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[CowboyWay]

This is what i like about you guys. You just ignore that both Jones have repeatedly stated that they think Barber is the real deal and that they will extend his contract and that they have no interest in trading the farm to get intot he top5 to get McFadden.

Its really quite entertaining.

Dude, read the thread. It was about if McFadden drops out of the top 5.

Oh, and God forbid we don't believe Jerry Jones when he talks about the draft. I mean c'mon. You can't believe a word any GM says this time of year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This is what i like about you guys. You just ignore that both Jones have repeatedly stated that they think Barber is the real deal and that they will extend his contract and that they have no interest in trading the farm to get intot he top5 to get McFadden.

Its really quite entertaining.

But it might not mean that they are not interested in trading up. I'm with you on the McFadden thing. I don't see us going after him either. However, there might be another player there that we want. The trade thing with Oakland, I could see working. They really do need to trade down, IMO, and pick up help on the OL. Future draft picks are probably better for them because of how much they've already spent. That would probably help there cap sito. I'm not saying this is a done deal. Just that I could see the logic in it and how Oakland might want to do a deal that may not cost as much as one might think, to move up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No, not really. Right now we have one good back. The jets have two. The Raiders are very high on Fargas, and have a secound rounder in Micheal Bush they are probably going to give a look too.

And neither the Jets owner or Al Davis is seen hanging out with the Razorbacks football team.

If you can't connect those dots, I can't help you.

But hey, I'm with you. I don't want to trade up for him, I just see it as a closer possibility than you do.

I'm guessing there were alot of fans, similar to you who didn't think there was any way Miami would pass over for Quinn for Ginn either, but it happened.

Jones has never drafted a Razorback and he is on record stating that he has no intention of doing this.

Oh and Thomas and Washington are not two 'good bacs.' They are imminently replaceable.

Also there was a reason why teams passed on Quinn. they felt he had already hit his ceiling but again were not just talking about one team we are talking about several. That logic works both ways. Most people have the Falcons going for Ryan but they could very much so use McFadden.

There are 5 teams in the top 10 that are all in a much better position than we are to get McFadden and could very much use him. This is before you consider most publications have hima s the top player in the draft.

but hey lets just ignore that. Ignore Jones track record and what hes on record saying. Lets ignore our roster and salary cap implications.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

But it might not mean that they are not interested in trading up. I'm with you on the McFadden thing. I don't see us going after him either. However, there might be another player there that we want. The trade thing with Oakland, I could see working. They really do need to trade down, IMO, and pick up help on the OL. Future draft picks are probably better for them because of how much they've already spent. That would probably help there cap sito. I'm not saying this is a done deal. Just that I could see the logic in it and how Oakland might want to do a deal that may not cost as much as one might think, to move up.

im with you there. 22 and 60 gets you up to around 14. That could mean a guy like Mendenhall, McKelvin or the like. You keep your other first and still have wiggle in the third round.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude, read the thread. It was about if McFadden drops out of the top 5.

Oh, and God forbid we don't believe Jerry Jones when he talks about the draft. I mean c'mon. You can't believe a word any GM says this time of year.

What has he lied about?

And this thread was about a report we interested in Roy Williams and nothing about McFadden.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

im with you there. 22 and 60 gets you up to around 14. That could mean a guy like Mendenhall, McKelvin or the like. You keep your other first and still have wiggle in the third round.

I could see us trying to move up into the top 5. Just not for McFadden. If we were really looking at moving around a little bit, then I could see Oakland being the team we do it with. Jerry and Al have always been real tight. It's no secret that Jerry doesn't want a Cap. Now, if you were talking to owners about removing the Cap, then it would make a great deal of sense for Jerry to speak to Al about this. After all, Al is one of Jerry's oldest supporters in the NFL. He's also a guy who carries a great deal of weight. I could see them having this discussion. Along with that, I could see Al making the commitment to spend now. Oakland has spent a ton of money this year. Honestly, I don't know how much more they want to spend. They really haven't addressed there biggest need, which is OL. Davis is a believer in spending high draft picks to get OLs. If I'm Davis and I already know the cap is gone, I might spend like I'm a drunken sailor out on Liberty. I might do that because I already have a deal in place to trade out of that spot. If I'm Jerry, I'm naturally going to talk with Al about trading up if there's a player there I want. My only real problem with all this is believing it's DMAC. To be honest, if we trade for Williams (2nd), then he's better then any of the WRs we might get in this years draft in the 1st IMO. If we trade for Packman (5th?) then he's better, from a skill level perspective, then anybody we might draft to play immediatly at CB. If we trade with Oakland, I could see it being a trade of say the early 1st this year and picks in future years. Who might we be looking at? We might be looking at a player like DMAC but we could be looking at a player like Gholsten or Long as well. Either of those guys could be a player that would help us long term. Imagine Gholsten opposite Ware. That would be even better then Phillips and Merriman IMO. A guy like Chris Long would also fit very well. Nobody likes Long at NT but he would fit perfectly in what Phillips wants in his NT. Or, he could be moved out to DE and be hell in our defense. All of this is speculation and it's pretty far fetched, I'm certain of that. But, I could see how the pieces could fit together on a trade like that.

