103.3 just trashing Jerry

[zrinkill]

Night guys ..... I got Work in the morn ......

 

[Hoofbite]

Dude what is your beef with the Jimster, did he steal your girlfriend or something, he did something that no other Cowboy coach did, win back to back superbowls, all you do is belittle him, who cares what he did or did'nt do with the Dolphins they don't matter to Cowboys fans.

My guess would be he doesn't have a problem with the Jimster.......just the people who thinks that Jimmy could come in and replicate his success from the early years. IMO....not likely.

 

[iceberg]

SilverBear is on the attack.........

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D*MN ..................................

you and i had to take a break and he's a darn good one to tag in.

 

[silverbear]

I've fought bb tooth and nail and hundreds of occasions, but in this case he's right.

No, he's not... he's blindly assuming that Jerry's just going back to being the "bad old Jerry", a power-mad owner... ALL of his opinions are based on that blind assumption, even though none of us has any evidence that's the case...

Fer cryin' out loud, Jerry's not the reason the Boys are in need of a head coach, this situation was forced on him... so it's not like he ran Parcells out with his power hungry ways... given that, what logical reason do any of you have for believing that he's eager to return to the old ways that didn't work for him??

To believe that is to believe that Jerry's an idiot, incapable of learning from bitter experience... and to believe that, I think, makes those who truly believe it the REAL idiots...

Mind you, I'm not saying that it's entirely out of the realm of possibility that Jerry will revert to his old, questionable ways... I just think it's unlikely, given that trying a new approach has worked better for him than that old approach did... and for sure, I think it's just ASININE for any of us to assume that he'll just revert back to what he once was...

Certain franchises may be trying to find the 'hot' coordinator and superseding their HC in hiring them.

Including one of the most consistently successful franchises of the recent past, the Steelers... when an organization that has a rep for doing things the right way tries such a tactic, is it really unreasonable for other teams to look into employing that tactic too??

But again, looking at the best teams over the past several years, do we have any evidence that hiring a coordinator before a HC is actually a more effective, or even as effective method as letting the HC bring in the people he is comfortable working with and who fit his coaching style?

No, at this point we don't... but that's mostly because this is a NEW approach... perhaps 3-5 years down the line, all of us-- including you-- will be of the opinion that this isn't such a bad approach after all...

I know everyone wants to paint this as bashing on Jerry, and with bbgun its easy to label it so, but honestly, wouldn't we all be laughing at Danny if the Commanders were doing this?

Of course we would, but we're ALWAYS looking for things to laugh at Danny boy about...

 

[silverbear]

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Hey, it's my old buddy Cliff Clavin, CZ's biggest windbag! Didja get tired of boring people to tears at the Ranch and Usenet with your worthless, fact-free, unsolicited opinions?

LOL... this from the guy who just whined about how people wouldn't debate him on the merits of his argument...

But where did you ever get the notion I was your "old buddy"??

Truth is, I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, Norm...

So now we're patterning ourselves after the Fins?

Where did I say that?? I merely pointed out, in response to the contention that NOBODY else was doing this, that the Fins have done exactly that...

But I guess you figure they're stupid for signing Dom Capers... LOL...

I also mentioned another team doing that, of course you didn't bother to include them in your argument... that team, of course, is the Steelers, and yeah, they're probably a team that a shrewd organization ought to study...

They "insisted"? What does that mean? Either Tomlin had the authority to retain LeBeau or he didn't. Which is it?

The word I heard is that the Steelers made the retention of LeBeau a condition of hiring Tomlin...

You won't attract "quality" if you rob a HC of basic powers/duties.

Kindly name the "quality" head coaches that are available to us right now... let's make sure we don't include any names like Cowher, who would cost us draft picks to sign...

Of course I do. After all, I model myself after you.

You're about 60 IQ points shy of being able to come close to doing that, Norm...

You're an endless source of amusement and undeserved vanity.

