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CrazyCowboy;2006539 said:
All three are pretty good.....if he could stay healthy.....I prefer RW
Me too. I would be happy with any of the 3, but I'd prefer them in this order.

1. Roy Williams
2. Anquan Boldin
3. Chad Johnson
 

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Woods;2006585 said:
Agreed.

If DMAC were to fall to picks 7-9, I think JJ would seriously consider doing the trade.

I'm not sure at pick number 4 how keen he'd be.

Oh I agree. I don't think Jerry makes a move at 4.
 

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COWBOYSNUM1;2006587 said:
Me too. I would be happy with any of the 3, but I'd prefer them in this order.

1. Roy Williams
2. Anquan Boldin
3. Chad Johnson
Your crazy...
1. Anquan Boldin
2. Chad Johnson
3. Roy Williams
 

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CowboyWay;2006581 said:
One thing about Al Davis. He could take DMAC there, or he could take you or me. He's that unpredictable.

I'll be sitting on my phone just incase though.

I was going to declare for the draft, but I'm going to wait till the Raiders have the #1 spot again. And when I get interviewed by Al Davis, I will just answer every question with, "Just win, baby!" And then he will have to draft me, and I can hold out for a huge contract with lots of guaranteed money. Jackpot!


But anyways, I would like us to trade for Pacman, and trade either a 2nd or 2nd and 3rd for RW, Boldin, or CJ. And then KEEP our 2 #1's, draft a CB and a RB. That way we would be able to get the true "WOW" player Jerry wants, we replace our two backup corners with Pacman and a rookie (who is probably better than Reeves anyways), and get a great complimentary back to team with Barber.
 

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Woods;2006574 said:
I think Al Davis could definitely take McFadden. He would really help their new franchise QB I'd imagine. And if that's the case, we've got to include another pick or two (or maybe a player and a pick).


I'll tell ya Woods, I can't imagine the Raida's not drafting OL. I mean, they have to protect there investments in QB or RB, for that matter. I don't see them taking McFadden. If, in fact, they are looking at OL, the value is right around where we are picking IMO. Simms is there LT. He's not great IMO. He's just OK. Cornell Green (great name) is there RT and he is just bad. Newberry and Gallary are solid but they could use a LT, a G and they could really use a RT. If your going to pick up those pieces, then right where you want to be is where we sit IMO. Long is the highest rated OL in the draft but he's really probably a RT. I could see them spending the 4th pick on a LT but I don't know about a RT. Is there QB of the future a lefty? There are things about a proposed trade with Oakland that could make sense to me.
 

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CowboyWay;2006566 said:
Pick 5 is worth 1700
Pick 6 is worth 1600
Pick 7 is worth 1500
Pick 8 is worth 1400
Pick 9 is worth 1350

Pick 22 is worth 780
Pick 28 is worth 660

So our total two picks are woth 1440 points.
That is definetely close enough to take DMC if he drops to 6-7-8-9.

Remember these points are just guidelines, there not written in stone. You get a team that wants to trade out, new england for example at 7. You don't think Belicheck would give up 60 measly points in a draft trade?

I don't see the raiders or the jets taking him, not if there are still a couple monster DT's or DE's available. Especially when they're probablya thinking the same thing many of us think, which is..........this rb class is deep, we can take one with our second rounder, especially since they are early second rounders.

Again, I'm not saying I want McFadden, but I think its a much stronger possibility than some of you think. It most certainly is possible with only giving up the two picks and thats it.

You realize that the difference between 6 and 7 is an additional 160 points over what our two picks total?

Now there is one thing to keep in mind here and that is while these will be guidlines you need to consider that we would not be the only team interested in aquiring McFadden who is probably top three in 30 teams draft boards.

Lets say the Jets want to trade down which is stupid because they need a RB but we'll humor the fantasy land yahoos. There are teams like the Ravens, Bengals, Panthers, Lions etc that have picks closer to theirs that they could easily trade with.

The Ravens 1st and 3rd round picks are worth more than both our firsts for example. Pretty much all those teams coould easily make packages that are well above ours. Do you think would prefer to trade down just a few spots and stay with the blue chippers or drop down into the twenties and play with glorified second round picks?

Quite frankly in order to get McFadden for just our two firsts we would need to get the team in the top 7 in question to be stupid and take far less than what that pick and the player are worth.

I offer any of the smug people that always say, 'we'll wait and see at the draft," or the like. I offer the following bet.

