13 years

[rcaldw]

Parcells is still living off two from the 80s. Shanahan and Holmgren from the 90s as well.

I think Parcells is mainly responsible for the improvement that we have seen in our talent base these last several years. Before Parcells came, we didn't have near the roster we do now.

 

[Rampage]

NFC east teams play each other in the playoffs all the time .... I cannot remember it ever happening in this division.

the Giants have done it twice.
http://forum.therx.com/showthread.php?t=652298

 

[cowboys#1]

we suck its over . i predict an 0-16 season



at least if we win a game it will be better than my expectations

 

[zrinkill]

1982 Miami Dolphins vs. New York Jets Won 1983 Seattle Seahawks vs. Los Angeles Raiders Lost 1986 New York Giants vs. Washington Commanders Won 1989 Houston Oilers vs. Pittsburgh Steelers Lost 1991 Kansas City Chiefs vs. Los Angeles Raiders Won 1992 Kansas City Chiefs vs. San Diego Chargers Lost 1993 Los Angeles Raiders vs. Denver Broncos Won 1994 Minnesota Vikings vs. Chicago Bears Lost 1994 Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns Won 1997 New England Patriots vs. Miami Dolphins Won 1997 Green Bay Packers vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers Won 1998 Dallas Cowboys vs. Arizona Cardinals Lost 1999 Tennessee Titans vs. Jacksonville Jaguars Won 2000 New York Giants vs. Philadelphia Eagles Won 2002 Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Cleveland Browns Won 2004 St. Louis Rams vs. Seattle Seahawks Won 2004 Green Bay Packers vs. Minnesota Vikings Lost 2007 Dallas Cowboys vs. New York Giants Lost

the Steelers also beat the Ravens 3 times last season.

So the Giants have done it twice? That hurt my eyes.

 

[Rampage]

So the Giants have done it twice? That hurt my eyes.

:laugh2: my bad. that's why I edited it and just gave you the link.

 

[zrinkill]

You know what Zrin? I agree with most everything you have here. My only difference with you would be in "finding talent". If you mean he'll go get talent, I'm with you. If you mean a shrewd talent evaluator, I don't think Jerry is good at that.

Glad we can come to an almost agreement.

 

[zrinkill]

:laugh2: my bad. that's why I edited it and just gave you the link.

I did not know that .....

All I know is that the Cowboys cannot do it. :laugh2:

 

[bbgun]

News flash: short of not consuming the product, you're not in any position to hold anybody accountable.

I'll remember that the next time you ***** and moan about the press.

Expecting the worst doesn't make anyone account for anything.

Did you read the thread? I'm expecting 10-6. That's the "worst"?

It's just a way for you to vent frustration or to avoid the pain of having expectations unmet.

The last 13 years haven't been painful to you? Then I'm impressed, not to mention bewildered.

That's childishness masquerading as pragmatism. It's not a reason to be proud. Consider changing your avatar from Underdog to Droopy.

Is amateur psychology a hobby of yours?

Blame the media? That's got nothing to do with expectations. The Dallas media gets blamed for being bad, not for being slanted.

Sorry, but you're just a garden-variety hater. They fail to reflect your extreme biases about the team (how dare they!), so you hurl ad hominems and tantrums instead. Boo hoo.

Naively hoping for the best? Someday soon you'll have to explain to us what you think is naive about being hopeful.

As I said earlier, we all want them to win. But when they don't, what's our recourse? Whistle a bouncy tune and pray that Jerry finally gets it right? If teams don't operate on blind faith (and they don't), why should fans? I'm a fan, not an enabler.

I assume what you really mean is having unrealistic expectations. If that's the case, then the debate surrounds what are the realistic possibilities for this team. My guess is that most objective assessments would be that it's a playoff-caliber squad. In which case someone will have to explain to me the wisdom of bemoaning the recent history of playoff futility instead of just enjoying the ride.