 

[CowboyWay]

Jones has never drafted a Razorback and he is on record stating that he has no intention of doing this.

Oh and Thomas and Washington are not two 'good bacs.' They are imminently replaceable.

Also there was a reason why teams passed on Quinn. they felt he had already hit his ceiling but again were not just talking about one team we are talking about several. That logic works both ways. Most people have the Falcons going for Ryan but they could very much so use McFadden.

There are 5 teams in the top 10 that are all in a much better position than we are to get McFadden and could very much use him. This is before you consider most publications have hima s the top player in the draft.

but hey lets just ignore that. Ignore Jones track record and what hes on record saying. Lets ignore our roster and salary cap implications.

They just gave Thomas Jones a fat deal in free agency last year. They don't know who the hell their qb will be, and their D line is pathetic. To top it off they are in a division with the Pats. And there is only one way to beat them. By flat out getting after Brady.

Remember a couple years ago when the Texans passed on Bush? You remember what the GM said about why they did it? He said...."We are in the same division as the Colts......we're not going to outscore them. The only thing we can do is try to get incredible pressure on Manning"...... And thats why they took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Makes sense doesn't it?

Same thing here with the Jets. You want to beat Brady? You better bring the house.


Raiders..............have you had the unfortunate luck of watching them last year? I think my high school Oline was better. And they just gave 60 million to a qb. I would say its wiser to try and protect him than take a RB who can't run anywhere because the Dline is on his side of the line of scrimmage.

Like I said, I don't predict what Al Davis will do, thats a fools game.

But for someone like you who can't even accept the possibility that JJ might just love this kid, is a complete farce.

You keep talking about how people are "ignoring what Jerry is saying" when he said he wouldn't trade up in the top 5 for him, but, last year when they traded down, you could hear Stephen Jones in the war room, ON TV, say........"That could be McFadden next year". Its not out of the realm of possibility that JJ could work something out to get him.

He also said "wow" player. Are you ignoring that? You seem to want to pick and choose what you ignore and what you don't ignore when Jerry speaks.

 

[Rampage]

They just gave Thomas Jones a fat deal in free agency last year. They don't know who the hell their qb will be, and their D line is pathetic. To top it off they are in a division with the Pats. And there is only one way to beat them. By flat out getting after Brady.

Remember a couple years ago when the Texans passed on Bush? You remember what the GM said about why they did it? He said...."We are in the same division as the Colts......we're not going to outscore them. The only thing we can do is try to get incredible pressure on Manning"...... And thats why they took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Makes sense doesn't it?

Same thing here with the Jets. You want to beat Brady? You better bring the house.


Raiders..............have you had the unfortunate luck of watching them last year? I think my high school Oline was better. And they just gave 60 million to a qb. I would say its wiser to try and protect him than take a RB who can't run anywhere because the Dline is on his side of the line of scrimmage.

Like I said, I don't predict what Al Davis will do, thats a fools game.

But for someone like you who can't even accept the possibility that JJ might just love this kid, is a complete farce.

You keep talking about how people are "ignoring what Jerry is saying" when he said he wouldn't trade up in the top 5 for him, but, last year when they traded down, you could hear Stephen Jones in the war room, ON TV, say........"That could be McFadden next year". Its not out of the realm of possibility that JJ could work something out to get him.

He also said "wow" player. Are you ignoring that? You seem to want to pick and choose what you ignore and what you don't ignore when Jerry speaks.

damn man you shut em down, onyx

 

[big dog cowboy]

if PacMan comes and if Boldin or Williams are obtained for a 2nd round pick/ player combination, then Jerry will package those two firsts to move up in the draft...

