17-year-old sexual assault victim could face charges for tweeting names of attackers

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Taken aback by some of these responses.

Kudos to the young lady for having the gumption to put this trash on blast.
Kudos to the courts for righting their wrong in this instance.

Some of you...really ? Shameful it seems.
 

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SkinsandTerps;4631104 said:
Taken aback by some of these responses.

Kudos to the young lady for having the gumption to put this trash on blast.
Kudos to the courts for righting their wrong in this instance.

Some of you...really ? Shameful it seems.

Not sure the courts righted all the wrong done here.. but kudos to the girl for sure.
 

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Cythim;4631014 said:
The fact that she has been outspoken about it leads be to believe she will make it through and will not be ruined by it. Forever change, certainly, but not ruined.

I'm right with you Cythim. I have read and heard too many testimonies of people who've been through similar or worse situations who have overcome and lived happy, productive, and fulfiling lives.

This is a strange thread. You and I are being called out for, I guess, being insensitive towards the girl by seemingly everyone else. Which is strange since you and I are the ones saying this girl has hope and a future while everyone else is saying she is "ruined" with little to no hope.

Tell me again who is being insensitive?
 

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NorthTexan95;4631168 said:
I'm right with you Cythim. I have read and heard too many testimonies of people who've been through similar or worse situations who have overcome and lived happy, productive, and fulfiling lives.

This is a strange thread. You and I are being called out for, I guess, being insensitive towards the girl by seemingly everyone else. Which is strange since you and I are the ones saying this girl has hope and a future while everyone else is saying she is "ruined" with little to no hope.

Tell me again who is being insensitive?

Where did anyone else say she had no hope for a bright future in this thread? If you could point out those posts to me, i would appriciate it. Thanks.
 

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NorthTexan95;4631168 said:
I'm right with you Cythim. I have read and heard too many testimonies of people who've been through similar or worse situations who have overcome and lived happy, productive, and fulfiling lives.

This is a strange thread. You and I are being called out for, I guess, being insensitive towards the girl by seemingly everyone else. Which is strange since you and I are the ones saying this girl has hope and a future while everyone else is saying she is "ruined" with little to no hope.

Tell me again who is being insensitive?
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Update:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48292780/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/#.UA7SR6DAETA

"A Kentucky teenager frustrated by light punishment for two boys who pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting her was spared Monday from having to face a contempt charge for naming them on Twitter in violation of a court order. The case of Savannah Dietrich, 17, quickly gathered supporters nationwide who were upset that the victim of an assault could be punished for speaking out against her attackers.
The girl turned to Twitter after she said she was frustrated with what she felt was a lenient plea deal. The judge had ordered no one to speak about the case, which was in juvenile court.
On Monday, attorneys for the boys dropped their motion to charge her with contempt. David Mejia, an attorney for one of the boys, said the decision to withdraw the motion had nothing to do with public sentiment and online attention to the case."
 

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RoyTheHammer;4631170 said:
Where did anyone else say she had no hope for a bright future in this thread? If you could point out those posts to me, i would appriciate it. Thanks.


Here you go ...


RoyTheHammer - [FONT="Verdana","sans-serif"]Her life was ruined[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana","sans-serif"][FONT="Arial","sans-serif"]Cowboys&LakersFan[/FONT]- most likely scared for life[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana","sans-serif"][FONT="Arial","sans-serif"]wittenacious[/FONT]- scars she will have to struggle to bear throughout her life.[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana","sans-serif"][FONT="Arial","sans-serif"]wittenacious[/FONT]- Her life has been forever negatively affected/altered, at the very least...so also ruined to a very great degree, certainly[/FONT]

[FONT="Verdana","sans-serif"][FONT="Arial","sans-serif"]wittenacious[/FONT]- The fact that the horrible situation happened won't ever go away. Somethingof extreme importance was forever taken from her, and that is ruination in andof itself.[/FONT]
 

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Forgive the formatting above. Cutting and pasting didn't workout so well.

Could this event be so horrible that she's messed up for the rest of her life? Maybe. Could she instead turn this into something positive such as dedicating her life to helping others who have been through such a situation? Maybe. Most likely she'll fall somewhere in between those two extremes.

We don't know the girl and we don't know the support structure around the girl. But many in this thread want to emphasize how messed up her life is going to be when it might not.
 

