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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Its funny, you think I'm delusional because I can see scenarios that would include us getting McFadden.

But you don't think you're delusional for not seeing how the Jets may not want him.

My whole premise is basically......Anything can happen during the draft, and yours is.....No, no it can't.

I'm pretty much done with you. Its like talking to a brick wall.

Yeah brick wall. I acknowledged and responded to everything you said. i did not simply repeat myself ad nauseum.

But at least you recognize that you have nothing to base your scenarios on other than 'anything can happen in the draft.'

As for the Jets, you know absolutely nothing about them. You tried to talk about how they needed help in the front 7 but they dont need help on the line and their OLB are good to adequate. They invested a first last season in Revis and on the other side Miller is pretty good. They were mediocre on defense ranking 18th.

On the other hand they were ABYSMAL on offense. Now they have Mangold, Woody, and Ferguson anchoring the line and there is no TE or WR meriting the 6th pick. That leaves QB and RB.

At QB they have Pennington and Clemens. i have no idea how high they are on Clemens but they gave him plenty of playing time last year. Pennington despite his rubber arm and glass jaw is probably the most underrated player in the league. He routinely puts up QB ratings of 85+. Their main problem was in the running game however where Jones averaged a whopping 3.6 YPC.

Really if i am a Jets fan there are three guys I would be interested in.

1) Ghoulston. He is the top pass rusher in the draft but he did not have much college production.
2) Matt Ryan. He is the top QB on the board and would abe a QB of the future.
3) Darren McFadden. RB was perhaps the worst position on the field for them last year and this guy is the consensus top player of this draft.

The only chance you have of the Jets not wanting him is because they want one of the other two guys more AND they are still available. Saying that they would not want McFadden just means you have no idea about the Jets at all.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

idk bout you but i live in new york and watch just about every jet game. #1 jenkins has gotten hurt what 2 of the past 3 seasons. #2 elllis and coleman and everyone on that D-line got pushed around like they were little kids on that team. they need to revamp that whole D-line cause they were getting punked every sunday.

Sedrick Ellis and Glenn Dorsey aren't 3-4 NT and Jenkins played 16 games for both of the last two seasons. Coleman had 83 tackles as a 3-4 DE and Ellis has been a good player for years.

im not saying that they couldn't upgrade here its just is they filled NT and their DE are servicable.

My whole point though is that Thomas jones was absolutely AWFUL for them.

But lets be straight here. Why would the Jets want to trade out? They could use any one of Ellis, Ryan, Ghoulston, or McFadden but for some reason people think that they would pass on one of these blue chippers to trade dwon to 22. Its just a dumb pipe dream.

 

[Rampage]

Sedrick Ellis and Glenn Dorsey aren't 3-4 NT and Jenkins played 16 games for both of the last two seasons. Coleman had 83 tackles as a 3-4 DE and Ellis has been a good player for years.

im not saying that they couldn't upgrade here its just is they filled NT and their DE are servicable.

My whole point though is that Thomas jones was absolutely AWFUL for them.

But lets be straight here. Why would the Jets want to trade out? They could use any one of Ellis, Ryan, Ghoulston, or McFadden but for some reason people think that they would pass on one of these blue chippers to trade dwon to 22. Its just a dumb pipe dream.

i hear ya. but they might trade out cause what did they win 4 games last year?

 

[iceberg]

i hear ya. but they might trade out cause what did they win 4 games last year?

and why would we gamble and trade up - i mean, we won 13 games and all...

 

[Rampage]

and why would we gamble and trade up - i mean, we won 13 games and all...

and no playoff wins in 12 years. maybe to add a playmaker. o wait it's not possible according to you. 13-3 right wade er... iceberg what's the matter? couldn't sleep so you had to come whine about somebody's opinion?

 

[TheSkaven]

I've never listened to this station because I'm always at work, but today it was stated that a reliable source within the Cowboys organization has relayed to them at ESPN radio, that the Cowboys top WR they are pursuing is Roy Williams, if not Roy Williams then Anquan Boldin or Chad Johnson.......

Like just about everyone else here, I hope this is true. If something happens it will have to be before the draft (or more likely, on draft day). We'll know in 5 weeks either way.

Man, is it still 5 more weeks??

 

[CowboyWay]

Yeah brick wall. I acknowledged and responded to everything you said. i did not simply repeat myself ad nauseum.

But at least you recognize that you have nothing to base your scenarios on other than 'anything can happen in the draft.'

As for the Jets, you know absolutely nothing about them. You tried to talk about how they needed help in the front 7 but they dont need help on the line and their OLB are good to adequate. They invested a first last season in Revis and on the other side Miller is pretty good. They were mediocre on defense ranking 18th.

