1:24 on the clock

[links18]

* How can that stuff be happening in that situation? It's almost unbelievable.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? What's your explanation?

 

[tyke1doe]

He is just taking a few steps back, something he does everytime he has ever thrown a pass and has never in his life fumbled doing so.

You said 10 yards back. A few steps is not 10 steps back.

Unrealistic? The Raiders had the ball with 1:16 on the clock on a third down today, the exact scenario as Dallas but they were at the 50, they ran a play down the middlefor no gain, then took the delay of game and punted. Pitt got the ball inside the 10 with 18 seconds left. Again, that happened today. So not only is my scenario not unrealistic, it was probably pessimistic.

I'm sorry, but did the Raiders take 10 steps back and run out the clock? It was not the exact same scenario. They ran the ball and didn't get a penalty. Then they were in a position to run the clock down further. That's not what happened to the Cowboys.[/quote][/quote]

 

[ConstantReboot]

Predictable playcalling? Absolutely laughable.

The Jimmy Johnson Cowboys were as predictable as can be on offense. They ran lead draw almost all the time on run downs, yet it couldn't be stopped.

Lombardi's Packers had the simplest, most predictable offense of his time, and when it came down to it, it couldn't be stopped.

The playcalling wasn't the problem - it was the execution. And, Tyron Smith losing his mind and committing a holding penalty.

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I don't agree with the kneel-down notion. With Detroit still possessing a timeout and us out of field-goal range prior to Tanner's penalty-inducing run, three kneel downs would have still left the need to punt and roughly 30 seconds on the clock. Plus, a run play inherently takes a few extra seconds off the clock than a kneel down.

With that said, I'm not surprised we found a way to muck it up. If anything, I'm surprised Tanner didn't find a way to run out of bounds on his run. Our situational football IQ remains incredibly suspect, lending to moments like those where Smith holds in a situation where seemingly his primary assignment is not to do just that.

I all for running it but not outside where Tanner ran. I thought he was going to fumble the ball or just get tackled out of bounds. Thus stopping the clock. They should have run it straight up the middle where there are less chances of a foul up. Because after three runs to these fumble pron running backs, I knew that something bad was going to happen. Unfortunately, something bad did happen.

I come to the agreement that it wasn't the coach that was at fault here. However, our offense was awful. Certainly, we can find ways to get the ball to Dez.

There are many reasons why we lost and it started to add up in the end. Blame goes out to the entire team including players. But bad coaching is what stuck out the most IMO.

 

[Tabascocat]

There were only 7 seconds not 12 when the offense got the ball. Thanks to Bosworth trying to return a kick for 5 seconds.

ok, thought 12, was spitting my Copenhagen out in disgust when they kicked-off

 

[Staubacher]

ok, thought 12, was spitting my Copenhagen out in disgust when they kicked-off

Bosworth was stupid on that play. He took 5 seconds to run out of bounds like the clock wouldn't be stopped anyway. Our team completely melted down there. If he kneels down on the squib we have it on like the 25 with 11 seconds and a timeout. Time for 2 passing plays and hopefully a very long Fg attempt. At least some hope. god our players are stupid and that goes back to the HC not screaming at them what to do, but rather being passive and over his head.

 

[Tabascocat]

Again, this is all second-guessing. Most coaches would have run the ball because you're playing the odds at that point. You're not assuming you'll get a holding penalty. That's just silly.

If we run the ball, there's no holding and we run the clock down, we likely win the game. That's what Garrett was thinking, not "What if my running back bounces outside and my loyal LT holds." Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

It wasn't second guessing for me at the time. I knew what play was coming next and it was a run to just burn time off the clock, not to try and get the first. They put themselves in a hole and did not try to dig out of it and were going to settle for time being clocked.

If you just want to burn time, kneel the darn ball.

 

[tecolote]

You said 10 yards back. A few steps is not 10 steps back.



I'm sorry, but did the Raiders take 10 steps back and run out the clock? It was not the exact same scenario. They ran the ball and didn't get a penalty. Then they were in a position to run the clock down further. That's not what happened to the Cowboys.

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Ok, let's make it a 7 step drop, qb's do that all the time.

They did not get a penalty but McFadden fumbled the ball on first down, he then recovered it, but that was probably one of the only ways they could've lost the game. They should have kneeled down too. But they are the Raiders.

Anyway, I brought that up to show that the burning of the clock in my scenario was pretty reasonable.

 

[tyke1doe]

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I all for running it but not outside where Tanner ran. I thought he was going to fumble the ball or just get tackled out of bounds. Thus stopping the clock. They should have run it straight up the middle where there are less chances of a foul up. Because after three runs to these fumble pron running backs, I knew that something bad was going to happen. Unfortunately, something bad did happen.

I come to the agreement that it wasn't the coach that was at fault here. However, our offense was awful. Certainly, we can find ways to get the ball to Dez.

