1:24 on the clock

[links18]

That's assuming they try a dump off to Bush with only 25 seconds left. No reason to think they would.

The 17-yarder in bounds to Johnson, and the spike that followed took 16 seconds, then the pass to Durham covered 40 yards and took 7 seconds.

That sets them up with a 40-yarder to tie. But it's important that it's only to tie.

Part of me wants to think it would have been better to be up 3 instead of 6, thus forcing the Lions to score 7 for the win. Maybe if they are only down three, they play for the tie?

 

[percyhoward]

Exactly

I have the advantage of being indifferent where Garrett is concerned, but there is no doubt that OT is preferable to a loss.

 

[loublue22]

if you decline a penalty, the clock should run

what a moronic rule

 

[links18]

if you decline a penalty, the clock should run

what a moronic rule

Essentially, you get penalized anyway. But thems the rules......

 

[jobberone]

Still I would have ran it straight up the middle. Coaches need to relay that message to protect the ball and not get fancy with it.

Why do you keep saying that? The ball can be stripped or fumbled up the middle just as easily as outside. Tanner did the right thing trying to get the first down which ends the game. Instead Smith decided he had to hold which stopped the clock. Otherwise they probably win.

You can make a case of going for the first down if there is no hold and the previous run gives you makable down and distance. That's probably not going to happen as most likely you would need to throw the ball and a pick six there makes you truly a goat. You could also argue a small pooch punt could be tried but a fair catch stops the clock so that's not really viable although you might put them inside the ten or even five. That way opens you up to leaving them to only make a FG to tie the game so that's problematic.

After the hold and the clock stopping there was little choice other than go for it knowing an incomplete pass stops he clock and gives them better field position or even an interception and return. Garrett did the only sensible thing. They just moved the ball all the way down the field in very little time. The defense should have stopped them. Kneeling down is not in any coaches thoughts there.

 

[KB1122]

20/20 hidnsight. It was the right call.

 

[loublue22]

Essentially, you get penalized anyway. But thems the rules......

I know why it exists. The more reasons there are to stop the clock at the end of a game, the better the chances are of an "exciting" ending like what we saw today.

but it makes no logical sense

 

[KingLerxst]

Had there not been a penalty on that last run we end up with roughly the same amount of time left on the clock as we would have in the kneel down scenario. Actually. Kneeling down on all three plays runs less time as it takes at least a second or two longer to actually run a play then to just kneel down. Plus. You probably don't get three points due to the lost yardage. Which leaves Detroit only needing a FG to tie. After all. They did manage to move the ball 60 yards in 30 seconds on that last drive. plenty of time to get in to game tying FG range even starting on their own 20 with 40 seconds left.Damned if you do damned if you don't.

And to those that think the staff doesn't coach the players not to get penalties in those situations. How do you know they don't? Just because you coach,teach or tell a player not to do something,doesn't mean he'll necessarily remember that in the heat of battle.Again. Players ultimately have to execute.

Numerous mistakes were made which cost us this game. The defense allowing Durham to get 40 yards behind them being one of the biggest mistakes. Or how about not lining up correctly and allowing Stafford to just stick the ball over the goal line. Instead,they just assume he's going to clock it. Got out smarted there.
I know it's the simplest answer to just blame a coach or more specifically play calling because the team didnt execute in the final minutes. But it's usually not the correct answer.

 

[Red Dragon]

There was 1:24 on the clock on first and 10. Any experienced coach would have taken the knee and try and run out the clock. .

How many coaches can you name who have actually done that in a game - kneel when still around the 30-yard line and only up by 3 points with well over a minute left on the clock?

 

[BHendri5]

Tanner shouldn't have bounced outside...just churn and get as much up the middle as you can and take time off the clock.

thank you, tanner bounced outsied on his own. that is why Garrett is always talking about getting the RKG, guys who love football and who are intelligent. Losing Waters hurt our OL. This is not being mentioned, Church and Mcray were out on that last drive, do not know if they would have made a difference, Scnadrick should not have been beaten like that and the safety should have been there to close that hole, on both passes to Durham and Megatron

 

[BHendri5]

Garrett, was not to blame

 

[tecolote]

Why do you keep saying that? The ball can be stripped or fumbled up the middle just as easily as outside. Tanner did the right thing trying to get the first down which ends the game. Instead Smith decided he had to hold which stopped the clock. Otherwise they probably win.