On the other hand they were ABYSMAL on offense. Now they have Mangold, Woody, and Ferguson anchoring the line and there is no TE or WR meriting the 6th pick. That leaves QB and RB.

At QB they have Pennington and Clemens. i have no idea how high they are on Clemens but they gave him plenty of playing time last year. Pennington despite his rubber arm and glass jaw is probably the most underrated player in the league. He routinely puts up QB ratings of 85+. Their main problem was in the running game however where Jones averaged a whopping 3.6 YPC.

Really if i am a Jets fan there are three guys I would be interested in.

1) Ghoulston. He is the top pass rusher in the draft but he did not have much college production.
2) Matt Ryan. He is the top QB on the board and would abe a QB of the future.
3) Darren McFadden. RB was perhaps the worst position on the field for them last year and this guy is the consensus top player of this draft.

The only chance you have of the Jets not wanting him is because they want one of the other two guys more AND they are still available. Saying that they would not want McFadden just means you have no idea about the Jets at all.

Brick wall?? No, how about you just lack basic reading comprehension skills.


Look above, I highlighted, underlined, bolded, and italicized for you, so you wouldn't miss it. You made my point for me, but can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.

Now go back to my first post where this entire debate centered around how dallas would have to give up more than their 2 first round picks in order to move up. Now what did it say? I'll tell you since you're probably too lazy to do it. Here goes, pay attention........... Two number 1's are more than enough to move up to the 5-6-7-8-9 spot in the draft

Then I showed the so called "points chart" for picks....... again, here is a recap.....
Pick 5 is worth 1700
Pick 6 is worth 1600
Pick 7 is worth 1500
Pick 8 is worth 1400
Pick 9 is worth 1350

Pick 22 is worth 780
Pick 28 is worth 660

The jets pick is worth 1700 pts, and our two are worth 1440.......Not a huge difference, but yes, a difference....BUT when you combine the fact that, and I"M HIGHLIGHTING YOUR WORDS HERE NOT MINE........that there isn't a player, TE or WR worth taking there.......then is it really that hard to understand why the jets would take a hit on a couple hundred so called draft points, if they thought they could plug in two holes with 2 #1 picks?

Is that really that hard for you to understand?

Listen......players drop EVERY FRICKEN YEAR dude......
Last year it was Quinn. You could even make the case that Peterson dropped.
The year before it was Leinart
before that it was Rodgers

Do you really find it that hard to believe that a Jets team who won 4 fricken games last year may want to try to fill more than 1 hole???? Is that concept really that hard for you to grasp? Especially in a division where they face the Patiots twice a year?

The jets were 4-12 !!!!!! They have holes !!!!! Lots of them.

 

[iceberg]

and no playoff wins in 12 years. maybe to add a playmaker. o wait it's not possible according to you. 13-3 right wade er... iceberg what's the matter? couldn't sleep so you had to come whine about somebody's opinion?

dude - and we were so close to talking w/o stereotypes. : ) i thought we had a moment man!

1 running back won't change that, would they? not today, not this year - a running back has to be a part of a plan that takes advantage of what that rb can do. at his very best mcfadden would still have to be a part of the team.

maybe a fantastic part. maybe that fairy tale you reach for.

maybe.

maybe not.

probably not.

1 player won't change a direction. for us to have our best years, it took 3. none of those 3 were a reach. none of those 3 were a gamble at where we were at the time.

they were the best fit at the time we needed them. triplettes. not solo-mac-man.

but it still took 3. you're selling out to 1 now. making 1 more than the whole. me? i need the whole to measure up.

i'm glad you have your opinion dude. i now long for the day you put thought behind it.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Brick wall?? No, how about you just lack basic reading comprehension skills.


Look above, I highlighted, underlined, bolded, and italicized for you, so you wouldn't miss it. You made my point for me, but can't seem to grasp what I'm saying.

Now go back to my first post where this entire debate centered around how dallas would have to give up more than their 2 first round picks in order to move up. Now what did it say? I'll tell you since you're probably too lazy to do it. Here goes, pay attention........... Two number 1's are more than enough to move up to the 5-6-7-8-9 spot in the draft

Then I showed the so called "points chart" for picks....... again, here is a recap.....
Pick 5 is worth 1700
Pick 6 is worth 1600
Pick 7 is worth 1500
Pick 8 is worth 1400
Pick 9 is worth 1350

Pick 22 is worth 780
Pick 28 is worth 660

The jets pick is worth 1700 pts, and our two are worth 1440.......Not a huge difference, but yes, a difference....BUT when you combine the fact that, and I"M HIGHLIGHTING YOUR WORDS HERE NOT MINE........that there isn't a player, TE or WR worth taking there.......then is it really that hard to understand why the jets would take a hit on a couple hundred so called draft points, if they thought they could plug in two holes with 2 #1 picks?

