2008 Rookie Corner Class (how they performed statistically)

[Bob Sacamano]

The bottomline is, any corner or safety who the OC or QB feels is the WEAKEST will get the most work such as AH and Roy.. It's just that simple!!!

can inexperience be considered a weakness in itself?

 

[TheCount]

Aqib Talib surprised all of us.

After that singular video of him being beat by Jordy Nelson, we all wrote him off as not a good CB, but he did do a great job.

Who is "us" and "we all", I always liked him even when he was being called everything from a pot head to dog slow. The guy I was wrong on was Flowers, he played very well as a rookie.

 

[Mansta54]

can inexperience be considered a weakness in itself?

Of course, that's why rookie corners are picked on so much...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Of course, that's why rookie corners are picked on so much...

THANK YOU

that's only what I've been trying to get across this whole time

and in 5 games, Porter proved that he was inexperienced, and despite that, he gave up far less TDs in those 8.2 attempts, thrown at him per game, than Brandon Flowers, who did a great job of limiting completions and yards per catch himself

 

[Mansta54]

THANK YOU

that's only what I've been trying to get across this whole time

and in 5 games, Porter proved that he was inexperienced, and despite that, he gave up far less TDs in those 8.2 attempts, thrown at him per game, than Brandon Flowers, who did a great job of limiting completions and yards per catch himself

But that doesn't mean that OC and QB's arent gonna continue to target him...

 

[Bob Sacamano]

But that doesn't mean that OC and QB's arent gonna continue to target him...

they probably will continue to, since he only has 5 games under his belt, and didn't shut anyone down in them

his performance from here on out will be key, against those many targets against him

 

[AdamJT13]

THANK YOU

that's only what I've been trying to get across this whole time

and in 5 games, Porter proved that he was inexperienced, and despite that, he gave up far less TDs in those 8.2 attempts, thrown at him per game, than Brandon Flowers, who did a great job of limiting completions and yards per catch himself

The original post in this thread is wrong (or maybe the Web site changed their stats in the past couple of hours). They have Flowers allowing one TD catch, not seven, and a 61.1 rating, not 102.6.

 

[jterrell]

he didn't see as much playing time, but saw as much action as anyone else, and graded about the same

He didn't grade about the same at all. His YPA was awful because of his inflated total yards allowed.

Because he only played 5 games that means he allowed about 80 yards per game which is downright awful.

 

[theogt]

The original post in this thread is wrong (or maybe the Web site changed their stats in the past couple of hours). They have Flowers allowing one TD catch, not seven, and a 61.1 rating, not 102.6.

You are right. It was Roderick Hood (listed one below Flowers) that had given up 7 TDs.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He didn't grade about the same at all. His YPA was awful because of his inflated total yards allowed.

Because he only played 5 games that means he allowed about 80 yards per game which is downright awful.

yeah, I would think getting thrown at 8.2 times a game, he would give up alot

still, all those yards and only 2 TDs given up

 

[jterrell]

yeah, I would think getting thrown at 8.2 times a game, he would give up alot

still, all those yards and only 2 TDs given up

probably just means he gave up too large a cushion.
a lot of youngsters do that.

with such a small sample its hardly a deathknell for Porter.

guys will get better and WRs will get tape on some of the other guys who shined as rookies.

everyone knew it was a good class and talib was hardly a surprise to any scout as he was often listed the best or second best overall CB except for his dbag attitude. jenkins had some of those same concerns but to a lesser extent.

just glad we got 2 CBs out of the group. it was the perfect draft to double up at CB in.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

probably just means he gave up too large a cushion.
a lot of youngsters do that.

with such a small sample its hardly a deathknell for Porter.

guys will get better and WRs will get tape on some of the other guys who shined as rookies.

everyone knew it was a good class and talib was hardly a surprise to any scout as he was often listed the best or second best overall CB except for his dbag attitude. jenkins had some of those same concerns but to a lesser extent.

just glad we got 2 CBs out of the group. it was the perfect draft to double up at CB in.

true dat

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I think Dallas did well to draft two good young corners in 2008.

 

[theogt]

Updated numbers:

Name		Games	Att.	Comp.	Comp. %	Yards	YPA	TDs	INTs	PDs	QB Rating
Leodis McKelvin	9	23	15	65.2%	163	7.09	3	2	2	89.3
DRC		16	77	44	57.1%	496	6.44	5	4	9	76.5
Aqib Talib	10	24	11	45.8%	164	6.83	2	4	4	56.9
Mike Jenkins	13	47	28	59.6%	320	6.81	3	1	4	92.5
Antoine Cason	11	61	46	75.4%	373	6.11	3	2	6	93.1
Brandon Flowers	9	43	22	51.2%	289	6.72	1	2	13	61.1
Tracy Porter	5	41	27	65.9%	357	8.71	2	1	3	99.3
Terrell Thomas	11	34	21	61.8%	262	7.71	2	1	2	93.0
Chevis Jackson	16	42	24	57.1%	262	6.24	0	1	4	65.9
O. Scandrick	14	46	28	60.9%	268	5.83	1	0	4	84.3

Ordered by QB Rating

Name		Games	Att.	Comp.	Comp. %	Yards	YPA	TDs	INTs	PDs	QB Rating
Aqib Talib	10	24	11	45.8%	164	6.83	2	4	4	56.9
Brandon Flowers	9	43	22	51.2%	289	6.72	1	2	13	61.1
Chevis Jackson	16	42	24	57.1%	262	6.24	0	1	4	65.9
DRC		16	77	44	57.1%	496	6.44	5	4	9	76.5
O.Scandrick	14	46	28	60.9%	268	5.83	1	0	4	84.3
Leodis McKelvin	9	23	15	65.2%	163	7.09	3	2	2	89.3
Mike Jenkins	13	47	28	59.6%	320	6.81	3	1	4	92.5
Terrell Thomas	11	34	21	61.8%	262	7.71	2	1	2	93.0
Antoine Cason	11	61	46	75.4%	373	6.11	3	2	6	93.1
Tracy Porter	5	41	27	65.9%	357	8.71	2	1	3	99.3

 

[theogt]

With the corrected numbers, Tracy Porter was the worst in the class. And the most targeted.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

With the corrected numbers, Tracy Porter was the worst in the class.

really? he gave up the most TDs? was his attempt:TD ratio the worst?

the most targeted means **** since we've already established that his standing on the roster made that a given, wad

 

[theogt]

really? he gave up the most TDs? was his attempt:TD ratio the worst?

the most targeted means **** since we've already established that his standing on the roster made that a given, wad

TDs per pass attempt are only one factor in determining QB rating.

And again, he was likely the most targeted because he sucked. This is exemplified by his poor YPA. They kept throwing at him because he kept giving up the yards. He gave up a lot of yards in college and I'm sure he'll continue giving up a lot of yards in the NFL.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

TDs per pass attempt are only one factor in determining QB rating.

I'd say that's the most important factor of them all though, wouldn't you?

And again, he was likely the most targeted because he sucked. This is exemplified by his poor YPA. They kept throwing at him because he kept giving up the yards.

maybe after the 1st 2/3 games

 

[theogt]

I'd say that's the most important factor of them all though, wouldn't you?

Actually, I'd say you should come up with a formula that equally weights TDs per pass attempt, INTs per pass attempt and Yards per pass attempt. Then you could call it "QB Rating" and we could use it to just which is the "best."

Here's to hoping this didn't fly over your head.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually, I'd say you should come up with a formula that equally weights TDs per pass attempt, INTs per pass attempt and Yards per pass attempt. Then you could call it "QB Rating."

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keep the opponent out of the endzone