You can make a case of going for the first down if there is no hold and the previous run gives you makable down and distance. That's probably not going to happen as most likely you would need to throw the ball and a pick six there makes you truly a goat. You could also argue a small pooch punt could be tried but a fair catch stops the clock so that's not really viable although you might put them inside the ten or even five. That way opens you up to leaving them to only make a FG to tie the game so that's problematic.

After the hold and the clock stopping there was little choice other than go for it knowing an incomplete pass stops he clock and gives them better field position or even an interception and return. Garrett did the only sensible thing. They just moved the ball all the way down the field in very little time. The defense should have stopped them. Kneeling down is not in any coaches thoughts there.

A lot of people, including me, shouted at the TV for Garrett to kneel down on the 3rd and 14, there was no way they were going to get a first down running down the middle, only bad things could happen if they did. And guess what? One of those bad things happened, and we lost.

I can't state this enough, all we needed for a win was for the QB to take a knee.

 

[links18]

And to those that think the staff doesn't coach the players not to get penalties in those situations. How do you know they don't? Just because you coach,teach or tell a player not to do something,doesn't mean he'll necessarily remember that in the heat of battle.Again. Players ultimately have to execute.

.

Either way there is a problem. Either the coaches aren't doing their job or the players aren't listening to their coaches. It doesn't make me feel any better about it.

 

[tecolote]

Had there not been a penalty on that last run we end up with roughly the same amount of time left on the clock as we would have in the kneel down scenario. Actually. Kneeling down on all three plays runs less time as it takes at least a second or two longer to actually run a play then to just kneel down. Plus. You probably don't get three points due to the lost yardage. Which leaves Detroit only needing a FG to tie. After all. They did manage to move the ball 60 yards in 30 seconds on that last drive. plenty of time to get in to game tying FG range even starting on their own 20 with 40 seconds left.Damned if you do damned if you don't.

And to those that think the staff doesn't coach the players not to get penalties in those situations. How do you know they don't? Just because you coach,teach or tell a player not to do something,doesn't mean he'll necessarily remember that in the heat of battle.Again. Players ultimately have to execute.

Numerous mistakes were made which cost us this game. The defense allowing Durham to get 40 yards behind them being one of the biggest mistakes. Or how about not lining up correctly and allowing Stafford to just stick the ball over the goal line. Instead,they just assume he's going to clock it. Got out smarted there.
I know it's the simplest answer to just blame a coach or more specifically play calling because the team didnt execute in the final minutes. But it's usually not the correct answer.

I posted this earlier in the thread,

It was 3rd and 14 with 1:14 on the clock at the 35, let's say Tony takes the ball back some 10 yards to the 45 and kneels down taking some 7 or 8 seconds off the clock, that leaves 1:07 plus the 40 (you take the delay of game) that leaves 27 seconds before the punt. Say the punt takes 6 seconds and you leave Detroit at the 20 at best with 21 seconds without a TO. thats the ball game right there.

All we needed to win was for our QB to take a knee, how sad is that.

Am I wrong? This is a serious question, I would really like to know if you disagree with what I wrote.

 

[tyke1doe]

There was 1:24 on the clock on first and 10. Any experienced coach would have taken the knee and try and run out the clock. But no not Garrett. He had to try and run it outside thus causing a holding penalty to be called on our tackle.

Had we just ran out the clock like any smart coach would have done this game would have been over. This is a coaching blunder of massive proportion folks. This game in on Garrett pure and simple.

First, you don't just take a knee. You try to run time of the clock and then try to get a first down through the running game.
Second, Garrett didn't run the ball to the outside. The Cowboys running back bounced it outside.
Third, Garrett didn't call the holding play, cause the holding play nor is he responsible for the holding play. The player who held is responsible for the holding play.

Yes, Garrett called a questionable game. But don't blame the rain on Garrett.

 

[percyhoward]

I can't state this enough, all we needed for a win was for the QB to take a knee.

I think that overstates it a bit. Three kneel downs gets you no worse than OT, while running it gives you a chance at a first down, albeit a slim one.

This doesn't seem cut-and-dried to me.

 

[George]

The playcalling was not the issue. It rarely is.

The issue was twofold:

1. This team cannot gain any tough yards on the ground when they absolutely have to. The offensive line as a group still cannot run block well.
2. Tyron Smith committed a completely brain dead penalty.