If we trade up into the top ten and get Darren McFadden for any amount of picks I will put " I was a moron and thought that we wouldnt do what it took to draft Darren McFadden," in my sig if you are willing to put " I was a moron and thought we would do what it would take to trade up to draft Darren McFadden." in yours if we dont.

I will put it up for 1 week for any one week of any person willing to take this bet. The more people the more weeks for me.

It is just so mindnumbingly dumb.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2006625 said:
I'll tell ya Woods, I can't imagine the Raida's not drafting OL. I mean, they have to protect there investments in QB or RB, for that matter. I don't see them taking McFadden. If, in fact, they are looking at OL, the value is right around where we are picking IMO. Simms is there LT. He's not great IMO. He's just OK. Cornell Green (great name) is there RT and he is just bad. Newberry and Gallary are solid but they could use a LT, a G and they could really use a RT. If your going to pick up those pieces, then right where you want to be is where we sit IMO. Long is the highest rated OL in the draft but he's really probably a RT. I could see them spending the 4th pick on a LT but I don't know about a RT. Is there QB of the future a lefty? There are things about a proposed trade with Oakland that could make sense to me.

If Gallery is solid why do they need a LT? They do have Fargas but given Davis' behavior lately I would think he wants McFadden as hes easily the best skill player in the draft.
 

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Can someone explain how, with $3.5M in cap space we bring PacMan, R Williams and DMAC on board?

I could see a scenario, unlikely but possible, where we could get all 3. But how would we do it with as little cap room as we have?
 

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CowboyWay;2006577 said:
Miami Dolphins Ain't no way Parcells take a RB
2 St. Louis Rams Stephen Jackson
3 Atlanta Falcons QB, even if the Fins take Ryan, they won't take a RB
4 Oakland Raiders Possible, but I think they take Dorsey, Gholston, or Long
5 Kansas City Chiefs Larry Johnson
6 New York Jets Dorsey, Long or Gholston will still be on the board.
7 New England Patriots* THey would love to trade out here as there isn't a CB or LB worth this spot, and we all know it.
8 Baltimore Ravens They just signed McGahee
9 Cincinnati Bengals Desperately need defensive help, but if DMAC is there, I think they would take him, but I could be wrong.
10 New Orleans Saints Just spent the #2 overall on Bush.
11 Buffalo Bills They got their RB last year in Marshawn Lynch
12 Denver Broncos You never know what Shanahan will do, I could see him take DMAC
13 Carolina Panthers Ain't no way in hell DMAC gets past the Panthers here.

The raiders, and the Jets. Both teams who could take him, but have other more pressing needs if you ask me. If Dmac slides past the Jets, I would bet money that we move up in the next couple of picks and grab him. Especially if we get Pacman or do a deal for Boldin,Ocho, or Roy Willams.

Two words: Marion Barber.

With your rationale there is no way we would take McFadden becasue we have Barber.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2006643 said:
Two words: Marion Barber.

With your rationale there is no way we would take McFadden becasue we have Barber.
but than again he was only tendered
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2006630 said:
If Gallery is solid why do they need a LT? They do have Fargas but given Davis' behavior lately I would think he wants McFadden as hes easily the best skill player in the draft.



Because Gallery is there Left Guard, and in that positon, he is solid. I don't dispute the fact that there is probabably interest there on behalf of Davis and the Raiders but I don't think that the Raiders have much more money to go out and sign FAs. They gotta do something about there OL. They could have Red Freaken Grange in the backfield but if they can't get guys blocked, it's not going to matter. There offense won't work.

They have signed a lot of guys this year and one of them was Harris but even so, I don't know how much better he makes them.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2006628 said:
You realize that the difference between 6 and 7 is an additional 160 points over what our two picks total?

Now there is one thing to keep in mind here and that is while these will be guidlines you need to consider that we would not be the only team interested in aquiring McFadden who is probably top three in 30 teams draft boards.

Lets say the Jets want to trade down which is stupid because they need a RB but we'll humor the fantasy land yahoos. There are teams like the Ravens, Bengals, Panthers, Lions etc that have picks closer to theirs that they could easily trade with.

The Ravens 1st and 3rd round picks are worth more than both our firsts for example. Pretty much all those teams coould easily make packages that are well above ours. Do you think would prefer to trade down just a few spots and stay with the blue chippers or drop down into the twenties and play with glorified second round picks?

Quite frankly in order to get McFadden for just our two firsts we would need to get the team in the top 7 in question to be stupid and take far less than what that pick and the player are worth.

I offer any of the smug people that always say, 'we'll wait and see at the draft," or the like. I offer the following bet.