This from the guy who's widely considered to be the biggest cynical joke on this board...

 

[silverbear]

It's an issue because Jerry operated like this in the past with horrid results.

Well, that much is true... however, you ignore one FACT, and one logical assumption:

1) FACT-- Jerry CHANGED the way he did things when he hired Parcells... and at the time, he candidly admitted that he HAD to change, because what he'd done wasn't working...

2) Asumption-- as you said, he had "horrid results" with his old modus operandi... unless he's an idiot, he realizes that too... so, why would you assume that he'd be eager to go back to what didn't work for him before??

 

[silverbear]

Seems like all of these other examples are teams choosing to retain a current assistant.

How many examples are there of a team hiring an assistant from another team before they hired their HC?

What difference does that make, hoss??

Choosing to retain a current assistant is STILL denying the new head coach the chance to pick his own staff, and THAT'S the criticism you guys are layin' on Jerry right now...

 

[silverbear]

Moore was the OC for Indy the year before (which was quite successfull) so its not an apt comparison to our situation. If they had hired another OC from a different team , then hired Dungy , it would be comparable.

But they didnt ,so its not.

Again, a purely semantic distinction-- Dungy was not allowed to pick his own offensive coordinator... just like any new Cowboys head coach will not be allowed to pick his own offensive coordinator...

 

[bbgun]

ROTFLMAO... mercy, you really are firmly attached to Jimmuh's scrotum, aren't you??

While yours is firmly up Jerry's arse. I win

.FACT-- the Dolphins went 39-25 in the 4 years before Jimmuh took over...

FACT-- the Fins went 36-28 in the 4 years Jimmuh was there...

FACT-- the Fins went 41-23 in the 4 years after Jimmuh left...

Shula had no salary cap problems/restrictions. Jimmy did. On top of that, he inherited an aging QB and no running game. I'm surprised he did as well as he did. And if you don't think he improved that defense, then senility must be creeping in.

So, the Fins put up a better record in the 4 years before him, and the 4 years after him... but he was a GREAT coach for them...

He's a great coach (duh) who had great success in Dallas. He didn't move to Miami and suddenly become a dummy or forget how to coach. He just had less luck at certain positions and less depth to fall back on.

Beyond that, you'll have to excuse me if I find your "he upgraded the talent base vastly" argument to be pure unadulterated bovine fecal matter, when Parcells did exactly that for the Boys, but you seemed to want him gone...

As in Dallas, he had his fair share of busts, such as Yatil Green and John Avery, but he also drafted future pro bowlers Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor (3rd round, no less), Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain. That's quite a haul.

So, how come upgrading the talent base is an indication of a good coaching job when it's Saint Jimmuh doing it, but not when it's the Tuna doing it??

Well gee, by your own standards, Bill must be a failure too. After all, Jimmy had a higher winning percentage in Miami. Likewise, Bill's reign of error has produced just one pro bowler (Ware). Lee and Payton produced the other (Romo, in a fluke year no less).

And if Jimmuh did such a good job upgrading the talent base, how come he couldn't WIN more than his predecessor did with that "lesser talent"??

Asked and answered. Go to bed, sweetie.

 

[ddh33]

Jimmy = good. Bill = bad. Right?

Double standards make me laugh and cringe at the same time.

 

[bbgun]

Where did I say that?? I merely pointed out, in response to the contention that NOBODY else was doing this, that the Fins have done exactly that...

But I guess you figure they're stupid for signing Dom Capers... LOL...

Why yes, yes they are. Someone please send SB the link to the latest JJT column, where Jerry receives a well-deserved comeuppance for his latest act of managerial butchery.

 

[silverbear]

Moore was an established OC with an established offense in place and pretty damn good personnell.

Garrett doesnt have his offense in place.

Dungy still didn't have a choice in the matter, if he wanted the head coach job...

Please show me where a new head coach came in after a coordinator was hired who was DIFFERENT from the previous one.