There are many reasons why we lost and it started to add up in the end. Blame goes out to the entire team including players. But bad coaching is what stuck out the most IMO.

The play was designed inside. Tanner broke it outside. Nothing the coaches can do about that.

 

[tyke1doe]

It wasn't second guessing for me at the time. I knew what play was coming next and it was a run to just burn time off the clock, not to try and get the first. They put themselves in a hole and did not try to dig out of it and were going to settle for time being clocked.

If you just want to burn time, kneel the darn ball.

That's just it, though. If you kneel down, you don't burn time off the clock. A kneel down takes about two seconds off the clock. A running play takes more time off the clock.

Again, you guys are playing fantasy football. I don't sweat the call. Most coaches make the same call. We just got a holding penalty.

 

[links18]

At least some hope. god our players are stupid and that goes back to the HC not screaming at them what to do, but rather being passive and over his head.

But the players have to execute.....

 

[Tabascocat]

That's just it, though. If you kneel down, you don't burn time off the clock. A kneel down takes about two seconds off the clock. A running play takes more time off the clock.

Again, you guys are playing fantasy football. I don't sweat the call. Most coaches make the same call. We just got a holding penalty.

What are you talking about?? A kneel is the same as a run man. The clock continues to run.........

 

[Idgit]

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? What's your explanation?

It's just a plain ole' run of the mill mental error. I haven't actually seen the replay, so perhaps it was a ticky-tacky call. I don't know. But a holding call on a running play in that situation is unforgivable.

 

[links18]

That's just it, though. If you kneel down, you don't burn time off the clock. A kneel down takes about two seconds off the clock. A running play takes more time off the clock.

Again, you guys are playing fantasy football. I don't sweat the call. Most coaches make the same call. We just got a holding penalty.

I agree with you, although I wouldn't call it "just a holding penalty." It wasn't even like it was a questionable call. Players have to know that this is the absolute worst thing that they can do in that scenario (akin to running out of bounds), but it appears they don't know or they just don't care.

 

[tyke1doe]

Ok, let's make it a 7 step drop, qb's do that all the time.

Quarterbacks take 7-step drops to kneel down?

They did not get a penalty but McFadden fumbled the ball on first down, he then recovered it, but that was probably one of the only ways they could've lost the game. They should have kneeled down too. But they are the Raiders.

Anyway, I brought that up to show that the burning of the clock in my scenario was pretty reasonable.

First, you said the situations were the same. They're not.
Second, your scenario is reasonable because you're a coach couch - and I'm not saying that disrespectfully.
But real coaches don't quarterbacks backpedaling to take a kneel down. You don't complicate these scenarios. If you need down, you move a little to the right or left then you immediately get down. You don't start retreating then kneel down.

Again, it sounds good in theory. But there's a reason you don't see teams doing that.

 

[Galian Beast]

There is a reason why you don't run a play at the end there.

a) penalty will stop the clock
b) false start can put you out of field goal range anyways and also stop the clock
c) bad handoff could lead to fumble
d)runner could fumble
e)players can get hurt

So many reasons why you just take the knee in that situation.

 

[tyke1doe]

I agree with you, although I wouldn't call it "just a holding penalty." It wasn't even like it was a questionable call. Players have to know that this is the absolute worst thing that they can do in that scenario (akin to running out of bounds), but it appears they don't know or they just don't care.

Sometimes, you just get caught up in the play. It came at a bad time, but when you're on the field, you're thinking about making sure you do your job, and that's to keep defenders off your running back/quarterback.

The holding eventually led to the demise of the Cowboys. But I can't get terribly upset about it. It happens.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Two huge errors in the last 3 minutes, calling a pass on 3rd down before the 2 minute warning allowed the Lions to save a timeout which if they didn't have would have allowed us to run the clock out late, and then of course the silly clock usage and hold by Smith.

 

[Zordon]

*That's* what I was worried about. I was so happy to see him cut back upfield there. When I saw the flag, I couldn't believe it. How can that stuff be happening in that situation? It's almost unbelievable.

it's like the denver play when they got the first down on the 1 half yd line without scoring. it's beyond explanation. sometimes you have to wonder if this franchise is legitimately cursed.

 

[Tabascocat]

There is a reason why you don't run a play at the end there.

a) penalty will stop the clock
b) false start can put you out of field goal range anyways and also stop the clock
c) bad handoff could lead to fumble
d)runner could fumble
e)players can get hurt

So many reasons why you just take the knee in that situation.

Wait, you can't take a knee. Didn't you know the clock stops on those? We would have only burned 2 seconds.

 

[tyke1doe]

Of course, a loss brings out the second-guessing because everyone's right with the vision of hindsight.

I said my peace (or is that piece) on the matter. We'll just have to agree to disagree and live/stomach another Cowboys excruciating loss.

Night, guys (and gals if we have any on board now).