2010 Pro Football Hall of Fame Class

[Hostile]

This is the list of final 15 candidates.

Tim Brown
Cris Carter
Don Coryell
Roger Craig
Dermonti Dawson
Richard Dent
Russ Grimm
Charles Haley
Rickey Jackson
Cortez Kennedy
John Randle
Andre Reed
Jerry Rice
Shannon Sharpe
Emmitt Smith

Dick LeBeau...Seniors Committee Candidate
Floyd Little...Seniors Committee Candidate

The max number from the top list who can go in is 5. Both Seniors candidates can go in.

I am shocked that Floyd Little is one of the Seniors candidates. I would take Don Perkins over him any day of the week. Maybe if Little gets in it opens a door for Perkins.

LeBeau is known more for his coaching than his playing career, but part of that is because he played opposite Dick "Night Train" Lane. If he makes it, look no further than his 62 career interceptions. He was only a 3 time Pro Bowl player although he probably deserved a 4th for 9 INTs in 1970. If he gets in it might open a door for Everson Walls.

Emmitt Smith and Jerry Rice are no brainers. I think it is a bad year to be a WR and get in. Brown, Carter, and Reed all deserve to be in one day, but not in the same class as Jerry Rice.

I'll say Shannon Sharpe, Dermonti Dawson, and Charles Haley have decent shots this year as well as Don Coryell (though I am not sure he is a HOF Coach).

I think they should have it be Emmitt and Jerry by themselves and have the HOF game be Dallas vs. San Francisco. But that will never happen.

Jerry Rice should be the last speaker. No disrespect to Emmitt, but Jerry was other worldly.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

would love to see emmitt, haley, rice, and craig get in, and then have the Cowboys play the Niners in the HOF Game.

could you imagine that atmosphere? :starspin

 

[Yeagermeister]

This is the list of final 15 candidates.

Tim Brown
Cris Carter
Don Coryell
Roger Craig
Dermonti Dawson
Richard Dent
Russ Grimm
Charles Haley
Rickey Jackson
Cortez Kennedy
John Randle
Andre Reed
Jerry Rice
Shannon Sharpe
Emmitt Smith

Dick LeBeau...Seniors Committee Candidate
Floyd Little...Seniors Committee Candidate

The max number from the top list who can go in is 5. Both Seniors candidates can go in.

I am shocked that Floyd Little is one of the Seniors candidates. I would take Don Perkins over him any day of the week. Maybe if Little gets in it opens a door for Perkins.

LeBeau is known more for his coaching than his playing career, but part of that is because he played opposite Dick "Night Train" Lane. If he makes it, look no further than his 62 career interceptions. He was only a 3 time Pro Bowl player although he probably deserved a 4th for 9 INTs in 1970. If he gets in it might open a door for Everson Walls.

Emmitt Smith and Jerry Rice are no brainers. I think it is a bad year to be a WR and get in. Brown, Carter, and Reed all deserve to be in one day, but not in the same class as Jerry Rice.

I'll say Shannon Sharpe, Dermonti Dawson, and Charles Haley have decent shots this year as well as Don Coryell (though I am not sure he is a HOF Coach).

I think they should have it be Emmitt and Jerry by themselves and have the HOF game be Dallas vs. San Francisco. But that will never happen.

Jerry Rice should be the last speaker. No disrespect to Emmitt, but Jerry was other worldly.

Other than Emmitt and Jerry the only other no brainer to me is Haley. He should already be in the HOF. Of the others maybe Chris Carter and Shannon Sharpe.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I've said for months only emmitt and jerry should get in. 2nd best wr and best hb of all time

 

[Hostile]

I've said for months only emmitt and jerry should get in. 2nd best wr and best hb of all time

Say what? Who do you think is the best?

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Say what? Who do you think is the best?

Irvin.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Irvin.

you can't be serious. please take off the blue and silver glasses, dude.

 

[SDogo]

Irvin.

ok, I appreciate your loyalty to the Cowboys but get real.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

ok, I appreciate your loyalty to the Cowboys but get real.

In an all time draft I'd take Irvin over Rice 2x on tuesday-friday, 5x on sunday and 100x on a primetime Monday game.

 

[SDogo]

In an all time draft I'd take Irvin over Rice 2x on tuesday-friday, 5x on sunday and 100x on a primetime Monday game.

No one is buying it

 

[Cowboy Brian]

No one is buying it

I'll explain why.

During the 49ers peak, they threw 536 passes per season, during the Cowboys they threw 482. The difference in stats is not that much that if the Cowboys were throwing the same passes, Irvin would've surpassed Rice.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I'll explain why.

During the 49ers peak, they threw 536 passes per season, during the Cowboys they threw 482. The difference in stats is not that much that if the Cowboys were throwing the same passes, Irvin would've surpassed Rice.

and their averages through 1991-1995

YDS Team Pass Attempts
Michael Irvin 1991-1995 1419 482
Jerry Rice 1991-1995 1451 536


So is the argument still futile? because I believe in those 54 passes Irvin would've caught 32 yards

 

[Cowboy Brian]

and their averages through 1991-1995

YDS Team Pass Attempts
Michael Irvin 1991-1995 1419 482
Jerry Rice 1991-1995 1451 536


So is the argument still futile? because I believe in those 54 passes Irvin would've caught 32 yards

infact you could make the case Michael had the best 5 year stretch of all time.

