2008 Rookie Corner Class (how they performed statistically)

[theogt]

no, the performance in itself is what you look at, not how many times a corner was targeted

that's called "piling on"

No, because better corners are typically targeted less than lesser corners. That's the point of being a "shut down" corner.

ok

Anthony Henry was targeted alot in '06, but still did very well

again, it's performance, not the number of targets

That's funny, because this is a perfect example of the rule and not the exception. Typically, the corner opposite Terence Newman, whoever it is, is targeted a lot.

Terence Newman > Anthony Henry

 

[Future]

It was how many TDs were scored against that corner.

Making it awfully hard to keep my eyes off of DRC and Flowers.

According to the stats Flowers had a terrible season, and having played only 9 games as a starter.

Ah, thanks that makes wayyy more sense. I didn't think it was possible for a rookie CB to get six TDs :laugh2:

his ypa was very good in '06, despite the high number of targets

Yea, but when a team completes ten 8 yard curl routes in a row, bang, they are in the red zone. He always played way off the ball b/c he doesn't have the speed to cover deep stuff, but that leaves the shorter stuff wide open.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, because better corners are typically targeted less than lesser corners. That's the point of being a "shut down" corner.

That's funny, because this is a perfect example of the rule and not the exception. Typically, the corner opposite Terence Newman, whoever it is, is targeted a lot.

Terence Newman > Anthony Henry

so inexperienced corners and non-established corners are never targeted alot

gotcha'

no **** Newman is better than Henry, that was never at issue, theodore

 

[theogt]

so inexperienced corners and non-established corners are never targeted alot

gotcha'

Of course they do. Corners that aren't as good get targeted a lot, whether experienced or not.

no **** Newman is better than Henry, that was never at issue, theodore

Ah...but it was the issue. Terence is the better corner in his duo, thus he gets targeted less.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course they do. Corners that aren't as good get targeted a lot, whether experienced or not.

and a rookie getting targeted a lot has more to do with the fact that coordinators know they're rookies, and that they have a tendency to struggle

 

[theogt]

and a rookie getting targeted a lot has more to do with the fact that coordinators know they're rookies, and that they have a tendency to struggle

If you'd read more slowly, you'd remember that this was already addressed in this thread.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course they do. Corners that aren't as good get targeted a lot, whether experienced or not.

Ah...but it was the issue. Terence is the better corner in his duo, thus he gets targeted less.

because he was proven before '06 to be a better corner

 

[Mansta54]

so inexperienced corners and non-established corners are never targeted alot

gotcha'

no **** Newman is better than Henry, that was never at issue, theodore

Sure they are and so are weak corners like AH cause the QB's know that their chances are far better against them...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you'd read more slowly, you'd remember that this was already addressed in this thread.

having a feeling that a rookie will struggle, and actually knowing that they will are 2 different things

as you can see not every rookie corner last year struggled, even though heading into the season the thought was in every coordinators mind that they would

 

[theogt]

because he was proven before '06 to be a better corner

Oh, yes, that's probably it. And it probably had nothing to do with him actually covering his receiver better, thus getting targeted less.

Sometimes, even the most basic football concepts are so hard for you to grasp.

 

[AdamJT13]

McKelvin had two interceptions but is credited with zero at that site. Giving him credit for his interceptions would drop his "passer rating allowed" to 89.3.

Also, it's interesting to see how different the stats (targets, yards allowed, etc.) on that site are from those compiled by Tony Pisano (see here -- http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144049). And I'm sure they're both quite different from those compiled by STATS, K.C. Joyner and Football Outsiders, too. That just shows how subjective some of those stats are (or how poorly some people pay attention or know what they're seeing).

 

[theogt]

having a feeling that a rookie will struggle, and actually knowing that they will are 2 different things

as you can see not every rookie corner last year struggled, even though heading into the season the thought was in every coordinators mind that they would

You're contradicting yourself here. If every coordinator "felt" that every rookie would struggle, they would all be targeted the same. But they weren't. Some were targeted more. And that's possibly because they weren't as good at covering their responsibility.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Oh, yes, that's probably it. And it probably had nothing to do with him actually covering his receiver better, thus getting targeted less.

Sometimes, even the most basic football concepts are so hard for you to grasp.

sometimes you're so stupid and earnest to prove a point that you miss certain things

how can a rookie prove before his rookie season that he's giong to cover his receiver better than an established, or veteran corner, lining up across from him? like Newman proving in '04 and '05 that he was a damn, good cover conerback, and better than A Henry, thus getting targeted less in '06

 

[theogt]

McKelvin had two interceptions but is credited with zero at that site. Giving him credit for his interceptions would drop his "passer rating allowed" to 89.3.

Also, it's interesting to see how different the stats (targets, yards allowed, etc.) on that site are from those compiled by Tony Pisano (see here -- http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144049). And I'm sure they're both quite different from those compiled by STATS, K.C. Joyner and Football Outsiders, too. That just shows how subjective some of those stats are (or how poorly some people pay attention or know what they're seeing).

More likely the culprit, I'm sure.

 

[theogt]

sometimes you're so stupid and earnest to prove a point that you miss certain things

how can a rookie prove before his rookie season that he's giong to cover his receiver better than an established, or veteran corner, lining up across from him? like Newman proving in '04 and '05 that he was a damn, good cover conerback, and better than A Henry

You've become so confused, you're almost incomprehensible at this point.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You're contradicting yourself here. If every coordinator "felt" that every rookie would struggle, they would all be targeted the same. But they weren't. Some were targeted more. And that's possibly because they weren't as good at covering their responsibility.

it's impossible for any corner to be targeted the same as a different corner

take this list for example, none of those guys were targeted the same

you have Chevis Jackson appearing in more games than Brandon Flowers, and getting targeted less

 

[Mansta54]

it's impossible for any corner to be targeted the same as a different corner

Huh!!

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Huh!!

go read it again, I expounded on that comment

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You've become so confused, you're almost incomprehensible at this point.

how so? it falls in line with what I've been saying this whole thread

the unknown and more inexperienced guy is automatically going to be targeted more until he's proven that he can cover well

it's not knowing precisely that they will struggle, it's testing them and proving that idea right or wrong

 

[Mansta54]

it's impossible for any corner to be targeted the same as a different corner

take this list for example, none of those guys were targeted the same

you have Chevis Jackson appearing in more games than Brandon Flowers, and getting targeted less

The bottomline is, any corner or safety who the OC or QB feels is the WEAKEST will get the most work such as AH and Roy.. It's just that simple!!!