2 Penalties- 2 Questions?

[LandryFan]

Just watched it again thanks to @Zordon.

It was close, but it had not been thrown during the contact.

I just posted this in the other thread, but furthermore, the "ball in the air" is the rule, but that really just means "ball in the area/imminent catch/ball in its arc descent".

The Line Judge is not responsible for observing the QB, nor is it really possible to, which is why "ball in the air" really means "ball in the area".

Which begs the question of why can't penalties be reviewed? I realize that generally speaking that can open up a whole new can of worms, but in crucial situations (final two minutes of each half...or at least final two minutes of the game) there is no excuse not to get those right. The officials were conferring after that flag and I'm pretty sure that the discussion centered around whether the ball was in the air at the time of the hold/grab. They erroneously came to the conclusion that it was. Had the Ref had the authority to review the play, he would have been able to make the correct call, no questions asked. The league pretends to want to improve the quality of games...well there is an instance where they have the resources to do just that, but refuse to do so. That might mean having to give up one or two commercials during a game. JMO.

 

[Grevus]

It should have been called defensive holding, 5 yard penality and 1st down.

The refs blew the call. I know I know it's shocking.

No use crying over this, but, why didn't GB get a flag on the Witten pass? Clearly that was PI, but no call.

I think the refs did an extremely bad job during this game. There were no flags against both teams that should have been called. It just felt like the ones against the Cowboys were at killer times. I didn't see GB get any calls that really put them in a bad spot. Maybe it's the homer in me.

 

[dcjules]

I still don't think the calls made or not made lost the game for Dallas...Yeah Yeah Irving may have been held....Cover somebody..freaken 36 yard completion....

 

[Kevinicus]

First let me say penalties didn't cost Dallas the game, a 36 yard throw did and 2 big time clutch kicks. BUT, 2 penalties that did alter the game bother me. Unsportmanslike on Butler....30 years ago that was flagged?? I read someone post that it seemed premeditated to make that call..either specifically looking for it or someone arguing for it (which could backfire). Either way that is a crew that is looing to make their mark in my mind!! Butler not even in the huddle, but maybe we don't get the rule at all...My real question is the PI on Brown at the end.... Ball overthrown by 10plus yards intercepted by Heath. Yet, PI is called for contact 20 yards from where ball landed. Isnt that illegal contact or holding??? Why PI??? difference in 20-25 yards of field position. Can someone explain?? I saw replay of 1st qtr play, couple of plays before Butler gaffe... Dak throws to his right, apparently to no one, balls falls to ground harmeless...flag thrown due to someone had grabbed Dez...holding penalty....same freaking play!!!

The difference was 5 yards. The PI penalty was only 10 yards.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

True all penalties can impact a game, those called and not called....buts its 31-31.....with 30 secs left...last couple plays were great plays by GB....woulda coulda shoulda game you can play all day....but bottom line is Defense allowed a big play with 10 secs left...

They do and I will sound like a homer and fair enough but those plays helped result into us losing this game. Those plays should be brought up just as much as Aaron Rodgers throw to Cook are brought up. They all equally hurt us.

I agree.
But they do it because this place has some attack dogs that will sniff out and attack any poster who dares to blame officials. I think it makes them nervous that somehow it will lead to the FO not improving the roster or something goofy.

Oh I understand exactly why they do it but I don't care. Anyone can attack if they want. You can't sit here and say those missed calls didn't hurt us. There were missed calls on both sides. No doubt. It was poorly officiated for both teams. Got it. But those missed calls hurt us just as much as that Rodgers pass to Cook did. Fans shouldn't be afraid to admit that because of the fear of sounding like a homer.

 

[dcjules]

They do and I will sound like a homer and fair enough but those plays helped result into us losing this game. Those plays should be brought up just as much as Aaron Rodgers throw to Cook are brought up. They all equally hurt us.



Oh I understand exactly why they do it but I don't care. Anyone can attack if they want. You can't sit here and say those missed calls didn't hurt us. There were missed calls on both sides. No doubt. It was poorly officiated for both teams. Got it. But those missed calls hurt us just as much as that Rodgers pass to Cook did. Fans shouldn't be afraid to admit that because of the fear of sounding like a homer.

Not a fear at all...I just believe for the most part you deal with it and move forward....I agree calls that happen can dictate a flow of a game, but adapt and overcome.... all of this discussion doesn't change the fact that it was 31-31...30 secs left...if you say holding on Irving forces OT so be it... that is true...

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not a fear at all...I just believe for the most part you deal with it and move forward....I agree calls that happen can dictate a flow of a game, but adapt and overcome.... all of this discussion doesn't change the fact that it was 31-31...30 secs left...if you say holding on Irving forces OT so be it... that is true...

It does change the fact though. The score was 31-31 at the time of a arguable hold. This team is not good enough to overcome bad calls all game from the refs. Its just not and in their defense i'm not sure if anyone is.

 

[Seven]

The refs also blew at least two calls on our defensive backs holding Packers receivers.