I don't understand that logic at all.

If we get Pacman and a WR (Boldin or Williams) that means we trade up using our two first rounders? How do you reach that conclusion?

 

[burmafrd]

If we trade with the Raiders we have to pay top 4 money. Do you guys realize we are talking $25 million + guaranteed? Sure the cap hits for the first couple of years would not be bad= but after that it gets nasty. ANd its all fine to say the cap will be gone but is Jerrah going to gamble the future on that? THe Networks are losing money on the current deal and their audience is shrinking; there is no way that a big increase in the next TV deal is going to come. So the CAP even if it stays around is not going to see the huge jumps like the last 3 years. Then you look at the fact that we are going to have to give a mega deal to Ware soon even if we do not give one to Tnew. From a Cap standpoint it would be foolish in the extreme to go top 4. Now if he were to fall to 7+ maybe.

 

[jswalker1981]

What has he lied about?

And this thread was about a report we interested in Roy Williams and nothing about McFadden.

Are you sure? I only click on threads to argue whether or not we should trade up for DMac! If this isn't one of those threads than what am I doing here? Where am I?

I do think that a WR is the WOW player that Jones is looking for. In order of who I'd like, RW, Boldin (he is a close 2nd, mainly because I know he'd be a true team player and not complain about catches, not that RW would, but I'm certain Boldin wouldn't, unlike #3), Chad Johnson.

- Get Pacman
- Get either RW, Boldin, or CJ without trading our first rounders
- Draft a CB and RB with our 1st rounders

This would give us two very good corners to replace Reeves and Jones, a stud WR to go along with Owens, and a lightning to Barber's thunder. I think that would solve almost everyone's issues. JJ gets a WOW player and a Razorback (Felix Jones), we shore up our secondary with Pacman and a 1st rounder, and we boost our return teams with Pacman (PR) and F. Jones (KR).

Do it Jerry, and try to get away with just a 2nd rounder for a WR, that would give us a 3rd to get a OG.

 

[Primetime0201]

Get over it McFadden, Chad/Anquan/Williams and McFadden will be cowboys next year. If you don't like it... Well there are 31 other teams to get behind go find one.

 

[batman36]

I don't understand that logic at all.

If we get Pacman and a WR (Boldin or Williams) that means we trade up using our two first rounders? How do you reach that conclusion?

I think he was suggesting that with the acquistions of Adam Jones and one of the named WR's, the Cowboys' most pressing needs would have been satisfied, thus, they could move up to take D. McFadden.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I think he was suggesting that with the acquistions of Adam Jones and one of the named WR's, the Cowboys' most pressing needs would have been satisfied, thus, they could move up to take D. McFadden.

That is what I thought.

I don't see where getting Pacman and a WR justifies giving up the farm to get McFadden.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They just gave Thomas Jones a fat deal in free agency last year. They don't know who the hell their qb will be, and their D line is pathetic. To top it off they are in a division with the Pats. And there is only one way to beat them. By flat out getting after Brady.

Remember a couple years ago when the Texans passed on Bush? You remember what the GM said about why they did it? He said...."We are in the same division as the Colts......we're not going to outscore them. The only thing we can do is try to get incredible pressure on Manning"...... And thats why they took Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Makes sense doesn't it?

Same thing here with the Jets. You want to beat Brady? You better bring the house.


Raiders..............have you had the unfortunate luck of watching them last year? I think my high school Oline was better. And they just gave 60 million to a qb. I would say its wiser to try and protect him than take a RB who can't run anywhere because the Dline is on his side of the line of scrimmage.

Like I said, I don't predict what Al Davis will do, thats a fools game.

But for someone like you who can't even accept the possibility that JJ might just love this kid, is a complete farce.

You keep talking about how people are "ignoring what Jerry is saying" when he said he wouldn't trade up in the top 5 for him, but, last year when they traded down, you could hear Stephen Jones in the war room, ON TV, say........"That could be McFadden next year". Its not out of the realm of possibility that JJ could work something out to get him.

He also said "wow" player. Are you ignoring that? You seem to want to pick and choose what you ignore and what you don't ignore when Jerry speaks.

Since when is 4 years with $12 million guaranteed a 'fat' contract? Its also apparent you have ZERO idea what the deal with the Jets front 7 is. They just got jenkins. Ellis and Coleman are playing well for them. Pace is pretty good and the only spot they might want to upgrade is the other OLB. quite frankly unless Ghoulston or Ryan falls to them McFadden is infinitely their pick because they already have D Ferguson.