Couple this with no pass rush on defense, and Scandrick allowing Kris Durham to get behind him for 40 yards, and you have the recipe for a defeat.

I disagree. We do predictable things the great majority of the time on offense. We needed to control the ball and hence the clock. We ran plays Detroit knew were coming. We gave the ball back to Detroit with our defense playing terrible. We should have taken chances while we had the ball. We didn't. We lose. People on this board who say we "play to lose" are correct.

 

[tyke1doe]

Had there not been a penalty on that last run we end up with roughly the same amount of time left on the clock as we would have in the kneel down scenario. Actually. Kneeling down on all three plays runs less time as it takes at least a second or two longer to actually run a play then to just kneel down. Plus. You probably don't get three points due to the lost yardage. Which leaves Detroit only needing a FG to tie. After all. They did manage to move the ball 60 yards in 30 seconds on that last drive. plenty of time to get in to game tying FG range even starting on their own 20 with 40 seconds left.Damned if you do damned if you don't.

And to those that think the staff doesn't coach the players not to get penalties in those situations. How do you know they don't? Just because you coach,teach or tell a player not to do something,doesn't mean he'll necessarily remember that in the heat of battle.Again. Players ultimately have to execute.

Numerous mistakes were made which cost us this game. The defense allowing Durham to get 40 yards behind them being one of the biggest mistakes. Or how about not lining up correctly and allowing Stafford to just stick the ball over the goal line. Instead,they just assume he's going to clock it. Got out smarted there.
I know it's the simplest answer to just blame a coach or more specifically play calling because the team didnt execute in the final minutes. But it's usually not the correct answer.

Good post.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Why do you keep saying that? The ball can be stripped or fumbled up the middle just as easily as outside. Tanner did the right thing trying to get the first down which ends the game. Instead Smith decided he had to hold which stopped the clock. Otherwise they probably win.

You can make a case of going for the first down if there is no hold and the previous run gives you makable down and distance. That's probably not going to happen as most likely you would need to throw the ball and a pick six there makes you truly a goat. You could also argue a small pooch punt could be tried but a fair catch stops the clock so that's not really viable although you might put them inside the ten or even five. That way opens you up to leaving them to only make a FG to tie the game so that's problematic.

After the hold and the clock stopping there was little choice other than go for it knowing an incomplete pass stops he clock and gives them better field position or even an interception and return. Garrett did the only sensible thing. They just moved the ball all the way down the field in very little time. The defense should have stopped them. Kneeling down is not in any coaches thoughts there.

Why do you keep saying that? The ball can be stripped or fumbled up the middle just as easily as outside. Tanner did the right thing trying to get the first down which ends the game. Instead Smith decided he had to hold which stopped the clock. Otherwise they probably win.

You can make a case of going for the first down if there is no hold and the previous run gives you makable down and distance. That's probably not going to happen as most likely you would need to throw the ball and a pick six there makes you truly a goat. You could also argue a small pooch punt could be tried but a fair catch stops the clock so that's not really viable although you might put them inside the ten or even five. That way opens you up to leaving them to only make a FG to tie the game so that's problematic.

After the hold and the clock stopping there was little choice other than go for it knowing an incomplete pass stops he clock and gives them better field position or even an interception and return. Garrett did the only sensible thing. They just moved the ball all the way down the field in very little time. The defense should have stopped them. Kneeling down is not in any coaches thoughts there.

I would have run the ball straight up the middle rather than allow my running back to take it outside and risk a fumble or running out of bounds. But that is just me. Especially 3rd and 14. Sure Tanner may or may not have done the right thing. But I would play it safe. Running up the middle would be a safe play thus allowing us to chew more time off the clock.

 

[Plankton]

I disagree. We do predictable things the great majority of the time on offense. We needed to control the ball and hence the clock. We ran plays Detroit knew were coming. We gave the ball back to Detroit with our defense playing terrible. We should have taken chances while we had the ball. We didn't. We lose. People on this board who say we "play to lose" are correct.

Predictable playcalling? Absolutely laughable.

The Jimmy Johnson Cowboys were as predictable as can be on offense. They ran lead draw almost all the time on run downs, yet it couldn't be stopped.

Lombardi's Packers had the simplest, most predictable offense of his time, and when it came down to it, it couldn't be stopped.

The playcalling wasn't the problem - it was the execution. And, Tyron Smith losing his mind and committing a holding penalty.