2012 NBA Offseason Thread

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ghst187;4603781 said:
i know $-wise this makes no sense as OKC will already be up against the cap but.......if you're Dwight Howard at home watching the finals...it has to cross your mind what kind of possibilities there would be with him in the middle of the OKC offense and defense. It would easily and instantly become a dynasty the likes of which we haven't seen since Bird and Magic teams in their primes. And taking a bit less money to win a ring is now not without precedence or without a proven track record. Hard to forsee a team staying within 20 points of OKC with that rotation. If you examine other potential suitors for Howard you'll see a Dallas team that has Dirk and nothing else, one that is blowing up its core and rebuilding. LA already has Bynum. NY is maxed out. San Antonio has to resign Duncan, and it will. If he plays in the east and is mostly interested in a ring, the only team that could make sense would be chicago. And he'll have to fight through the Heat every year to make the finals. Then you see OKC is may win multiple rings without Howard, are geared to win for a long time, young, and almost won it all already while lacking an inside presence. You know Howard in the middle would be almost unfair.
As far as $ goes....Miami found room money-wise. Heck $10 million in OKC is = $25 million in LA or NY. And heck, if you're OKC and a you see a once in a lifetime chance for as largely guaranteed run of multiple championships like that, why wouldn't you say "luxury tax be darned" and pay it knowing you're getting a dynasty and collection of rings.
I doubt it'll happen and i'm sure Howard will get a huge contract to go somewhere and remain obscure, but if I were hime, I'd be begging to play in OKC. Instant dynasty.
Well besides the cap issues, I've heard Marc Stein and especially Screamin' A (when he was on Ben and Skin, I wouldn't hear him otherwise) say that being in a big market is huge for Howard. He's not looking at just the basketball part of it; he wants to be a Brand like Lebron. Screamin' is incredibly irritating, but he does seem to know Howard pretty well.

I was just happy to hear Harden say he loves the OKC team and very much wants to stay there.
 

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Chocolate Lab;4603864 said:
Well besides the cap issues, I've heard Marc Stein and especially Screamin' A (when he was on Ben and Skin, I wouldn't hear him otherwise) say that being in a big market is huge for Howard. He's not looking at just the basketball part of it; he wants to be a Brand like Lebron. Screamin' is incredibly irritating, but he does seem to know Howard pretty well.

I was just happy to hear Harden say he loves the OKC team and very much wants to stay there.
Someone is gonna go after next year on OKC. Probably Ibaka or Harden.They cant afford all them.
 

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ghst187;4603781 said:
i know $-wise this makes no sense as OKC will already be up against the cap but.......if you're Dwight Howard at home watching the finals...it has to cross your mind what kind of possibilities there would be with him in the middle of the OKC offense and defense. It would easily and instantly become a dynasty the likes of which we haven't seen since Bird and Magic teams in their primes. And taking a bit less money to win a ring is now not without precedence or without a proven track record. Hard to forsee a team staying within 20 points of OKC with that rotation. If you examine other potential suitors for Howard you'll see a Dallas team that has Dirk and nothing else, one that is blowing up its core and rebuilding. LA already has Bynum. NY is maxed out. San Antonio has to resign Duncan, and it will. If he plays in the east and is mostly interested in a ring, the only team that could make sense would be chicago. And he'll have to fight through the Heat every year to make the finals. Then you see OKC is may win multiple rings without Howard, are geared to win for a long time, young, and almost won it all already while lacking an inside presence. You know Howard in the middle would be almost unfair.
As far as $ goes....Miami found room money-wise. Heck $10 million in OKC is = $25 million in LA or NY. And heck, if you're OKC and a you see a once in a lifetime chance for as largely guaranteed run of multiple championships like that, why wouldn't you say "luxury tax be darned" and pay it knowing you're getting a dynasty and collection of rings.
I doubt it'll happen and i'm sure Howard will get a huge contract to go somewhere and remain obscure, but if I were hime, I'd be begging to play in OKC. Instant dynasty.

Problem is, he'd have to live in Oklahoma City... :D
 

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juck;4603919 said:
Someone is gonna go after next year on OKC. Probably Ibaka or Harden.They cant afford all them.

Yeah, most likely true.

I was reading some rumors the other day about Charlotte possibly being interested in trading the #2 overall for Harden (or some other player I can't remember). It would be gutsy, but I wonder if that might not be a good move for OKC. I heard Fran Fraschilla on the other day saying he loved Thomas Robinson. Of course he'd play the same position as Ibaka, but he would be cheap and then you could keep Serge.
 

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DFWJC;4603355 said:
There are also rumblings that the Rockets are going all out to get both the 5th and 8th picks so they can trade for Dwight Howard.

Very risky move becasue it would be a one year rental if he does not extend.
The Rockets are determined to gut the team for a big man. It doesn't surprise me they want Howard.

Edit: Chron's reporting they've sent Chase Budinger to the Wolves for the 18th pick. So that's three 1st rd picks.