The comment by Stephen jones was under the assumption that the Browns would play like they typically play and the pick would've been top ten. Now I do not doubt that you are willing to delude yourself into thinking that he meant that he could trade both firsts plus more to aquire McFadden but that is dumb.

In no way shape or form has Jones done anything other than he has no intention of doing that of which you speak. Jones also is not a liar in those regards typically you will hear him say that they cannot comment on that right now but when he does actually comment you can accept the man at his word. He is not Bill Parcells.

Ajke Long will more than likely be off the board at 5 so who exactly do you have the Raiders going for at their spot? Really the only chance that they go oline here is IF Long is still on the board. Lets also not forget Al Davis track record in terms of the players he likes to draft. He loves speed guys that stretch the field and there is none better in this draft than McFadden.

this brings up another point. There is no evidence that the Raiders are even interested in trading out of the 5 spot. There is no evidence that ANY team in the top ten is wanting to trade down. Your entire scenario is a house of cards based on BS. Youre assuming that both Jones and Davis wnat the trade, that no one before that will pick him and that noone in the top 12 who is infinitely in a better position to deal up to the 5 or 6 spot.

The Bengals need to replace Rudi Johnson. McGahee is lesser than Barber and has noone behind him, the Pats are not happy with Maroney, the panthers are in desperate need of a back and the Broncos would love a guy like McFadden.

It isnt until the 16th pick that a teams 1st and second has less value than both our firsts so ANY team in the first 15 picks could trade their first and second and it would be a better deal then both our firsts.

Quite frankly your entire scenario is based on nothing but your own delusions.

 

[dbair1967]

I could see us trying to move up into the top 5. Just not for McFadden

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I'll be happy to bet almost anything you want on this, if we move up to the top 5-6-7 picks, its for McFadden

To be honest, if we trade for Williams (2nd), then he's better then any of the WRs we might get in this years draft in the 1st IMO.

This I totally agree with...none of the WR's drafted this yr are all that attractive IMO...they all have major holes somewhere

If we trade for Packman (5th?) then he's better, from a skill level perspective, then anybody we might draft to play immediatly at CB.

no argument on that either...he is a proven commodity

but we could be looking at a player like Gholsten or Long as well.

if they hadnt resigned Adams, I might buy the OL argument...but they did, so dont see the need. Especially with what we've invested in Adams, Davis and Gurode already and the fact we've drafted 3 OL (all really tackels) that they seem high on the past two years.

as for Gholston...we already have Ware and Ellis and we drafted Spencer last yr in the first rd, even traded back up to get him...he wasnt a world beater, but he showed alot of promise. Gholston is not a pure OLB and is a projection at that position, there is no guarantee he can make that same kind of move like Ware did...but its just overkill to think we're drafting an OLB with a high draft pick this yr

Either of those guys could be a player that would help us long term. Imagine Gholsten opposite Ware.

like I said above...already have Ellis and Spencer, and they arnt going anywhere

A guy like Chris Long would also fit very well. Nobody likes Long at NT but he would fit perfectly in what Phillips wants in his NT.

Long has absolutely zero chance of playing NT in the NFL

Or, he could be moved out to DE and be hell in our defense.

another position I have a hard time believing we have any real interest in, at least early in the draft

All of this is speculation and it's pretty far fetched, I'm certain of that. But, I could see how the pieces could fit together on a trade like that.

I wont be surprised if they trade up, but like I said I'll bet almost whatever you want that if we move up into the early part of the draft, its for one guy and one guy alone. McFadden. I could see other trade up scenarios as well where maybe we identify a player or two we think is clearly better than what we'll get at 22, and mvoe up 5-6-7 spots to get him...but a trade into the early part of the draft is for DMC.

David

 

[CowboyWay]

Since when is 4 years with $12 million guaranteed a 'fat' contract? Its also apparent you have ZERO idea what the deal with the Jets front 7 is. They just got jenkins. Ellis and Coleman are playing well for them. Pace is pretty good and the only spot they might want to upgrade is the other OLB. quite frankly unless Ghoulston or Ryan falls to them McFadden is infinitely their pick because they already have D Ferguson.

The comment by Stephen jones was under the assumption that the Browns would play like they typically play and the pick would've been top ten. Now I do not doubt that you are willing to delude yourself into thinking that he meant that he could trade both firsts plus more to aquire McFadden but that is dumb.