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NorthTexan95;4631221 said:
Forgive the formatting above. Cutting and pasting didn't workout so well.

Could this event be so horrible that she's messed up for the rest of her life? Maybe. Could she instead turn this into something positive such as dedicating her life to helping others who have been through such a situation? Maybe. Most likely she'll fall somewhere in between those two extremes.

We don't know the girl and we don't know the support structure around the girl. But many in this thread want to emphasize how messed up her life is going to be when it might not.

I don't think anyone was saying in this thread that she's messed up for life. She is scarred for life by this traumatic event that happened to her though and its something she will have to carry with her and struggle with over her remaining years.

Can she overcome it and go on to lead a happy, healthy life? Of course there is that chance for her.. but the chance of her having serious mental and emotional problems for the rest of her life is greatly increased when something this traumatic happens to you as a child.

My issue with you is how you are either not understanding that or severly trying to minimize the damage that these boys caused to this child.
 

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RoyTheHammer;4631226 said:
I don't think anyone was saying in this thread that she's messed up for life. She is scarred for life by this traumatic event that happened to her though and its something she will have to carry with her and struggle with over her remaining years.

Can she overcome it and go on to lead a happy, healthy life? Of course there is that chance for her.. but the chance of her having serious mental and emotional problems for the rest of her life is greatly increased when something this traumatic happens to you as a child.

My issue with you is how you are either not understanding that or severly trying to minimize the damage that these boys caused to this child.

I don't believe I am doing either of those. My original post was about your "ruined for life" comment which I greatly disagree with. I never said it would be easy or quick ... I just said it could be done. But if she's waking up every day thinking "my life is ruined" or if those around her are saying "your life is ruined" then it makes recovery that much harder.
 

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NorthTexan95;4631168 said:
I'm right with you Cythim. I have read and heard too many testimonies of people who've been through similar or worse situations who have overcome and lived happy, productive, and fulfiling lives.

This is a strange thread. You and I are being called out for, I guess, being insensitive towards the girl by seemingly everyone else. Which is strange since you and I are the ones saying this girl has hope and a future while everyone else is saying she is "ruined" with little to no hope.

Tell me again who is being insensitive?

For the record...Although your timing and wording of it made it reasonable that people would not understand what you meant...I understood it and did not really have a problem with it.

Now with Cythim is not a bad guy at all and I understand the general point he is trying to make but he seems to now be arguing for the sake of arguing and really doing a bad job at it to the point he is just better off dropping it.

Hope that makes sense. :cool:
 

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NorthTexan95;4631244 said:
I don't believe I am doing either of those. My original post was about your "ruined for life" comment which I greatly disagree with. I never said it would be easy or quick ... I just said it could be done. But if she's waking up every day thinking "my life is ruined" or if those around her are saying "your life is ruined" then it makes recovery that much harder.

I don't think you understood what i meant by the comment, and im sure i could have made it clearer, but her innocence is now ruined. It was taken from her, raped away from her. Can she still lead a happy, healthy life eventually? Yes, but the chances of such have been greatly reduced by boys who took away her ability to decide how the events of this child's life unfold, in a disgusting and traumatizing way.

..and again, no one close to her is going to be telling her that her life is ruined, so im confused as to why you keep bringing that up as if it relates to people discussing her case on a message board or through some other medium that isn't going to be seen or heard by any of the people being discussed.
 

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I wonder if Northtexan and Cythim are the same? Sure sound like it

Yeah just shrug off rape its no big deal.

OR

That was not rape.
 

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burmafrd;4631271 said:
I wonder if Northtexan and Cythim are the same? Sure sound like it

Yeah just shrug off rape its no big deal.

OR

That was not rape.

I think they are also RoytheHammer as well....that should really blow your mind and amp up aluminum foil stock. ;) :p:
 

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burmafrd;4631271 said:
I wonder if Northtexan and Cythim are the same? Sure sound like it

Yeah just shrug off rape its no big deal.

OR

That was not rape.


No, we're not the same. No one on either side of the argument is blowing off the rape ... or sexual assault ... or however it is defined.
 