I don't believe Dom Capers was the defensive coordinator for the Fins last year... he was on the staff, but was only recently promoted to DC...

BEFORE the Fins hired their new head coach, giving that new head coach no say in the matter... at least, that's what a press releasee on the Fins' official website says:

January 24, 2007-The Miami Dolphins today named Terry Robiskie as their wide receivers coach and Brett Maxie as safeties coach. In addition, Dom Capers and Keith Armstrong, both of whom were on the team’s staff in 2006, signed contract extensions and were given new titles.

So, that makes at least TWO different coaches that the Fins "forced" on... indeed, if you look at ALL of the recent head coach hirings, and go to that team's website, you'll find that each and every one of those new head coaches have been "forced" accept staff not of their choosing...

Each and every one of them...

 

[silverbear]

Nope Shorty would have made one of himself ..... I heard that the guy has pictures of himself all over his house ..... though thats prolly just rumors.

If he does, they're all mounted about 3 feet up...

That would be eye level for him...

 

[silverbear]

bored tonight, bear??? : )

Chuckle... and here I thought I was hiding that fact...

good to see you taking care of things!

In recent months, I've tried not to let the bleatings of the morons get to me, but the static coming from the Jerry haters these last coupla days is steppin' on my last nerve...

 

[silverbear]

And what's your rep?

Agent provocateur and draft guru... which is why they refer to me as the Semi-Official Loose Cannon...

Aging character assassin?

naw, that won't work-- you'd have to have some character in order for me to "assassinate" it...

Your knee-jerk Jerry idolatry worries me,

There is no "idolatry", I criticize Jerry when criticism is warranted... and IF he ultimately turns back into Power Freak Jerry, I'll be as critical of him as you are right now...

The difference between us is I'm not gonna jump the gun, and criticize him for something BEFORE he does it...

 

[bbgun]

In recent months, I've tried not to let the bleatings of the morons get to me

He says with zero sense of self-awareness. I'm gonna send you some irony for V-Day.

but the static coming from the Jerry haters these last coupla days is steppin' on my last nerve...

You ain't seen nothing yet. The craven Jerry apologists are going down.

 

[silverbear]

Dude what is your beef with the Jimster,

I have absolutely no beef with Jimmy at all, in fact I hold him in some reverence...

I'm simply countering some ridiculous hero worship of the guy, the contention that the Cowboys only won because of him, and Jerry had little to nothing to do with it...

My argument is that both succeeded beyond what either has ever been able to accomplish without the other, and that suggests that their success was a result of their COLLABORATION...

Jimmy was never as successful in the NFL without Jerry, and Jerry was never as successful in the NFL without Jimmy... that ought to tell a THINKING man something...

But please believe me when I say one of my biggest regrets in my 46 years of being a Cowboys fan was that Jimmy and Jerry couldn't work and play well together... they ruined a really good thing, with their clash of monumental egos... and again, I blame both men for that, not just one of them...

 

[silverbear]

SilverBear is on the attack.........

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D*MN ..................................

I've tried to be a kinder, gentler Bear of late, but some of these fools just make it hard for me to rein in my baser nature...

To quote the immortal TO, grab some popcorn... I'm just gettin' warmed up... but I do need to remind myself that this board has rules about practicing at least a certain minimum level of civility... it's hard, some of these putzes have gotten me ticked off, but I really don't want to force the mods to speak to me... they have enough to do without babysitting me... LOL...

 

[silverbear]

My guess would be he doesn't have a problem with the Jimster.......just the people who thinks that Jimmy could come in and replicate his success from the early years. IMO....not likely.

Not likely, but I'd be up for giving it a shot... perhaps that's just nostalgia talking...

 

[silverbear]

you and i had to take a break and he's a darn good one to tag in.

Ice, I pity any fool who got in both our crosshairs at the same time... they probably wouldn't be able to identify the remains with dental records...

I still remember our political head to head with some fondness, LOL...