only thing Garrett could have done differently is knelt on it instead of try to have his players get a first down and seal the game, you know, play to win the game... The result would have been almost identical they were at the one with 12 seconds left. No penalty on third down and this is completely different topic of conversation.

Whatev's... The whiney wagon is gonna be full this week.

If Tony kneels on 3rd down we win the game, period.

 

[tecolote]

If we kneel down 3 times, it's either a 51-yard FG attempt or a punt with about 30 seconds left.

If you miss the FG, the Lions have to go 36 yards (to tie) in about 25 seconds. This is easily doable, and even likely.

If you make the FG, the Lions have to go probably about 65 yards (after the squib kick) in about 17 seconds.

But do you even attempt the FG?

Because if not, and you punt, and the Lions get the ball at their 20 with about 25 seconds left, they only need 50 yards to get into FG range for the tie. They ended up covering 57 yards in less than 25 seconds anyway.

But again, that's for a tie.

I think they took 29 seconds to get in fg range, from 1:02 to :33, so that would've been the ball game.

 

[Randy White]

No matter how many times this guy has been told that it was NOT a designed run play to the outside, he still blaming Garrett because the running back took it outside.

 

[Doomsay]

Smith may be a total idiot, but its the coaching staffs job to educate player on situational football. Of course, that's hard when the coaches themselves struggle with situational football.

In Tony's helmet speaker "tell everyone no fumbles and no penalties, we have this game in hand if we don't make any mistakes, draw down the clock and run up the middle" Doubt that happened.

 

[Randy White]

If Tony kneels on 3rd down we win the game, period.

If Scandrick would have done his job, we win the game, period.

 

[links18]

Thats total bs Do you to "coach up" a reciever to catch a ball that hits him in his hands? No! These guys have played for years, if he don't know not to hold, then a coach saying, do not hold, isnt going to change things. The player was stupid, and blaming any coach for him holding is just stupid agenda.

Then its the coaches fault for relying on players so stupid not to know basic situational football. Getting a holding call there was as bad as running out of bounds. Someone's head should roll.

 

[links18]

In Tony's helmet speaker "tell everyone no fumbles and no penalties, we have this game in hand if we don't make any mistakes, draw down the clock and run up the middle" Doubt that happened.

I doubt it either, but blaming the coach is just a stupid agenda for the Garrett apologists.

 

[Coy]

You take away the option of getting a first down and ending the game if you kneel down. Nevermind you lose a yard on a fg that already isn't a chip shot.

If that were the case, should have punted it, not gone for the fg.

 

[percyhoward]

I think they took 29 seconds to get in fg range, from 1:02 to :33, so that would've been the ball game.

That's assuming they try a dump off to Bush with only 25 seconds left. No reason to think they would.

The 17-yarder in bounds to Johnson, and the spike that followed took 16 seconds, then the pass to Durham covered 40 yards and took 7 seconds.

That sets them up with a 40-yarder to tie. But it's important that it's only to tie.

 

[Coy]

If Scandrick would have done his job, we win the game, period.

Not a good argument. ROMO SHOULD HAVE KNEELED DOWN ON 3RD AND 14, the negatives on running it in that situation fairly outweigh the positives.

 

[links18]

Did you watch the game?

The call was a run up the gut. Randle tried to bounce it which caused the hold.

Um, did you watch the game? It was Tanner not Randle.

 

[Coy]

That's assuming they try a dump off to Bush with only 25 seconds left. No reason to think they would.

The 17-yarder in bounds to Johnson, and the spike that followed took 16 seconds, then the pass to Durham covered 40 yards and took 7 seconds.

That sets them up with a 40-yarder to tie. But it's important that it's only to tie.

Exactly

 

[RamziD]

Tanner shouldn't have bounced outside...just churn and get as much up the middle as you can and take time off the clock.