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RoyTheHammer;4631266 said:
I don't think you understood what i meant by the comment, and im sure i could have made it clearer, but her innocence is now ruined. It was taken from her, raped away from her. Can she still lead a happy, healthy life eventually? Yes, but the chances of such have been greatly reduced by boys who took away her ability to decide how the events of this child's life unfold, in a disgusting and traumatizing way.

..and again, no one close to her is going to be telling her that her life is ruined, so im confused as to why you keep bringing that up as if it relates to people discussing her case on a message board or through some other medium that isn't going to be seen or heard by any of the people being discussed.
To put a finer point on it... I was married to a young woman, who I found out — after marriage — had been abused as a child and then later as a young lady... about the age of the young girl this thread is about.

Sexually abused by a step-father as a 5-6 year old, then later abused by lowlife's who thought she'd witnessed a drug deal at school and were afraid she'd rat them out if the cops ever interviewed her as a possible witness.

The latter incident: she was falsely lured to a close acquaintance's house after school (a friend of hers was put up to it by the scumbag dope dealer and, under fear of retaliation, did as told) and she was abused... sexually, fingers broken, cigarette burns, etc. The cops botched the gathering of evidence and county/city jurisdiction lines were improperly adhered to... some such... as I was given to understand.

The guilty parties got off on technicalities. She was so traumatized by what had happened, she lost her memory of specific events. I know that to be true. She could never recount them to me, years later. I'd sit with her in movies where if a woman was hit, beaten, or even shouted at, she would cringe and grab my hand in the dark, squeezing it for dear life as she tried to curl up and hide in her seat. Scarred for life? Yeah, I'd say so.

I inherited her "ruined" life. She appeared happy-go-lucky on the outside. Made friends easily. Always seemed to have a bright spirit and outlook. In truth... dark and brooding inside, as I found out over the next 10 years. I tried to maker her as happy as I could. Protect her. Love her. She suffered from hating herself, I was told by people who understood the often messed up psyche of abused children.

She acted out in self destructive ways... by having affairs, lying, drinking in private without me knowing, etc. Won't go into all the gory details, but it was a mess... a life truly stolen from her as a child and again as a high-schooler.

So I take it personally when some refuse to allow for the reality of the potential depth of hurt and pain caused by such a traumatic event as sexual abuse by non-consent... rape. Not all rape victims are doomed to the same fate as my ex-wife, but all are scarred due to some part of themselves truly being ruined for life... whether they acknowledge it or not.

I tried reasoning w/o bringing personal stuff up. Now I'm just pissed by the willing "happy happy, good thoughts overcome all" blindness, and then follow-up unwillingness to acknowledge other points of view, by some.

Now I've gotta back away from this thread. I let it get to me and I'm liable to say something that gets me an infraction... possibly banned... if I keep reading more willing ignorance on parade.
 
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I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that when someone gets raped it doesn't ruin their life. Yeah they may still be alive, but life is never the same for them again.
 

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wittenacious;4631294 said:
To put a finer point on it... I was married to a young woman, who I found out — after marriage — had been abused as a child and then later as a young lady... about the age of the young girl this thread is about.

Sexually abused by a step-father as a 5-6 year old, then later abused by lowlife's who thought she'd witnessed a drug deal at school and were afraid she'd rat them out if the cops ever interviewed her as a possible witness.

The latter incident: she was falsely lured to a close acquaintance's house after school (a friend of hers was put up to it by the scumbag dope dealer and, under fear of retaliation, did as told) and she was abused... sexually, fingers broken, cigarette burns, etc. The cops botched the gathering of evidence and county/city jurisdiction lines were improperly adhered to... some such... as I was given to understand.

The guilty parties got off on technicalities. She was so traumatized by what had happened, she lost her memory of specific events. I know that to be true. She could never recount them to me, years later. I'd sit with her in movies where if a woman was hit, beaten, or even shouted at, she would cringe and grab my hand in the dark, squeezing it for dear life as she tried to curl up and hide in her seat. Scarred for life? Yeah, I'd say so.

I inherited her "ruined" life. She appeared happy-go-lucky on the outside. Made friends easily. Always seemed to have a bright spirit and outlook. In truth... dark and brooding inside, as I found out over the next 10 years. I tried to maker her as happy as I could. Protect her. Love her. She suffered from hating herself, I was told by people who understood the often messed up psyche of abused children.

