2 Penalties- 2 Questions?

[dcjules]

First let me say penalties didn't cost Dallas the game, a 36 yard throw did and 2 big time clutch kicks. BUT, 2 penalties that did alter the game bother me. Unsportmanslike on Butler....30 years ago that was flagged?? I read someone post that it seemed premeditated to make that call..either specifically looking for it or someone arguing for it (which could backfire). Either way that is a crew that is looing to make their mark in my mind!! Butler not even in the huddle, but maybe we don't get the rule at all...My real question is the PI on Brown at the end.... Ball overthrown by 10plus yards intercepted by Heath. Yet, PI is called for contact 20 yards from where ball landed. Isnt that illegal contact or holding??? Why PI??? difference in 20-25 yards of field position. Can someone explain?? I saw replay of 1st qtr play, couple of plays before Butler gaffe... Dak throws to his right, apparently to no one, balls falls to ground harmeless...flag thrown due to someone had grabbed Dez...holding penalty....same freaking play!!!

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

First let me say penalties didn't cost Dallas the game, a 36 yard throw did and 2 big time clutch kicks. BUT, 2 penalties that did alter the game bother me. Unsportmanslike on Butler....30 years ago that was flagged?? I read someone post that it seemed premeditated to make that call..either specifically looking for it or someone arguing for it (which could backfire). Either way that is a crew that is looing to make their mark in my mind!! Butler not even in the huddle, but maybe we don't get the rule at all...My real question is the PI on Brown at the end.... Ball overthrown by 10plus yards intercepted by Heath. Yet, PI is called for contact 20 yards from where ball landed. Isnt that illegal contact or holding??? Why PI??? difference in 20-25 yards of field position. Can someone explain?? I saw replay of 1st qtr play, couple of plays before Butler gaffe... Dak throws to his right, apparently to no one, balls falls to ground harmeless...flag thrown due to someone had grabbed Dez...holding penalty....same freaking play!!!

More importantly, if you review the video, the ball had not even left Rodgers' hand when Brown made the contact. It could not have been pass interference.

 

[big dog cowboy]

My real question is the PI on Brown at the end.... Ball overthrown by 10plus yards intercepted by Heath. Yet, PI is called for contact 20 yards from where ball landed. Isnt that illegal contact or holding??? Why PI??? difference in 20-25 yards of field position. Can someone explain??

It should have been called defensive holding, 5 yard penality and 1st down.

The refs blew the call. I know I know it's shocking.

 

[robbieruff]

On the second one, the only explanation I heard from the head official in his post game comments was that the contact from Brown happened when the ball was in the air. (after AR released the pass)..apparently making it a PI instead of a hold/contact penalty by rule...I was saying the same thing at the time, along with the fact that Rodgers was outside the pocket and my understanding is you can then touch receivers again in those circumstances.

 

[robbieruff]

More importantly, if you review the video, the ball had not even left Rodgers' hand when Brown made the contact. It could not have been pass interference.

Yeah - i didn't look closely at the replay to confirm whether ball had been released yet or not.

 

[dcjules]

Did anyone question it during the broadcast??? Did Garret at the time??? Obviously a huge play on Brown's PI. As soon as it happened I question it and referred to the Dez play in 1st qtr.... If I am missing something please share, but what was the difference in the 2 plays!! Ball in the air, and that may be questionable....

 

[mugsybows]

First let me say penalties didn't cost Dallas the game, a 36 yard throw did and 2 big time clutch kicks. BUT, 2 penalties that did alter the game bother me. Unsportmanslike on Butler....30 years ago that was flagged?? I read someone post that it seemed premeditated to make that call..either specifically looking for it or someone arguing for it (which could backfire). Either way that is a crew that is looing to make their mark in my mind!! Butler not even in the huddle, but maybe we don't get the rule at all...My real question is the PI on Brown at the end.... Ball overthrown by 10plus yards intercepted by Heath. Yet, PI is called for contact 20 yards from where ball landed. Isnt that illegal contact or holding??? Why PI??? difference in 20-25 yards of field position. Can someone explain?? I saw replay of 1st qtr play, couple of plays before Butler gaffe... Dak throws to his right, apparently to no one, balls falls to ground harmeless...flag thrown due to someone had grabbed Dez...holding penalty....same freaking play!!!

Yeah it was a terribly officiated game. They were looking for stuff to throw on us. It shouldn't have been PI it should have been illegal contact. Correnti is a hack

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Why do you guys start off by saying penalties didn't cost us this game but proceed to bring up two crucial points in the game that had a deciding factor in the game? It definetly took part in our loss. No questions asked.

 

[dcjules]

Why do you guys start off by saying penalties didn't cost us this game but proceed to bring up two crucial points in the game that had a deciding factor in the game? It definetly took part in our loss. No questions asked.