In no way shape or form has Jones done anything other than he has no intention of doing that of which you speak. Jones also is not a liar in those regards typically you will hear him say that they cannot comment on that right now but when he does actually comment you can accept the man at his word. He is not Bill Parcells.

Ajke Long will more than likely be off the board at 5 so who exactly do you have the Raiders going for at their spot? Really the only chance that they go oline here is IF Long is still on the board. Lets also not forget Al Davis track record in terms of the players he likes to draft. He loves speed guys that stretch the field and there is none better in this draft than McFadden.

this brings up another point. There is no evidence that the Raiders are even interested in trading out of the 5 spot. There is no evidence that ANY team in the top ten is wanting to trade down. Your entire scenario is a house of cards based on BS. Youre assuming that both Jones and Davis wnat the trade, that no one before that will pick him and that noone in the top 12 who is infinitely in a better position to deal up to the 5 or 6 spot.

The Bengals need to replace Rudi Johnson. McGahee is lesser than Barber and has noone behind him, the Pats are not happy with Maroney, the panthers are in desperate need of a back and the Broncos would love a guy like McFadden.

It isnt until the 16th pick that a teams 1st and second has less value than both our firsts so ANY team in the first 15 picks could trade their first and second and it would be a better deal then both our firsts.

Quite frankly your entire scenario is based on nothing but your own delusions.

Its funny, you think I'm delusional because I can see scenarios that would include us getting McFadden.

But you don't think you're delusional for not seeing how the Jets may not want him.

My whole premise is basically......Anything can happen during the draft, and yours is.....No, no it can't.

I'm pretty much done with you. Its like talking to a brick wall.

 

[Rampage]

Since when is 4 years with $12 million guaranteed a 'fat' contract? Its also apparent you have ZERO idea what the deal with the Jets front 7 is. They just got jenkins. Ellis and Coleman are playing well for them. Pace is pretty good and the only spot they might want to upgrade is the other OLB. quite frankly unless Ghoulston or Ryan falls to them McFadden is infinitely their pick because they already have D Ferguson.

The comment by Stephen jones was under the assumption that the Browns would play like they typically play and the pick would've been top ten. Now I do not doubt that you are willing to delude yourself into thinking that he meant that he could trade both firsts plus more to aquire McFadden but that is dumb.

In no way shape or form has Jones done anything other than he has no intention of doing that of which you speak. Jones also is not a liar in those regards typically you will hear him say that they cannot comment on that right now but when he does actually comment you can accept the man at his word. He is not Bill Parcells.

Ajke Long will more than likely be off the board at 5 so who exactly do you have the Raiders going for at their spot? Really the only chance that they go oline here is IF Long is still on the board. Lets also not forget Al Davis track record in terms of the players he likes to draft. He loves speed guys that stretch the field and there is none better in this draft than McFadden.

this brings up another point. There is no evidence that the Raiders are even interested in trading out of the 5 spot. There is no evidence that ANY team in the top ten is wanting to trade down. Your entire scenario is a house of cards based on BS. Youre assuming that both Jones and Davis wnat the trade, that no one before that will pick him and that noone in the top 12 who is infinitely in a better position to deal up to the 5 or 6 spot.

The Bengals need to replace Rudi Johnson. McGahee is lesser than Barber and has noone behind him, the Pats are not happy with Maroney, the panthers are in desperate need of a back and the Broncos would love a guy like McFadden.

It isnt until the 16th pick that a teams 1st and second has less value than both our firsts so ANY team in the first 15 picks could trade their first and second and it would be a better deal then both our firsts.

Quite frankly your entire scenario is based on nothing but your own delusions.

idk bout you but i live in new york and watch just about every jet game. #1 jenkins has gotten hurt what 2 of the past 3 seasons. #2 elllis and coleman and everyone on that D-line got pushed around like they were little kids on that team. they need to revamp that whole D-line cause they were getting punked every sunday.

 

[Hostile]

I've never listened to this station because I'm always at work, but today it was stated that a reliable source within the Cowboys organization has relayed to them at ESPN radio, that the Cowboys top WR they are pursuing is Roy Williams, if not Roy Williams then Anquan Boldin or Chad Johnson.......

I am shocked.

 

[dmq]

IMO it seems that if PacMan comes and if Boldin or Williams are obtained for a 2nd round pick/ player combination, then Jerry will package those two firsts to move up in the draft...

that might = WOW!