Michael Irvin 1991-1995 1419 482 2.95

Jerry Rice 1991-1995 1451 536 2.71

Marvin Harrison 1999-2003 1519 567 2.68

Randy Moss 1999-2003 1412 532 2.66

Jimmy Smith 1997-2001 1346 516 2.61

James Lofton 1980-1984 1175 465 2.53

Torry Holt 2000-2004 1474 591 2.49

Herman Moore 1992-1996 1211 489 2.48

Tim Brown 1993-1997 1269 518 2.45

Chad Johnson 2002-2006 1319 542 2.44

Harold Jackson 1972-1976 795 327 2.43

Rod Smith 1997-2001 1273 528 2.41

Cliff Branch 1974-1978 869 361 2.41

Hines Ward 2001-2005 1095 455 2.41

Terrell Owens 2000-2004 1293 543 2.38

Joe Horn 2000-2004 1258 535 2.35

Henry Ellard 1987-1991 1188 509 2.34

Steve Largent 1983-1987 1101 476 2.31

Sterling Sharpe 1989-1993 1245 542 2.30

Stanley Morgan 1978-1982 885 389 2.27

Ken Burrough 1975-1979 837 375 2.23

Andre Reed 1988-1992 1050 476 2.20

Eric Moulds 1998-2002 1176 538 2.19

Cris Collinsworth 1982-1986 994 455 2.18

Drew Pearson 1974-1978 860 394 2.18

Drew Hill 1985-1989 1070 494 2.17

Cris Carter 1996-2000 1152 532 2.17

Laveranues Coles 2002-2006 1072 497 2.16

Art Monk 1982-1986 972 451 2.15

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

and their averages through 1991-1995

YDS Team Pass Attempts
Michael Irvin 1991-1995 1419 482
Jerry Rice 1991-1995 1451 536


So is the argument still futile? because I believe in those 54 passes Irvin would've caught 32 yards

dude, you are dreaming. you might not like him as much, nor do I, but Rice is CLEARLY.....CLEARLY better.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

dude, you are dreaming. you might not like him as much, nor do I, but Rice is CLEARLY.....CLEARLY better.

No, he is clearly worse. Irvin was 500 and 6 times better.

 

[SDogo]

and their averages through 1991-1995

YDS Team Pass Attempts
Michael Irvin 1991-1995 1419 482
Jerry Rice 1991-1995 1451 536


So is the argument still futile? because I believe in those 54 passes Irvin would've caught 32 yards

Who the hell bases a 20 year career over the span over 4 years? Not to mention the players final 5 years?

Your reaching to support an argument you dont really believe. I'm sorry, I dont buy for a minute you believe what your saying but are simply trying to do it for your Cowboys pride.

 

[CowboyWay]

I'm not saying Rice isn't a HOF player, because he was great. But I think he gets a little too much praise. He had some serious advantages most WR's could only dream of.....

2 of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. I hate the niners too, but Montana and Young were just otherworldly.

6 games a year against teams that were barely NFL quality. Think of the quality of teams like the Rams, Falcons, and the Saints in the 80's and 90's. They were absolutely putrid.

No cold weather games.
8 per year in 60 degree San Francisco
1 in Atlanta (dome)
1 in Los Angeles
1 in New Orleans (dome)

Great weather + Great quarterbacks + inferior competition = Great numbers

Again, don't get me wrong, I think he would be a great player on just about any team, but I don't think he would be called "GOAT" if he didn't land on the perfect team, at the perfect time, with the niners.

Just my two cents though.

 

[Cowboy Brian]

Who the hell bases a 20 year career over the span over 4 years? Not to mention the players final 5 years?

Your reaching to support an argument you dont really believe. I'm sorry, I dont buy for a minute you believe what your saying but are simply trying to do it for your Cowboys pride.

Put me on a lie detector, I believe everything im saying. and what do you mean final years? Rice played til 02 and Irvin til 99. It was both of their primes.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

I'm not saying Rice isn't a HOF player, because he was great. But I think he gets a little too much praise. He had some serious advantages most WR's could only dream of.....

2 of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. I hate the niners too, but Montana and Young were just otherworldly.

does it not occur to you that part of their greatness comes from the fact that he had the best receiver of all time to throw to?

 

[Cowboy Brian]

I'm not saying Rice isn't a HOF player, because he was great. But I think he gets a little too much praise. He had some serious advantages most WR's could only dream of.....

2 of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. I hate the niners too, but Montana and Young were just otherworldly.

6 games a year against teams that were barely NFL quality. Think of the quality of teams like the Rams, Falcons, and the Saints in the 80's and 90's. They were absolutely putrid.

No cold weather games.
8 per year in 60 degree San Francisco
1 in Atlanta (dome)
1 in Los Angeles
1 in New Orleans (dome)

Great weather + Great quarterbacks + inferior competition = Great numbers

Again, don't get me wrong, I think he would be a great player on just about any team, but I don't think he would be called "GOAT" if he didn't land on the perfect team, at the perfect time, with the niners.

Just my two cents though.

AGREED.

Irvin was up against the toughest division in Football, in much worse weather, although he had a hall of fame QB for all but his first year aswell.