1:24 on the clock

[Tabascocat]

First, you don't just take a knee. You try to run time of the clock and then try to get a first down through the running game.
Second, Garrett didn't run the ball to the outside. The Cowboys running back bounced it outside.
Third, Garrett didn't call the holding play, cause the holding play nor is he responsible for the holding play. The player who held is responsible for the holding play.

Yes, Garrett called a questionable game. But don't blame the rain on Garrett.

As the Head Coach, he needs to anticipate what is most likely to happen. Facing 3rd and 14, the defense knows you are going to run(big hint is because Dez was on the sidelines). So, why run if you know that they know you are going to run again? This was set-up for failure as soon as 2nd down was finished. In this case, it would be best to just kneel it and not risk any further damage if a 1st was not going to happen. Dallas did not even try to get the first down, that was apparent. The only hope was for our RB to mistakenly get it knowing they were stuffing the run.

This is situational football which Garrett is bad at. I know, as well as most teams, Dallas will not try to instill their will and get the first to end the game. History suggests that they would do just what they did, run..run...run. Hence, Detroit banked on that fact and got the ball back. This fault lies on the HC(Garrett) and should have just knelt it when facing the 3rd and long.

The defense played bad but the offense had the ball with a chance to ice it and they failed.

 

[tyke1doe]

If Tony kneels on 3rd down we win the game, period.

And you know this how? There's still 50 seconds on the clock when we punt, under that scenario.
Who's to say the Lions don't return the punt to the 40? Then they're closer to a tying field goal or a Hail Mary to Calvin Johnson.
The holding penalty messed up that series. It's not the fact that we didn't kneel down.

 

[links18]

Its pretty sad that you might have to kneel down because you are scared one of your players might make a completely brain dead penalty. Of course, one of our players did make a bone headed, back breaking, game changing penalty.

 

[tecolote]

I think that overstates it a bit. Three kneel downs gets you no worse than OT, while running it gives you a chance at a first down, albeit a slim one.

This doesn't seem cut-and-dried to me.

I agree, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, I just think that if you play the percentages kneeling down at 3rd and 14 would've given the team the best chance to come out with a win.

 

[tecolote]

And you know this how? There's still 50 seconds on the clock when we punt, under that scenario.
Who's to say the Lions don't return the punt to the 40? Then they're closer to a tying field goal or a Hail Mary to Calvin Johnson.
The holding penalty messed up that series. It's not the fact that we didn't kneel down.

You are wrong, I posted this earlier,

It was 3rd and 14 with 1:14 on the clock at the 35, let's say Tony takes the ball back some 10 yards to the 45 and kneels down taking some 7 or 8 seconds off the clock, that leaves 1:07 plus the 40 (you take the delay of game) that leaves 27 seconds before the punt. Say the punt takes 6 seconds and you leave Detroit at the 20 at best with 21 seconds without a TO. thats the ball game right there.

 

[Plankton]

You are wrong, I posted this earlier,

It was 3rd and 14 with 1:14 on the clock at the 35, let's say Tony takes the ball back some 10 yards to the 45 and kneels down taking some 7 or 8 seconds off the clock, that leaves 1:07 plus the 40 (you take the delay of game) that leaves 27 seconds before the punt. Say the punt takes 6 seconds and you leave Detroit at the 20 at best with 21 seconds without a TO. thats the ball game right there.

Inside the last two minutes, after a clock stoppage, the clock doesn't start on a punt until it is touched by the opposing team. Not a given that any time would go off the clock in that scenario.

 

[Avaj]

Call me crazy, but with 12 seconds left I thought it was possible to get a throw down field & out of bounds then a field goal. Seems like they didn't have a plan for the last few seconds.

 

[Spectre]

This is the kind of nonsense i'm talking about.

Kneel down?

Concede the off chance of getting a 1st down?

Silly.

We don't get that hold and the Lions have 20 seconds to drive for a TD.

But it's Garret's fault.

Went on the road against a good team...dropped 30 on their head...lose on a last minute drive that doesn't occur if not for a holding call.

And heck i'm not a blame the ref kind of guy. But I won't lie. Was furious on that Scandrik PI....which was the same exact situation that occurred earlier in the day when the refs picked up the flag.

But whatever. Blame Garret. Let's get another coach. Start all over. Hey let's switch defensive and offensive schemes while we are at it. And then in the 3 years it takes to get personnel in place let's start over!

Nitpicking specific plays as the purpose for the loss is silly and enitrely hindisght- agreed.

The simple fact to me is the overall tendency of this team to fall into a state of 'we got it in the bag' or 'we just did enough to seal it' whenever they make a big play and/or have a one-score lead near the end of a game. Even the announcers started commenting on how we basically have a winning record over the first half of a season, for the first time in years- a disturbing fact worth discussing elsewhere.

 

[tecolote]

Inside the last two minutes, after a clock stoppage, the clock doesn't start on a punt until it is touched by the opposing team. Not a given that any time would go off the clock in that scenario.

Really? I thought that was only in kickoffs. I think you maybe wrong on that one.