You're a soft touch. If you're cool with regular season success as some sort of consolation prize, then that's your prerogative. The rest of us have higher standards.

All things being equal, perhaps happy fans are as annoying as the clothes-renders. All things aren't equal, though. For one, this is a fan site, so it's reasonable to assume a majority of the people who come here to participate are going to be positively disposed to their team.

True, but there's a reason why other more "reality-based" Cowboy forums exist--comprised by many ex-Zoners. That alone should prompt just a little critical self-reflection, no? Being a Dallas fan doesn't mean leaving your brain at the door.

Number two, the team happens to be competitive right now.

Hardly a bragging point in this overnight "rags to riches" league. Baltimore, Atlanta and Arizona would concur.

Pumping sunshine in the middle of the Campo era makes no sense. Comparing 65 year old Vinny Testaverde to Troy Aikman makes no sense. This squad, however, has a chance to be really good. Our window of opportunity is now. Spare us your frustration that we prefer to see it as half-open.

That's the thing: around here, you can never be too positive, but you can sure as hell be too critical. The fix is always in.

 

[theogt]

I think Parcells is mainly responsible for the improvement that we have seen in our talent base these last several years. Before Parcells came, we didn't have near the roster we do now.

Maybe. But we've had pretty good talent acquisition since he left so I tend to think it's more the guys with their ears to the ground than anyone up top.

 

[zrinkill]

Maybe. But we've had pretty good talent acquisition since he left so I tend to think it's more the guys with their ears to the ground than anyone up top.

That is a very good point.

 

[DallasEast]

Jerry isn't the Cowboys. Owners come and go; the Cowboys are forever.

Until Jones relinquishes control of the team, he IS the Cowboys, but the rest I agree with 100%.

 

[bbgun]

Until Jones relinquishes control of the team, he IS the Cowboys, but the rest I agree with 100%.

He's just the public face of the Cowboys, as gruesome as that face is.

 

[DallasEast]

He's just the public face of the Cowboys, as gruesome as that face is.

He's a tad bit more than that.

 

[bbgun]

He's a tad bit more than that.

Fine. Temporary custodian.

 

[Four]

Um, how long are we supposed to live off the fumes of those Super Bowls? Another decade or so? If you have to go that far back to make Jerry the GM look respectable, you have a problem.

name the teams that have won more super bowls than us in the last 20 years.

all you need to do is adjust your impressions of how long a long time is, 20 years is a blink of the eye.

there is no live off of, the cowboys have 5 super bowls, the cowboys are forever. 3 of those came with jerry at the helm, more than the great tom landry ever won, and he is a god in dallas, and in texas.

the whole concept is pretty ridiculous that the 3 don't count and that there is a time limit on how long they last, they are forever.

 

[bbgun]

name the teams that have won more super bowls than us in the last 20 years.

all you need to do is adjust your impressions of how long a long time is, 20 years is a blink of the eye.

there is no live off of, the cowboys have 5 super bowls, the cowboys are forever. 3 of those came with jerry at the helm, more than the great tom landry ever won, and he is a god in dallas, and in texas.

the whole concept is pretty ridiculous that the 3 don't count and that there is a time limit on how long they last, they are forever.

I'm as nostalgic as anyone (see sig), but the 1990s have precious little to do with today. If the glory years of the 1960s and 1970s weren't enough to save Landry's job, then why is the man who fired him any different? Maybe you think the 1992 Playmate of the Year deserves to be next month's centerfold.

 

[zrinkill]

Maybe you think the 1992 Playmate of the Year deserves to be next month's centerfold.

Recent pic

Still hot at 37

 

[bbgun]

Recent pic

Still hot at 37

But is her body still smoking? Meaning centerfold worthy? Doubtful. What's her name?

 

[zrinkill]

But is her body still smoking? Meaning centerfold worthy? Doubtful. What's her name?

Looked it up when you made the comment

its Corinna Harney

 

[theogt]

Taken in 2008:

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