13 years

[RoadRunner]

Jerry wants to win with Jerry in control of football matters. If you could promise Jerry a Super Bowl win, GUARANTEE IT, but it meant he had to resign as GM and hire someone else, I truly believe he would refuse to do it. So, I do believe he wants to win, but only in a scenario where he gets the credit.

I agree with this. Jerry most certainly would have fired any other person who was GM during this slump. I doubt he would let it get to 13 years and counting before he fired the GM if it weren't himself.

 

[bbgun]

Looked it up when you made the comment

its Corinna Harney

She's certainly well-preserved, but Playboy and Penthouse reject hundreds of 20-yo tight-bodied hotties every day, which makes me wonder if she'd still make the cut. Ever watch an episode of "The Evaluators" on Howard Stern TV? Brutal.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Hard to believe. I was sitting here this morning, on vacation, looking through my 2009 Cowboys Annual, when I remembered.... 13 years since the DALLAS COWBOYS, America's Team, won a playoff game.

It is ridiculous. It is sad. I am guessing it is the longest stretch in Cowboys history.

I was thinking about it as I read criticisms of the Giants for signing Eli Manning (or about to sign) to the big contract.

Who are we to criticize anyone right now? The Giants won a Super Bowl with that QB at the helm not too long ago. The freaking Cardinals have gone to a Super Bowl since we last won a playoff game. The CARDINALS. One of the most embarrassing football franchises ever to exist.

This has to be our year. Its been long enough. Its time for the Dallas Cowboys to be the Dallas Cowboys again. Not just another team, but a playoff winning team.

Super Bowl Champions: (5)
VI (1971), XII, (1977), XXVII (1992), XXVIII (1993), XXX (1995)

NFL Champions (pre 1966):
None

Super Bowls Appearances: (8)
V (1970), VI (1971), X (1975),
XII (1977), XIII (1978),
XXVII (1992), XXVIII (1993),
XXX (1995)

NFL Championship Games (Pre-1966):
None

NFL/NFC Championship
Games: (16)
1966, 1967, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1992, 1993, 1994,
1995

Division Champions: (20)
1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1973, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1981, 1985, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 2007

Playoff Appearences: (29)
1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998, 1999, 2003, 2006, 2007

Record in Playoff Games:
32-24 .571

thank you Jean Jacques Taylor. In other news, Christmas is on December 25.

 

[Idgit]

I'll remember that the next time you ***** and moan about the press.

My opinion is that the Dallas press sucks. I don't ***** and moan about it, but I do have an opinion. But the point is you seem to think you're holding the team accountable for something and that that service you perform for the community has meaning beyond making the regular season less enjoyable for you. It doesn't.

Did you read the thread? I'm expecting 10-6. That's the "worst"?

Good point. 10-6 isn't far from my own guess of 11-5. That's kind of amusing considering how much our outlooks on any given topic diverge.

The last 13 years haven't been painful to you? Then I'm impressed, not to mention bewildered.

Some of them have been very painful. That's not the point. The point is I don't let my frustrations from previous seasons influence what I hope happens this year. It's bewildering to me that you do, since it's entirely possible we'll snap that sad string this year.

Is amateur psychology a hobby of yours?

Sorry, but you're just a garden-variety hater. They fail to reflect your extreme biases about the team (how dare they!), so you hurl ad hominems and tantrums instead. Boo hoo.

This is nonsense. I'm on record what I think about the press, and why. I'm on record, too, with plenty of legitimate criticism of the team which you either never read or which you choose to disregard.

The fact is that even the local media was hugely positive about the Cowboys last season. The Dallas press sucked then for the same reason they suck now. They instigate and they don't bother to do the work to find interesting angles or unique stories. They're inaccurate and they appeal to the lowest common denominator of the Cowboys fanbase. This applies to the homers like Mickey as well as to more negative journalists like JFE or Galloway. The reality is, sports journalism is pretty much between Obituaries and Entertainment in the pecking order of intellectuals in the low-paying world of local market journalism. There's a reason good journalist move in to national media: they're better at their jobs.