 

[tyke1doe]

You are wrong, I posted this earlier,

It was 3rd and 14 with 1:14 on the clock at the 35, let's say Tony takes the ball back some 10 yards to the 45 and kneels down taking some 7 or 8 seconds off the clock, that leaves 1:07 plus the 40 (you take the delay of game) that leaves 27 seconds before the punt. Say the punt takes 6 seconds and you leave Detroit at the 20 at best with 21 seconds without a TO. thats the ball game right there.

Why is your quarterback going to backpedal 10 yards and risk a fumble? Who does that?
You're playing fantasy football. And that's the problem with your scenario. You're using an unrealistic scenario to calculate how to burn time off the clock.
If Tanner doesn't bounce the ball to the outside and the holding penalty doesn't happen, we run enough time off the clock to punt it back to the Lions with about 30-20 seconds remaining.
You don't kneel on the ball with 1:14 left on third down.

And all this assumes the Lions don't try to block the punt, which is another possibly.

 

[links18]

Why is your quarterback going to backpedal 10 yards and risk a fumble? Who does that?
You're playing fantasy football. And that's the problem with your scenario. You're using an unrealistic scenario to calculate how to burn time off the clock.
If Tanner doesn't bounce the ball to the outside and the holding penalty doesn't happen, we run enough time off the clock to punt it back to the Lions with about 30-20 seconds remaining.
You don't kneel on the ball with 1:14 left on third down.

And all this assumes the Lions don't try to block the punt, which is another possibly.

So Tanner was wrong for trying to get more yards?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

If holding happens on every play, why did the refs call it at that time in that situation knowing the clock would be stopped? If he held, he held. But damn we get the **** end of the officiating stick.

 

[Idgit]

..With that said, I'm not surprised we found a way to muck it up. If anything, I'm surprised Tanner didn't find a way to run out of bounds on his run. Our situational football IQ remains incredibly suspect, lending to moments like those where Smith holds in a situation where seemingly his primary assignment is not to do just that.

*That's* what I was worried about. I was so happy to see him cut back upfield there. When I saw the flag, I couldn't believe it. How can that stuff be happening in that situation? It's almost unbelievable.

 

[links18]

If holding happens on every play, why did the refs call it at that time in that situation knowing the clock would be stopped? If he held, he held. But damn we get the **** end of the officiating stick.

Because Tyron grabbed two fistfuls of jersey right in front of the ref.

 

[Tabascocat]

Call me crazy, but with 12 seconds left I thought it was possible to get a throw down field & out of bounds then a field goal. Seems like they didn't have a plan for the last few seconds.

Your not crazy, was a feeble last play attempt.

 

[tyke1doe]

As the Head Coach, he needs to anticipate what is most likely to happen. Facing 3rd and 14, the defense knows you are going to run(big hint is because Dez was on the sidelines). So, why run if you know that they know you are going to run again? This was set-up for failure as soon as 2nd down was finished. In this case, it would be best to just kneel it and not risk any further damage if a 1st was not going to happen. Dallas did not even try to get the first down, that was apparent. The only hope was for our RB to mistakenly get it knowing they were stuffing the run.

This is situational football which Garrett is bad at. I know, as well as most teams, Dallas will not try to instill their will and get the first to end the game. History suggests that they would do just what they did, run..run...run. Hence, Detroit banked on that fact and got the ball back. This fault lies on the HC(Garrett) and should have just knelt it when facing the 3rd and long.

The defense played bad but the offense had the ball with a chance to ice it and they failed.

Again, this is all second-guessing. Most coaches would have run the ball because you're playing the odds at that point. You're not assuming you'll get a holding penalty. That's just silly.

If we run the ball, there's no holding and we run the clock down, we likely win the game. That's what Garrett was thinking, not "What if my running back bounces outside and my loyal LT holds." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[Plankton]

Really? I thought that was only in kickoffs. I think you maybe wrong on that one.

Now that I'm reading the rules, I am wrong.

What you were proposing above sounds reasonable. However, I have no problem with the playcalling. A first down wins the game. Smith not losing his mind would have resulted in the same.

 

[tecolote]

Why is your quarterback going to backpedal 10 yards and risk a fumble? Who does that?
You're playing fantasy football. And that's the problem with your scenario. You're using an unrealistic scenario to calculate how to burn time off the clock.
If Tanner doesn't bounce the ball to the outside and the holding penalty doesn't happen, we run enough time off the clock to punt it back to the Lions with about 30-20 seconds remaining.
You don't kneel on the ball with 1:14 left on third down.

And all this assumes the Lions don't try to block the punt, which is another possibly.

He is just taking a few steps back, something he does everytime he has ever thrown a pass and has never in his life fumbled doing so.

Unrealistic? The Raiders had the ball with 1:16 on the clock on a third down today, the exact scenario as Dallas but they were at the 50, they ran a play down the middlefor no gain, then took the delay of game and punted. Pitt got the ball inside the 10 with 18 seconds left. Again, that happened today. So not only is my scenario not unrealistic, it was probably pessimistic.

 

[tyke1doe]

So Tanner was wrong for trying to get more yards?

No, he's not wrong for trying to get more yards. I'm simply acknowledging what happened on that play.

 

[Staubacher]

Your not crazy, was a feeble last play attempt.

There were only 7 seconds not 12 when the offense got the ball. Thanks to Bosworth trying to return a kick for 5 seconds.