10 NYCowboy22's Not So Vague Predictions

[The30YardSlant]

Except Polamalu, Adrian Wilson, Rodney Harrison, and maybe some others but I'm sure of those three, all of whom you claimed could cover better than Roy. And your list of 16 was just a list of names. From those, Reed, Parrish, Lewis, and maybe Boulware are better I think. The rest Roy is at least as good at if not better.

None of those players play up on the line NEARLY as much as RW does, even in the last 2 years when Williams was forced to cover more often

However, I have to discount this post considering Mike Minter is better in coverage that both Parrish and Boulware. Boulware is actually one of those who is debateable in relation to RW in coverage ability.

Try again

 

[dbair1967]

Where did I say Sean Taylor was a better safety than Roy Williams? I said he had bette natural coverage ability.

and you'd be wrong again...Taylor has been awful in coverage since he came in the league....

David

 

[The30YardSlant]

would that be the Mike Brown who despite playing two years longer than Roy Williams, has fewer passes defensed and only two more ints?

David

Yeah, that would be him

And if INTs and passes defensed were the stat to determine superiority in the secondary, many of the top safeties/cornerbacks would be excluded because teams dont throw at great secondary players very often.

 

[BigDFan5]

Ed Reed- 1 INT last year but yes better in coverage

Troy Polamalu- 2 INTs last year, and = to Roy in coverage

Mike Minter- Minter 1 INT in last 2 years Roy is better in coverage

Michael Lewis- haha Roy had more INTs last year than he has in last 2

Mike Brown- good sftey but coverage is not his thing, Roy has as many INTs last year as he has had in last 2

Tony Parrish- He used to be a great cover saftey but his speed has diminished with age he is average now

Kenoy Kennedy- you kidding me? Roy has 5 more INTs in his 4 years than Kennedy in his 7 year career

Shaun Williams- Both Carolina safteys are SS? wrong on both counts 13 INTs in 8 years?? Roy has that in 4, This guy has 5 in his last 4 years, Roy had that in one year alone

Michael Boulware (A former LB)- Now this one I would agree with

Tebucky Jones- Crack kills, Roy has double his INTs in half as many years

Bob Sanders- I like Sanders but this has to be a joke he is not near as good as Roy in coverage

Sammy Knight- Knight has diminished but may still have an edge coverage wise.

Adrian Wilson- Wilson is a good saftey but his job is run stopping and blitzing he is not good in coverage

Rodney Harrison- Harrison?? No

Lawyer Milloy- haha this has to be a joke Milloy? Roy had as many INTs last season as Milloy has had in his last 4 combined, and as many in the last 4 years as milloy in 7 years

Madieu Williams- had a decent rookie year and then missed last season so you were just searching for another name and used him i suppose



Anyway try again

 

[The30YardSlant]

and you'd be wrong again...Taylor has been awful in coverage since he came in the league....

David

He has been burned for TDs 3 times in his career: By Patrick Crayton, Terry Glenn, and Reggie Brown

Considering you only remember him for being beaten twice by the Cowboys, I dont doubt you believe this, though

 

[SkinsandTerps]

and you'd be wrong again...Taylor has been awful in coverage since he came in the league....

David

Really ?

I disagree.

He has been burned by playing out of position trying to read the big play on a few occasions, but nothing to the point that would make him poor (or awful)in coverage.

He has been in one on one situations, with some of the best WRs in the game including TO and Randy Moss and held his own.

 

[littlewebs]

None of those players play up on the line NEARLY as much as RW does, even in the last 2 years when Williams was forced to cover more often

However, I have to discount this post considering Mike Minter is better in coverage that both Parrish and Boulware. Boulware is actually one of those who is debateable in relation to RW in coverage ability.

Try again

Are you serious? Even this year, Roy blitzed like once per game. Wilson had 8 sacks this year. Harrison has like 30 career sacks. Polamalu is the key to what makes Pittsburgh's entire blitz scheme confusing, and thus, effective.