She acted out in self destructive ways... by having affairs, lying, drinking in private without me knowing, etc. Won't go into all the gory details, but it was a mess... a life truly stolen from her as a child and again as a high-schooler.

So I take it personally when some refuse to allow for the reality of the potential depth of hurt and pain caused by such a traumatic event as sexual abuse by non-consent... rape. Not all rape victims are doomed to the same fate as my ex-wife, but all are scarred due to some part of themselves truly being ruined for life... whether they acknowledge it or not.

I tried reasoning w/o bringing personal stuff up. Now I'm just pissed by the willing "happy happy, good thoughts overcome all" blindness, and then follow-up unwillingness to acknowledge other points of view, by some.

Now I've gotta back away from this thread. I let it get to me and I'm liable to say something that gets me an infraction... possibly banned... if I keep reading more willing ignorance on parade.

Im very sorry it had to come down to this witten and my thoughts and prayers go out to you and your ex wife and both of your families. Hopefully by relating this, it will at least do some good in changing the way people who read it may feel about just how serious "sexual assault" (or whatever legal term you want to define this particular case as) really is.
 

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wittenacious;4631294 said:
To put a finer point on it... I was married to a young woman, who I found out — after marriage — had been abused as a child and then later as a young lady... about the age of the young girl this thread is about.

Sexually abused by a step-father as a 5-6 year old, then later abused by lowlife's who thought she'd witnessed a drug deal at school and were afraid she'd rat them out if the cops ever interviewed her as a possible witness.

The latter incident: she was falsely lured to a close acquaintance's house after school (a friend of hers was put up to it by the scumbag dope dealer and, under fear of retaliation, did as told) and she was abused... sexually, fingers broken, cigarette burns, etc. The cops botched the gathering of evidence and county/city jurisdiction lines were improperly adhered to... some such... as I was given to understand.

The guilty parties got off on technicalities. She was so traumatized by what had happened, she lost her memory of specific events. I know that to be true. She could never recount them to me, years later. I'd sit with her in movies where if a woman was hit, beaten, or even shouted at, she would cringe and grab my hand in the dark, squeezing it for dear life as she tried to curl up and hide in her seat. Scarred for life? Yeah, I'd say so.

I inherited her "ruined" life. She appeared happy-go-lucky on the outside. Made friends easily. Always seemed to have a bright spirit and outlook. In truth... dark and brooding inside, as I found out over the next 10 years. I tried to maker her as happy as I could. Protect her. Love her. She suffered from hating herself, I was told by people who understood the often messed up psyche of abused children.

She acted out in self destructive ways... by having affairs, lying, drinking in private without me knowing, etc. Won't go into all the gory details, but it was a mess... a life truly stolen from her as a child and again as a high-schooler.

So I take it personally when some refuse to allow for the reality of the potential depth of hurt and pain caused by such a traumatic event as sexual abuse by non-consent... rape. Not all rape victims are doomed to the same fate as my ex-wife, but all are scarred due to some part of themselves truly being ruined for life... whether they acknowledge it or not.

I tried reasoning w/o bringing personal stuff up. Now I'm just pissed by the willing "happy happy, good thoughts overcome all" blindness, and then follow-up unwillingness to acknowledge other points of view, by some.

Now I've gotta back away from this thread. I let it get to me and I'm liable to say something that gets me an infraction... possibly banned... if I keep reading more willing ignorance on parade.
That's a very sad story and I'm sure it took a lot for you to type all that just to get your points acrossed. Your ex-wife lived a very difficult life thus far due to horrible incidents in her life, I wish her well so that she can fully enjoy the life that she so deserves.
 

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Muhast;4631204 said:
Update:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48292780/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/#.UA7SR6DAETA

"A Kentucky teenager frustrated by light punishment for two boys who pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting her was spared Monday from having to face a contempt charge for naming them on Twitter in violation of a court order. The case of Savannah Dietrich, 17, quickly gathered supporters nationwide who were upset that the victim of an assault could be punished for speaking out against her attackers.
The girl turned to Twitter after she said she was frustrated with what she felt was a lenient plea deal. The judge had ordered no one to speak about the case, which was in juvenile court.
On Monday, attorneys for the boys dropped their motion to charge her with contempt. David Mejia, an attorney for one of the boys, said the decision to withdraw the motion had nothing to do with public sentiment and online attention to the case."

of course it didn't.
 
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