2011 Packers (15-1) had the worst defense

[xwalker]

Offense 122.6 - defense 80.6 = +42.0

How about for the 2013 Cowboys?

 

[CCBoy]

I'm not too worried about the DL assuming that Melton's knee is OK. I'm convinced based on game footage that T. McClain is an upgrade at the 1-tech. I fell good about the combination of Lawrence and Mincey compared to an injured Ware with Everette Brown as his top backup. Selvie is likely returning to LDE ad should be OK. They have many backup options including Crawford and Okoye.

I'm more concerned about the 2nd Safety position and LB. I expect Wilcox to eventually be good but I don't know if that will be in game 1 of 2014.

If the defensive line has resolution, then by description, the linebackers will be better with who they settle in upon. Second more to be clean and react will improve function quite a bit, as will scheme experience now.

As to safety, I think the top of the umbrella becomes much more functional through more base level NFL experience presenting itself, and better adjustments within the new scheme.

 

[gimmesix]

I'm not too worried about the DL assuming that Melton's knee is OK. I'm convinced based on game footage that T. McClain is an upgrade at the 1-tech. I fell good about the combination of Lawrence and Mincey compared to an injured Ware with Everette Brown as his top backup. Selvie is likely returning to LDE ad should be OK. They have many backup options including Crawford and Okoye.

I'm more concerned about the 2nd Safety position and LB. I expect Wilcox to eventually be good but I don't know if that will be in game 1 of 2014.

Then we have opposite concerns. The defensive line was a major weakness last year and it's unclear whether we've really upgraded in trading Hatcher for Melton coming off major injury, Ware for a rookie and journeyman, adding another journeyman in McClain, etc.

To me, Selvie was a good find, but even he was not consistent in his ability to put pressure on the passer, which this version of the 4-3 must absolutely have. The linebacker and safety issues will be minimized if the line does its job and consistently gets penetration. If it does not, it really doesn't matter who's behind the line because time is the enemy of good coverage.

Dallas hopes its waves of linemen will be able to provide that consistent pressure, and from that standpoint, it should be better off than the "waves" it put out on the field last year, but just because it has waves to put out there doesn't mean they can make waves.

 

[CCBoy]

Highest pass rating ever, although his defense helped him get there much more than Peyton's did when he set the record in 2004.

Good stuff, really. Now we must adjust perceptions of team effectiveness to include high statistical correlations to basic achievements of wins. Of course, best peformances equal wins...but the ropes pulled to effect change, now have to be learned for today's game.

 

[percyhoward]

Ahh, I see that now after re-reading your original reply.

Thats interesting.

And it doesn't matter how you get the number (Seattle offense 100 - defense 60 = +40)

But those are usually the best teams.

 

[CCBoy]

Then we have opposite concerns. The defensive line was a major weakness last year and it's unclear whether we've really upgraded in trading Hatcher for Melton coming off major injury, Ware for a rookie and journeyman, adding another journeyman in McClain, etc.

To me, Selvie was a good find, but even he was not consistent in his ability to put pressure on the passer, which this version of the 4-3 must absolutely have. The linebacker and safety issues will be minimized if the line does its job and consistently gets penetration. If it does not, it really doesn't matter who's behind the line because time is the enemy of good coverage.

Dallas hopes its waves of linemen will be able to provide that consistent pressure, and from that standpoint, it should be better off than the "waves" it put out on the field last year, but just because it has waves to put out there doesn't mean they can make waves.

This is what? Statistical body rejection? Those assumption are subjective and projecting...not even upon multiple player projections of similar comparative values and with teams attempting to improve as well.

One can believe in Camelot and be a big fan, but that isn't a denigrating view at onset, although.

 

[gmoney112]

Then we have opposite concerns. The defensive line was a major weakness last year and it's unclear whether we've really upgraded in trading Hatcher for Melton coming off major injury, Ware for a rookie and journeyman, adding another journeyman in McClain, etc.