As I said earlier, we all want them to win. But when they don't, what's our recourse? Whistle a bouncy tune and pray that Jerry finally gets it right? If teams don't operate on blind faith (and they don't), why should fans? I'm a fan, not an enabler.

Again with this weird perspective you have that your outlook on the team somehow affects anything beyond your own enjoyment of the season. What is it you think is getting enabled, exactly? I choose to be hopeful about the team when there's reason to hope. This is because being hopeless despite there being reason for hope doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not blind, and it's not faith. But I fail to see the problem with whistling happy tunes and praying we get it right.

True, but there's a reason why other more "reality-based" Cowboy forums exist--comprised by many ex-Zoners. That alone should prompt just a little critical self-reflection, no? Being a Dallas fan doesn't mean leaving your brain at the door.

I don't visit other Cowboy boards, so I wouldn't know. You and I clearly aren't going to agree what 'reality based' might mean, but the fact that a site full of Eeyores exists someplace is hardly going to move me to self-reflect.

Hardly a bragging point in this overnight "rags to riches" league. Baltimore, Atlanta and Arizona would concur.

No need to brag about it. The fact is, this is a competitive team, and anything can happen. There's very little point in worrying about factors beyond our control. What's so wrong about enjoying the ride? It won't be too long before we're back in rebuilding mode again and low expectations are actually appropriate.

That's the thing: around here, you can never be too positive, but you can sure as hell be too critical. The fix is always in.

That's not the thing around here at all. Sure, it's less annoying to have posters be too positive, but there's plenty of blowback in the threads about Romo being the best QB ever or the ones comparing Wade's winning percentage to Belichick's.

You can also sure as hell be critical, if you're smart about the things you criticize. This team missed the playoffs last year for a lot of legitimate reasons. There's not a single poster I've come across who isn't aware of this fact.

What you can't do, and get away with, is be consistently critical about all the wrong things. On a good board, that's supposed to get posters flamed. The fact that it does here is a good sign, not a bad one.

 

[rcaldw]

we suck its over . i predict an 0-16 season



at least if we win a game it will be better than my expectations

Why do we have to have the football fan version of bipolar reaction any time anything remotely critical is brought to the forefront?

I don't understand why for some fans to see ANYTHING wrong would REQUIRE a total rejection of the team?

Can you understand COMPLETE commitment to your team (for me now it has been about 39 years), and STILL WANTING CERTAIN THINGS to change/get better?

 

[rcaldw]

Maybe. But we've had pretty good talent acquisition since he left so I tend to think it's more the guys with their ears to the ground than anyone up top.

I agree with Zrin on this one, I think it is a good point also. My question would be, though, why did that start after Parcells arrived? Did they retain some of the "ears to the ground" people that arrived with him? Or did Parcells teach Jerry a thing or two?

 

[rcaldw]

name the teams that have won more super bowls than us in the last 20 years.

all you need to do is adjust your impressions of how long a long time is, 20 years is a blink of the eye.

there is no live off of, the cowboys have 5 super bowls, the cowboys are forever. 3 of those came with jerry at the helm, more than the great tom landry ever won, and he is a god in dallas, and in texas.

the whole concept is pretty ridiculous that the 3 don't count and that there is a time limit on how long they last, they are forever.

With this reasoning you will be satisfied forever. How long will it take the Cardinals to win 5? Heck, the Cowboys have enough division championships, conference championships and super bowls dating back to the 70's that they don't need to win another single game for the rest of time.

Four, you can be satisfied with 3-13 until the NFL goes out of business with such a positive outlook!

 

[Fletch]

Nice retort Idgit!

 

[fgoodwin]

you think we win those three superbowls without jerry?

How many teams can say they were the dynasty of the 90s?

I give Jerry-the-GM full credit for those SB wins. But if that had been any other GM, do you think Jerry-the-owner would still have him around after 12 years w/o a playoff win? Look at how many coaches he's gone through in that time -- do you think any other GM besides the owner would've lasted this long with such a playoff drought?