Fans ALWAYS complain about bad calls when their favorite teams lose. And there are almost always missed calls in games.

My take is unless they are egregious, they should never decide the final minutes of a game.

..................and three times as many holding calls via the GB OL. IMO.

 

[CWR]

......and then skip the neck-tie piggyback holding call on Irving on the 35 yard pass by Rogers to set up the walk off feild goal.

That play clearly sealed our fate. I actually thought it was crappy on both sides but after I saw how OBVIOUS the hold on Irving was I lost it... Im done watching the NFL unless its a Cowboys game. I hate the product Goodell has put on the field. Id quit altogether if it wasnt for my love of this team.

 

[Fmart322]

That big play where Irving was giving a piggyback ride to the Packers guard? No call by the way because it was a spectacular play by Aaron Rodgers. The Chiefs were called for holding on way less of a hold their 2 point conversation attempt.
There's zero consistency in the NFL regarding officiating and that's killing the league.

True all penalties can impact a game, those called and not called....buts its 31-31.....with 30 secs left...last couple plays were great plays by GB....woulda coulda shoulda game you can play all day....but bottom line is Defense allowed a big play with 10 secs left...

 

[gimmesix]

The refs also blew at least two calls on our defensive backs holding Packers receivers.

Fans ALWAYS complain about bad calls when their favorite teams lose. And there are almost always missed calls in games.

My take is unless they are egregious, they should never decide the final minutes of a game.

Green Bay also clearly interfered with Witten twice in the end zone, leading to us having to kick a field goal. I agree that fans always complain, but there are some good reasons to complain in this one considering the number of penalties called against Dallas compared to the number called against the Packers.

 

[tyke1doe]

Green Bay also clearly interfered with Witten twice in the end zone, leading to us having to kick a field goal. I agree that fans always complain, but there are some good reasons to complain in this one considering the number of penalties called against Dallas compared to the number called against the Packers.

I agree the non-call on Witten should have been a penalty. But the Cowboys' penalties didn't surprise me. They're part of a pattern of bonehead mistakes at the most inappropriate times. Sigh.

 

[Trueboysfan]

How about the blantantly obvious holding call that took place on the sideline throw that put the Packers in posistion to win the game? The pi should have never been called and i couldnt believe the unsportsmanlike conduct call. All of them at critical times in the game.

 

[gimmesix]

I agree the non-call on Witten should have been a penalty. But the Cowboys' penalties didn't surprise me. They're part of a pattern of bonehead mistakes at the most inappropriate times. Sigh.

I just would like it to be even. If you're going to call pass interference on Brown, then call pass interference when Witten is tackled. That's all I ask.

I know that officials blow calls and miss calls all the time, but I just want it to turn out equitable, and this game wasn't, which plays a role in a three-point loss.

 

[strollinruss]

Why do you guys start off by saying penalties didn't cost us this game but proceed to bring up two crucial points in the game that had a deciding factor in the game? It definetly took part in our loss. No questions asked.

I agree 100%.

 

[speedkilz88]

• Anthony Brown was fooled by Ty Montgomery and a stutter-go, and he was thus was forced to grab him. It was a shame that he made that mistake, because Jeff Heath was in really nice position to help him on the play. What was surprising about the call in my opinion was the foul was committed before the ball left Aaron Rodgers’ hand. That call is usually made as defensive holding with the referee saying prior to the pass and a five yard walk off. In the post-game pool report, Tony Corrente said that the ball was in the air and that wasn’t the case at all. Those extra five yards kept the Packers in field goal range which they were successful making from 56 yards. The exact same situation happened earlier in the game when LaDarius Gunter grabbed Dez Bryant which resulted in a five yard penalty because the ball was not out of Dak Prescott’s hand.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2...down-10-plays-swung-divisional-loss-green-bay

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

• Anthony Brown was fooled by Ty Montgomery and a stutter-go, and he was thus was forced to grab him. It was a shame that he made that mistake, because Jeff Heath was in really nice position to help him on the play. What was surprising about the call in my opinion was the foul was committed before the ball left Aaron Rodgers’ hand. That call is usually made as defensive holding with the referee saying prior to the pass and a five yard walk off. In the post-game pool report, Tony Corrente said that the ball was in the air and that wasn’t the case at all. Those extra five yards kept the Packers in field goal range which they were successful making from 56 yards. The exact same situation happened earlier in the game when LaDarius Gunter grabbed Dez Bryant which resulted in a five yard penalty because the ball was not out of Dak Prescott’s hand.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/2017/01/16/scout’s-eye-breaking-down-10-plays-swung-divisional-loss-green-bay

The officiating just keeps getting better and better the more you hear stuff like this lol.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

If memory serves me correct...I won't watch a replay...at least right now..Red was shaking his head, noticeably upset, and started clapping....

What else could he do? They don't change calls just because you complain.

 

[Sarge]

The hands to the face call was also mystifying (and incorrect).

 

[Boyzmamacita]

The difference was 5 yards. The PI penalty was only 10 yards.

I thought it was the spot of the foul.