Is that really that hard for you to understand?

Listen......players drop EVERY FRICKEN YEAR dude......
Last year it was Quinn. You could even make the case that Peterson dropped.
The year before it was Leinart
before that it was Rodgers

Do you really find it that hard to believe that a Jets team who won 4 fricken games last year may want to try to fill more than 1 hole???? Is that concept really that hard for you to grasp? Especially in a division where they face the Patiots twice a year?

The jets were 4-12 !!!!!! They have holes !!!!! Lots of them.

This is just dumb. Youre completely ignoring all the other teams the fact they could use McFadden etc. Youre basically saying they forgo the value of a high second so we can get what we are asking for.

 

[Rampage]

dude - and we were so close to talking w/o stereotypes. : ) i thought we had a moment man!

1 running back won't change that, would they? not today, not this year - a running back has to be a part of a plan that takes advantage of what that rb can do. at his very best mcfadden would still have to be a part of the team.

maybe a fantastic part. maybe that fairy tale you reach for.

maybe.

maybe not.

probably not.

1 player won't change a direction. for us to have our best years, it took 3. none of those 3 were a reach. none of those 3 were a gamble at where we were at the time.

they were the best fit at the time we needed them. triplettes. not solo-mac-man.

but it still took 3. you're selling out to 1 now. making 1 more than the whole. me? i need the whole to measure up.

i'm glad you have your opinion dude. i now long for the day you put thought behind it.

how can you even say that! Romo sure changed the direction of our team from what was before him. you don't know if mcfadden could change that and either do i. i think he could. but you act as if you already know he wouldn't. between your whining and knowing the future i must be talking to sylvia brown here.

 

[iceberg]

how can you even say that! Romo sure changed the direction of our team from what was before him. you don't know if mcfadden could change that and either do i. i think he could. but you act as if you already know he wouldn't. between your whining and knowing the future i must be talking to sylvia brown here.

but romo didn't get there alone did he?

you admit on one hand we don't know. yet you speculate, you do.

romo did change the direction. but he did it 3 years later. you're taking a flyer on someone without a day to mean the same.

you don't build long term off short vision.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Romo ;ooked liek poopoo without Owens and he was running for his life without Davis.

 

[Rampage]

but romo didn't get there alone did he?

you admit on one hand we don't know. yet you speculate, you do.

romo did change the direction. but he did it 3 years later. you're taking a flyer on someone without a day to mean the same.

you don't build long term off short vision.

this team is already built! it only needs the finishing touches. yeah no one can do it alone. but it's not like we'd just send mcfadden on the field alone.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Hey why not.... I'm all for bringing in a proven WR like Williams or Boldin!

 

[Beast_from_East]

Can someone explain how, with $3.5M in cap space we bring PacMan, R Williams and DMAC on board?

I could see a scenario, unlikely but possible, where we could get all 3. But how would we do it with as little cap room as we have?

PIXIE DUST, ITS MAGIACALLY GROWS THE CAP:laugh2:

 

[silverbear]

I've never listened to this station because I'm always at work, but today it was stated that a reliable source within the Cowboys organization has relayed to them at ESPN radio, that the Cowboys top WR they are pursuing is Roy Williams, if not Roy Williams then Anquan Boldin or Chad Johnson.......

Please, Jesus, let BSPN be right, just this one time...

I'll give up masturbation if you do...

OK, maybe not... but between us, I'll bet we can come up with something that will constitute fair value for your considerations...

 

[silverbear]

One thing about Al Davis. He could take DMAC there, or he could take you or me. He's that unpredictable.

I'll be sitting on my phone just incase though.

I thought I was the only one who did that... I still can't believe there's not a place in the NFL for a 55 year old who can run you a 6.0 second 40 all day, every day... and you don't EVEN wanna know how many reps I can do at 12 ounces...

 

[Woods]

Please, Jesus, let BSPN be right, just this one time...

I'll give up masturbation if you do...

OK, maybe not... but between us, I'll bet we can come up with something that will constitute fair value for your considerations...

Hey, don't knock my hobby. :laugh2:

(This thread is deteroriating fast.)

 

[risco]

I think Al Davis could definitely take McFadden. He would really help their new franchise QB I'd imagine. And if that's the case, we've got to include another pick or two (or maybe a player and a pick).

How could Al Davis afford to pick at the four spot. He has provide huge contracts to players already. It's probably likely that a trade with the Raiders will take place at some point.

Risco