Try again.

 

[BigDFan5]

I did, you just can't grasp this whole reading comprehension thing:



That is why his numbers look better than most of the other safeties

As for how to determine who the better coverage safeties are, you 1: Watch more than just Cowboys games and 2: Take notice of who is getting burned every other week and who is not

RW is a better player than most on that list, however that was not the question posed

Luckily I watch more than just Cowboys games and from doing so I can tell you are full of it. You just listed a bunch of guys most of whom you may have seen play once or twice

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ed Reed- 1 INT last year but yes better in coverage

Troy Polamalu- 2 INTs last year, and = to Roy in coverage

Mike Minter- Minter 1 INT in last 2 years Roy is better in coverage

Michael Lewis- haha Roy had more INTs last year than he has in last 2

Mike Brown- good sftey but coverage is not his thing, Roy has as many INTs last year as he has had in last 2

Tony Parrish- He used to be a great cover saftey but his speed has diminished with age he is average now

Kenoy Kennedy- you kidding me? Roy has 5 more INTs in his 4 years than Kennedy in his 7 year career

Shaun Williams- Both Carolina safteys are SS? wrong on both counts 13 INTs in 8 years?? Roy has that in 4, This guy has 5 in his last 4 years, Roy had that in one year alone

Michael Boulware (A former LB)- Now this one I would agree with

Tebucky Jones- Crack kills, Roy has double his INTs in half as many years

Bob Sanders- I like Sanders but this has to be a joke he is not near as good as Roy in coverage

Sammy Knight- Knight has diminished but may still have an edge coverage wise.

Adrian Wilson- Wilson is a good saftey but his job is run stopping and blitzing he is not good in coverage

Rodney Harrison- Harrison?? No

Lawyer Milloy- haha this has to be a joke Milloy? Roy had as many INTs last season as Milloy has had in his last 4 combined, and as many in the last 4 years as milloy in 7 years

Madieu Williams- had a decent rookie year and then missed last season so you were just searching for another name and used him i suppose



Anyway try again

Again, INTs dont make the better DB like tackles make the better LB.

Isnt there a site specifically for DBs and how amny times they were thrown at and how amny catches against them, etc.?

And Shaun Williams played SS in New York last year, which is why I have trouble giving this "list" of yours any credence

 

[BigDFan5]

None of those players play up on the line NEARLY as much as RW does, even in the last 2 years when Williams was forced to cover more often

So what you are saying is despite spending more time at the line, Roy still has more INT, and pass defensed than 95% of the guys you listed? So he makes more plays in coverage in less oppurtunities. good to know.

 

[BigDFan5]

Yeah, that would be him

And if INTs and passes defensed were the stat to determine superiority in the secondary, many of the top safeties/cornerbacks would be excluded because teams dont throw at great secondary players very often.

coordinators don't shy away from Mike Brown LMAO

 

[The30YardSlant]

Luckily I watch more than just Cowboys games and from doing so I can tell you are full of it. You just listed a bunch of guys most of whom you may have seen play once or twice

I try to watch every game I can in my area every Sunday, and I can safely say I've seen every guy on that list excluding Madieu Williams play at least 5-6 times (and that's simply because he has only been playing for 2 years).

Guys like Michael Lewis, Milloy, Harrison, Minter, Parrish and Mike Brown countless times

 

[The30YardSlant]

coordinators don't shy away from Mike Brown LMAO

Considering that outside of Vasher Chicago has nothing else in the secondary, they throw at the other scrubs much more often than they do Brown.

 

[BigDFan5]

Again, INTs dont make the better DB like tackles make the better LB.

Isnt there a site specifically for DBs and how amny times they were thrown at and how amny catches against them, etc.?

And Shaun Williams played SS in New York last year, which is why I have trouble giving this "list" of yours any credence

INTs and passes defensed show who is making more plays in the passing game. Gibril Wilson was New Yorks strong safety, and Williams now plays for carolina, obviously he is not SS since Minter is correct? Damn facts slapping you all over tha place.