If we trade up into the top ten and get Darren McFadden for any amount of picks I will put " I was a moron and thought that we wouldnt do what it took to draft Darren McFadden," in my sig if you are willing to put " I was a moron and thought we would do what it would take to trade up to draft Darren McFadden." in yours if we dont.

I will put it up for 1 week for any one week of any person willing to take this bet. The more people the more weeks for me.

It is just so mindnumbingly dumb.

I never said other teams couldn't package up something better than what we could do. There are literally a million different scenarios. I just don't think the Raiders need a RB. Their O line is horrendous, what'd they give up like 10 sacks to the chargers in one game? And your going to help out your qb by giving him a RB? Uh no. Get him Olineman.

As far as the jets go, I think they've beefed up their Oline with the pittsburgh center, and I think they have faith in Thomas Jones and Leon Washington. I think they need defensive help. Someone to get after Tom Brady like the Giants proved you can do. RB isn't what they need.

Other than those two teams, nobody else in the top 9 need a RB.

Again, the scenario wasn't "if we will", the scenario in question was its not out of the realm of possibility based on the numbers chart. And I still stand by that.

I hope we don't do the deal, but I don't think its as out of the realm of possibility that you do.
 

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TX_Yid;2006639 said:
Can someone explain how, with $3.5M in cap space we bring PacMan, R Williams and DMAC on board?

I could see a scenario, unlikely but possible, where we could get all 3. But how would we do it with as little cap room as we have?


Because we have a lot of guys signed, we could easily restructure and extend to create cap. I mean, we're going to do that anyway. I don't really think Cap is an issue. Especially if the rumors of 2010 are true. If the right deal came along, we could create cap space IMO.
 

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HeavyHitta31;2006522 said:
The ticket also mentioned that whisper of a move for Boldin are in the works

i'd give up one of our 1st for bolden - easy. roy williams i suppose also. use the other pick on CB if it makes sense (no reaching) and then address the rest as you go and call it a hell of a off-season.

a WOW off season. : ) (oops)
 

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No way Al Davis passes on DMAC... Russell, DMAC and Walker sure could be the start of Oklands version of the triplets... Al Davis is getting BO Jackson falsh backs right about now....

Only way to get DMAC is to
move up past Okland (sell the farm and liquidate other players)

Hope and pray DMAC slips by Okland (no....way..) then KC would love to trade out, they need players, they got a big time RB already...


DMAC is to expensive (cap space and Picks)for the cowboys and he is not the missing link to a SB. .....
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2006643 said:
Two words: Marion Barber.

With your rationale there is no way we would take McFadden becasue we have Barber.

No, not really. Right now we have one good back. The jets have two. The Raiders are very high on Fargas, and have a secound rounder in Micheal Bush they are probably going to give a look too.

And neither the Jets owner or Al Davis is seen hanging out with the Razorbacks football team.

If you can't connect those dots, I can't help you.

But hey, I'm with you. I don't want to trade up for him, I just see it as a closer possibility than you do.

I'm guessing there were alot of fans, similar to you who didn't think there was any way Miami would pass over for Quinn for Ginn either, but it happened.
 

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Rampage;2006648 said:
but than again he was only tendered

This is what i like about you guys. You just ignore that both Jones have repeatedly stated that they think Barber is the real deal and that they will extend his contract and that they have no interest in trading the farm to get intot he top5 to get McFadden.

Its really quite entertaining.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2006663 said:
Because we have a lot of guys signed, we could easily restructure and extend to create cap. I mean, we're going to do that anyway. I don't really think Cap is an issue. Especially if the rumors of 2010 are true. If the right deal came along, we could create cap space IMO.

Couldn't agree more. I just wrote this in "The Big Three" thread, but felt it was warranted here as well.......

I gave up worrying about fitting guys under the salary cap a couple years ago from watching the redstinks.

The salary cap is a joke and we all know it. If you want one, two, three guys, I don't care what they cost, it can be done. The skins have proved that.

You want to argue that it SHOULDN"T be done for obvious reasons (look at the pathetic skins) then knock yourself out, I won't argue with you. But I'll never argue that it "can't" be done. Cause it can. Quit fooling yourselves.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2006688 said:
This is what i like about you guys. You just ignore that both Jones have repeatedly stated that they think Barber is the real deal and that they will extend his contract and that they have no interest in trading the farm to get intot he top5 to get McFadden.

Its really quite entertaining.
but they haven't extended him and the rest remains to be seen.
 
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