True all penalties can impact a game, those called and not called....buts its 31-31.....with 30 secs left...last couple plays were great plays by GB....woulda coulda shoulda game you can play all day....but bottom line is Defense allowed a big play with 10 secs left...

 

[Silver N Blue]

Did anyone question it during the broadcast??? Did Garret at the time??? Obviously a huge play on Brown's PI. As soon as it happened I question it and referred to the Dez play in 1st qtr.... If I am missing something please share, but what was the difference in the 2 plays!! Ball in the air, and that may be questionable....

If memory serves me correct...I won't watch a replay...at least right now..Red was shaking his head, noticeably upset, and started clapping....

 

[sbark]

Why do you guys start off by saying penalties didn't cost us this game but proceed to bring up two crucial points in the game that had a deciding factor in the game? It definetly took part in our loss. No questions asked.

......and then skip the neck-tie piggyback holding call on Irving on the 35 yard pass by Rogers to set up the walk off feild goal.

 

[sbark]

True all penalties can impact a game, those called and not called....buts its 31-31.....with 30 secs left...last couple plays were great plays by GB....woulda coulda shoulda game you can play all day....but bottom line is Defense allowed a big play with 10 secs left...

if Irving isnt held........does he have the physical ability and length to be able to close on Rogers enough rolling out to his left to effect the 35 yard pass to Cook?...........at least make it forced quicker (not stop clock) and accuracy where Cook had had drops late in game to make a incomplete pass?

I think Irving is able to do at least one or the other

 

[dcjules]

......and then skip the neck-tie piggyback holding call on Irving on the 35 yard pass by Rogers to set up the walk off feild goal.

very true, missed call on Irving would have changed things....regardless, 4 receivers and 7 DB's, guys gotta cover someone for one freaking play!!

 

[sbark]

very true, missed call on Irving would have changed things....regardless, 4 receivers and 7 DB's, guys gotta cover someone for one freaking play!!

I gotta beleive Irving has shown the physical ability to follow Rogers rolling out to the Left and force that throw earlier and less accuracy...........Irving has shown that in the last 1/3 of the season.

Another play from M.Collins caught my eye earlier in game, he ended up being a tad late as noted by Aikman, but it showed his excellent closing speed. Collins had dropped off into zone coverage spotted Rogers rolling to his right.....Collins closed and gave Rogers a excellent shot but ball released.....but his closing speed for a man that size was unreal.........LB type

 

[dallasdave]

If memory serves me correct...I won't watch a replay...at least right now..Red was shaking his head, noticeably upset, and started clapping....

 

[Nova]

Yeah - i didn't look closely at the replay to confirm whether ball had been released yet or not.

Just watched it again thanks to @Zordon.

It was close, but it had not been thrown during the contact.

I just posted this in the other thread, but furthermore, the "ball in the air" is the rule, but that really just means "ball in the area/imminent catch/ball in its arc descent".

The Line Judge is not responsible for observing the QB, nor is it really possible to, which is why "ball in the air" really means "ball in the area".

 

[Paniolo22]

The correct call would be holding. To be honest, it could have and maybe should have been NOTHING. By letter of the law, yes, but we have all seen worse plays NOT called at all....IN THIS SAME GAME!

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

First let me say penalties didn't cost Dallas the game, a 36 yard throw did and 2 big time clutch kicks. BUT, 2 penalties that did alter the game bother me. Unsportmanslike on Butler....30 years ago that was flagged?? I read someone post that it seemed premeditated to make that call..either specifically looking for it or someone arguing for it (which could backfire). Either way that is a crew that is looing to make their mark in my mind!! Butler not even in the huddle, but maybe we don't get the rule at all...My real question is the PI on Brown at the end.... Ball overthrown by 10plus yards intercepted by Heath. Yet, PI is called for contact 20 yards from where ball landed. Isnt that illegal contact or holding??? Why PI??? difference in 20-25 yards of field position. Can someone explain?? I saw replay of 1st qtr play, couple of plays before Butler gaffe... Dak throws to his right, apparently to no one, balls falls to ground harmeless...flag thrown due to someone had grabbed Dez...holding penalty....same freaking play!!!

Don't forget the mysterious flag in the secondary that magically disappeared on the Butler penalty.

 

[superonyx]

Why do you guys start off by saying penalties didn't cost us this game but proceed to bring up two crucial points in the game that had a deciding factor in the game? It definetly took part in our loss. No questions asked.

I agree.
But they do it because this place has some attack dogs that will sniff out and attack any poster who dares to blame officials. I think it makes them nervous that somehow it will lead to the FO not improving the roster or something goofy.

 

[tyke1doe]

It should have been called defensive holding, 5 yard penality and 1st down.

The refs blew the call. I know I know it's shocking.

The refs also blew at least two calls on our defensive backs holding Packers receivers.

Fans ALWAYS complain about bad calls when their favorite teams lose. And there are almost always missed calls in games.

My take is unless they are egregious, they should never decide the final minutes of a game.