To me, Selvie was a good find, but even he was not consistent in his ability to put pressure on the passer, which this version of the 4-3 must absolutely have. The linebacker and safety issues will be minimized if the line does its job and consistently gets penetration. If it does not, it really doesn't matter who's behind the line because time is the enemy of good coverage.

Dallas hopes its waves of linemen will be able to provide that consistent pressure, and from that standpoint, it should be better off than the "waves" it put out on the field last year, but just because it has waves to put out there doesn't mean they can make waves.

And it'd be silly to presume they will. However, we don't need them to be a 20 ft. swell, we just need them to be turbulent. That itself would be improvement.

 

[Doomsday101]

If the defensive line has resolution, then by description, the linebackers will be better with who they settle in upon. Second more to be clean and react will improve function quite a bit, as will scheme experience now.

As to safety, I think the top of the umbrella becomes much more functional through more base level NFL experience presenting itself, and better adjustments within the new scheme.

One thing about safety outside of Church we had guys who had 0 experiance in the NFL. I know many want to get a safety back there with Church but I would not discount guys like Wilcox heading into this 2nd year. People were quick to give up on guys like Scandrick and now many here praise him.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

are we making a case that our defense in 2015 (with less experience/talent than 2014) can get us somewhere or are we just whistling past the paved yard?

 

[gimmesix]

And it'd be silly to presume they will. However, we don't need them to be a 20 ft. swell, we just need them to be turbulent. That itself would be improvement.

Not sure we can quantify how much turbulence would be necessary to make a difference. In a defense predicated on pressure, though, it would seem those waves need to be constant. And I just can't say I can expect constant out of this group right now.

If they are not, we will be looking at similar problems to last year's.

 

[CCBoy]

are we making a case that our defense in 2015 (with less experience/talent than 2014) can get us somewhere or are we just whistling past the paved yard?

Oh, I stay away form graveyards late at night...a ghost, named Clay, followed us from Kentucky to Texas...

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Oh, I stay away form graveyards late at night...a ghost, named Clay, followed us from Kentucky to Texas...

I am a earth lover so I am only afraid of paved yards.

But . . . who is this Clay? Who named him? Half he established residence in Texas even though he is a ghost?

 

[CyberB0b]

All I know is that there were a couple (or more) games last year where we never forced a punt. That is inexcusable.

 

[CCBoy]

I am a earth lover so I am only afraid of paved yards.

But . . . who is this Clay? Who named him? Half he established residence in Texas even though he is a ghost?

Oh, he just follows us to give us a hint of haunted and to give cause for concern. Yep, he's a Texan now!

 

[CCBoy]

All I know is that there were a couple (or more) games last year where we never forced a punt. That is inexcusable.

That is as popular as a room full of freshly cut onions that are all aromaticly strong.

Agreed.

 

[Doomsday101]

Oh, he just follows us to give us a hint of haunted and to give cause for concern. Yep, he's a Texan now!

as long as it is a documented ghost, I have no issue with him.

 

[burmafrd]

That's the difference between an elite QB and an alright QB. Romo isn't good enough to win a SB. He gets paid like Rodgers just to go 8-8. Pathetic.

as hard as you try you will never pass ufcruels as the #1 Romo hater here. So just give it up.

I mean your desperation is kind of pathetic. Brad Johnson won a SB and now you claim he is a better QB then romo.

 

[NJ22]

The 2011 Packers team that went 15-1 had the 32nd ranked defense in the league.

I found that interesting because there have been some questions about how much the Cowboys offense could carry the team this year if the defense just improved a little.

Cowboys 2013 415.3 yards/game

Packers 2011 411.6 yards/game

What saved the Packers defense was that they were tied for 1st in total takeaways with 38.

In 2013, the Cowboys were tied for 13th with 28 total takeaways.

You know that is misleading. They were blowing teams out and those yards per game were way inflated.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

as long as it is a documented ghost, I have no issue with him.

With news of refugee children being detained, that reference was particuolarly tacky. Kids should be off limits in joking references. But that's just me.

 

[Doomsday101]

With news of refugee children being detained, that reference was particuolarly tacky. Kids should be off limits in joking references. But that's just me.

I said nothing of kids.