So to recap in less oppurtunities, since as you said Roy spends more time at the line, Roy has more INTs and passes defensed than most all of your list. So more plays in the passing game in less chances ok I get it

 

[The30YardSlant]

So what you are saying is despite spending more time at the line, Roy still has more INT, and pass defensed than 95% of the guys you listed? So he makes more plays in coverage in less oppurtunities. good to know.

For the 3rd time, INTs are not a good stat for determining great coverage players. Especially for safeties, who often sit back in zone coverage and pick off tipped passes, poorly throw balls.

Thinking of RWs INTs the last few years, almost all were tipped or just terrible throws, not great coverage plays. The Philly winning INT was just a terrible throw ball right to him. The Washington INT for a TD in his rookie year was tipped and he caught it like a pop fly. The one against New Orleans a couple years ago was a ball that sailed and no WR was within 15 yards.

The one in Philly in 2004 is the only one i can tihnk of in which he made a great play on a well thrown ball.

 

[BigDFan5]

I try to watch every game I can in my area every Sunday, and I can safely say I've seen every guy on that list excluding Madieu Williams play at least 5-6 times (and that's simply because he has only been playing for 2 years).

Guys like Michael Lewis, Milloy, Harrison, Minter, Parrish and Mike Brown countless times

If you have seen them all that many times and believe they are all superior to roy in coverage I really have to doubt your ability at recognizing whats going on, on the field. Then again coming from the guy who couldnt say who the Eagles backup QB was even ater the Eagles website told him I should not expect anything from you.

 

[BigDFan5]

Considering that outside of Vasher Chicago has nothing else in the secondary, they throw at the other scrubs much more often than they do Brown.

You must not know who Charles Tillman is huh

 

[BigDFan5]

For the 3rd time, INTs are not a good stat for determining great coverage players. Especially for safeties, who often sit back in zone coverage and pick off tipped passes, poorly throw balls.

Thinking of RWs INTs the last few years, almost all were tipped or just terrible throws, not great coverage plays. The Philly winning INT was just a terrible throw ball right to him. The Washington INT for a TD in his rookie year was tipped and he caught it like a pop fly. The one against New Orleans a couple years ago was a ball that sailed and no WR was within 15 yards.

The one in Philly in 2004 is the only one i can tihnk of in which he made a great play on a well thrown ball.

of course no stat matters because every stat says you are wrong.

The Philly INT was a great play maybe you should go rewatch it, he walked up to the line faking blitz and then read McNabbs eyes and took the ball to the house.

You seriously should watch the games

 

[littlewebs]

For the 3rd time, INTs are not a good stat for determining great coverage players. Especially for safeties, who often sit back in zone coverage and pick off tipped passes, poorly throw balls.

Thinking of RWs INTs the last few years, almost all were tipped or just terrible throws, not great coverage plays. The Philly winning INT was just a terrible throw ball right to him. The Washington INT for a TD in his rookie year was tipped and he caught it like a pop fly. The one against New Orleans a couple years ago was a ball that sailed and no WR was within 15 yards.

The one in Philly in 2004 is the only one i can tihnk of in which he made a great play on a well thrown ball.

Ok so INT's apparently only count for you on good throws that aren't tipped, right? Um, maybe I'm off base here, but, uh, aren't good untipped throws also called completions?

 

[The30YardSlant]

INTs and passes defensed show who is making more plays in the passing game. Gibril Wilson was New Yorks strong safety, and Williams now plays for carolina, obviously he is not SS since Minter is correct? Damn facts slapping you all over tha place.

So to recap in less oppurtunities, since as you said Roy spends more time at the line, Roy has more INTs and passes defensed than most all of your list. So more plays in the passing game in less chances ok I get it

Shaun Williams is a strong safety, or at least was in New York. Girbril Wilson played FS. If Carolina plans on moving him to FS, which they likely will, that has no bearing on the fact that he has played SS to this point in his career.