2008 Rookie Corner Class (how they performed statistically)

[theogt]

#1 rule of defense

keep the opponent out of the endzone

Probably.

TDs given up per game:
Chevis Jackson	0.00
O. Scandrick	0.07
Brandon Flowers	0.11
Terrell Thomas	0.18
Aqib Talib	0.20
Mike Jenkins	0.23
Antoine Cason	0.27
DRC		0.31
Leodis McKelvin	0.33
[B]Tracy Porter	0.40[/B]

 

[zeroburrito]

really? he gave up the most TDs? was his attempt:TD ratio the worst?

the most targeted means **** since we've already established that his standing on the roster made that a given, wad

it's not only about td's. i would say yards are more important.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

TDs : attempts

Leodis McKelvin -- 0.13
DRC -- 0.07
Tracy Porter -- 0.1
Aquib Talib -- 0.1
Mike Jenkins -- 0.1
Antoine Cason -- 0.1
Brandon Flowers -- 0.02
Terrell Thomas -- 0.1
Chevis Jackson -- 0
Scandrick -- 0.02

 

[Bob Sacamano]

it's not only about td's. i would say yards are more important.

nah...

 

[zeroburrito]

most td's happen close to the endzone. it happens to the best of them. constantly getting beat making it easier for the other team to get that close is worse than not giving up many yards and getting beat on a single short throw for a score. you have to look at the big picture, not just the last play of a drive.

 

[casmith07]

Aqib Talib surprised all of us.

After that singular video of him being beat by Jordy Nelson, we all wrote him off as not a good CB, but he did do a great job.

Talib didn't surprise me. Still a tad bit upset we had no shot at Rodgers-Cromartie but that's the way the chips fall. I'd rather have a late round pick and a winning record than suffer through brutal seasons.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

it's not only about td's. i would say yards are more important.

If yards were more important than TD's, then Washington's offense last season was damn near unstoppable. Tons of yards per game on offense, but their scoring was abysmal.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

most td's happen close to the endzone. it happens to the best of them. constantly getting beat making it easier for the other team to get that close is worse than not giving up many yards and getting beat on a single short throw for a score.

but wouldn't it figure that if a CB was giving up alot of yards, he would be giving up alot of big plays too?

I think it's pretty good that even though he was giving up big plays, he was still doing a good job of preventing the ultimate big play, on par with most rookie corners in his class

 

[theogt]

attempts : TD

Leodis McKelvin -- 0.13
DRC -- 0.07
Tracy Porter -- 0.1
Aquib Talib -- 0.1
Mike Jenkins -- 0.1
Antoine Cason -- 0.1
Brandon Flowers -- 0.02
Terrell Thomas -- 0.1
Chevis Jackson -- 0
Scandrick -- 0.02

Not sure how this matters, given that if you extrapolated his numbers, he'd still be giving up the most TDs per game, largely because he is targeted some much.

In other words if the players continued producing the same, in the next five games, he'd give up 2 touchdowns, whereas the other wouldn't.

 

[masomenos]

Using the info provided by Theo, I created a formula that took into account completions per game allowed, YPC against, TD against rate, Completion % against, and Plays on Ball Rate. From that, these are the rankings I got for the players.

Chevis Jackson - 13.25
Orlando Scandrick - 12.54
Aqib Talib - 12.16
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - 11.02
Brandon Flowers - 10.74
Antoine Cason - 10.23
Mike Jenkins - 9.99
Terrell Thomas - 8.73
Leodis McKelvin - 8.42
Tracy Porter - 4.52

The group average was 10.16.

Really, Tracy Porter is the only one who was far below average.

 

[zeroburrito]

If yards were more important than TD's, then Washington's offense last season was damn near unstoppable. Tons of yards per game on offense, but their scoring was abysmal.

you know how td's are scored? all of the yards taking them near the goal line. they don't just happen(long bombs and runs happen, but not often).

washington has a really bad qb that can't throw the ball.

 

[zeroburrito]

but wouldn't it figure that if a CB was giving up alot of yards, he would be giving up alot of big plays too?

I think it's pretty good that even though he was giving up big plays, he was still doing a good job of preventing the ultimate big play, on par with most rookie corners in his class

that doesn't matter when in the next play they score anyways because they are so close to the end zone BECAUSE of him. in other words, it doesn't matter that he didn't give up that "ultimate big play" when the other team still has more chances for 6 because of his "normal" big plays.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Not sure how this matters, given that if you extrapolated his numbers, he'd still be giving up the most TDs per game, largely because he is targeted some much.

In other words if the players continued producing the same, in the next five games, he'd give up 2 touchdowns, whereas the other wouldn't.

but the offensive success rate against him would still rate the same as most of the corners in his class

 

[theogt]

but the offensive success against him would still rate the same as most of the corners in his class

Based on one single measure you happen to feel is the most important?

YPA, TDs per game, QB rating, times targeted per game. Based on all of these measures, he's the worst in his class.

The worst.

When you're wrong, you're wrong. Just let it go.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Using the info provided by Theo, I created a formula that took into account completions per game allowed, YPC against, TD against rate, Completion % against, and Plays on Ball Rate. From that, these are the rankings I got for the players.

Chevis Jackson - 13.25
Orlando Scandrick - 12.54
Aqib Talib - 12.16
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - 11.02
Brandon Flowers - 10.74
Antoine Cason - 10.23
Mike Jenkins - 9.99
Terrell Thomas - 8.73
Leodis McKelvin - 8.42
Tracy Porter - 4.52

The group average was 10.16.

Really, Tracy Porter is the only one who was far below average.

I'd assume those 3 were the killers

yes, he was targeted 8.2 times a games, we know that

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Using the info provided by Theo, I created a formula that took into account completions per game allowed, YPC against, TD against rate, Completion % against, and Plays on Ball Rate. From that, these are the rankings I got for the players.

Chevis Jackson - 13.25
Orlando Scandrick - 12.54
Aqib Talib - 12.16
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - 11.02
Brandon Flowers - 10.74
Antoine Cason - 10.23
Mike Jenkins - 9.99
Terrell Thomas - 8.73
Leodis McKelvin - 8.42
Tracy Porter - 4.52

The group average was 10.16.

Really, Tracy Porter is the only one who was far below average.

I'd assume those 3 were the killers

yes, he was targeted 8.2 times a games, we know that

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Based on one single measure you happen to feel is the most important?

happen to? it is, I'm not making up it's importance

YPA, TDs per game, QB rating, times targeted per game. Based on all of these measures, he's the worst in his class.

The worst.

When you're wrong, you're wrong. Just let it go.

pot meet kettle

 

[masomenos]

I'd assume those 3 were the killers

yes, he was targeted 8.2 times a games, we know that

Well the fact that he had the 3rd most yards allowed while playing in the least games is a pretty important thing.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well the fact that he had the 3rd most yards allowed while playing in the least games is a pretty important thing.

well yeah

but we're not talking about a couple of passes here and there

41 targets in 5 games is ridiculous, corners who are targeted alot see like 100-110 in a season

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Bob is usually correct. I'm siding with him.

Now, what's the argument?