The Rockets will acquire the 18th pick to send Budinger to the Timberwolves, reuniting him with former coach Rick Adelman. With the 14th, 16th and 18th picks, they are hoping to put together a package that can entice the Orlando Magic to deal Dwight Howard. They had been in talks with Orlando until shortly before the March 15 trade deadline, but would likely need a pick better than their own pick at No. 14.
http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2012/06/rockets-trade-budinger-to-timberwolves-for-18th-pick/
 

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But Howard has said not to trade for him because he's not re-signing there (except for Brooklyn)... Why would they do that?

Never mind, as I was posting Ben and Skin are talking about this, saying they'd have enough cap space to go after Deron Williams, too.

Probably won't happen, but what a blockbuster that would be.
 

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juck;4603919 said:
Someone is gonna go after next year on OKC. Probably Ibaka or Harden.They cant afford all them.

I think Harden will leave and try and become his own man.
 

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Chocolate Lab;4604092 said:
But Howard has said not to trade for him because he's not re-signing there (except for Brooklyn)... Why would they do that?

Never mind, as I was posting Ben and Skin are talking about this, saying they'd have enough cap space to go after Deron Williams, too.

Probably won't happen, but what a blockbuster that would be.
Speaking to that from another blog entry, it seems they want him regardless of whether he would stay in Houston. The Rox just kill me sometimes. And of course, the lap dog spin the Chron spits out to make the quest appealing. :eek::

Things are, however, particularly intense this week. There has been interest in Kyle Lowry since he expressed his dissatisfaction with playing for Kevin McHale. The Rockets have shopped Kevin Martin. But everything is about finding that next star to be the foundation for their future, either with the deal to bring him to town or to better equip the Rockets for that kind of trade.

In some ways, it would be interesting if the Rockets dealt Lowry, Martin and perhaps an extra big man to Orlando for Howard and a pricey veteran or two. History does tend to repeat itself, and this would not be the first time they sent a starting backcourt and an extra big man to Orlando for a Magic star who also was a straight-from-high school player available because he was unwilling to commit beyond the next season while coming off a back injury. Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley and Kevin Cato for Tracy McGrady happened. This could, too.

The Rockets do have what it would take to make this kind of deal. First, they are willing though they would be gambling that Howard would walk in a year. They were willing to gamble when Howard was signed only for a few weeks. They would jump at the chance to have him for a full season.

Second, they have a variety of contracts to offer, from Lowry’s modest contract to Martin’s expiring deal. They could offer productive players in rookie-scale contracts and multiple picks. They agreed to trade Martin, Goran Dragic, Luis Scola and a first-round pick to get Pau Gasol. You can imagine what they would have to send to Orlando to get Howard. And third, they have cap room if they need to take back an extra contract to make a deal work.

But if we assume the Magic would be willing, that the Rockets could land Howard, do you take the chance you can keep him? If you can get a pair of top 10 picks, do you just use the picks and try to find your star that way? In other words, do you feel lucky? Well, do you?

Eh, why not?

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocke...gh-keeping-him-tougher-a-gamble-worth-taking/
 

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houston is definitely more of a basketball city than dallas, if howard goes there, i dont see how Dwill doesnt at least consider the rockets. at this point, the rockets are putting together some assets that will be hard for the magic to resist in a possible trade.
 

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WoodysGirl;4604143 said:
Speaking to that from another blog entry, it seems they want him regardless of whether he would stay in Houston. The Rox just kill me sometimes. And of course, the lap dog spin the Chron spits out to make the quest appealing. :eek::



http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocke...gh-keeping-him-tougher-a-gamble-worth-taking/

well, with the way the west is shaping up, i think if the rockets truly want to contend for in the west they have to get a player like howard and Dwill, they HAVE to roll the dice if they want to be a contender, its this or stay in mediocrity for the foreseeable future, they are too good to get high lottery picks, but not good enough to get past the first round of the playoffs, if even that far.

if i was a rockets fan, id want this trade and hope it works out in the end, if it doesnt, we go to the tank for a few years and hope to hit it big in the draft, like OKC did.
 

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MC KAos;4604155 said:
well, with the way the west is shaping up, i think if the rockets truly want to contend for in the west they have to get a player like howard and Dwill, they HAVE to roll the dice if they want to be a contender, its this or stay in mediocrity for the foreseeable future, they are too good to get high lottery picks, but not good enough to get past the first round of the playoffs, if even that far.

if i was a rockets fan, id want this trade and hope it works out in the end, if it doesnt, we go to the tank for a few years and hope to hit it big in the draft, like OKC did.
You would think, but you haven't seen how this org operates. If the gamble doesn't work, I KNOW they won't go in the tank for better picks like OKC.

If it's not the number #1 overall, they'll simply trade the pick to go for another vet. It's the Rockets way.

It'll re-energize the fanbase in the short term, but long-term, I'm meh about it.
 

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Rockets should just draft good players. D12 said he wont resign in Houston.
 

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WoodysGirl;4604143 said:
Speaking to that from another blog entry, it seems they want him regardless of whether he would stay in Houston. The Rox just kill me sometimes. And of course, the lap dog spin the Chron spits out to make the quest appealing. :eek::



http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterocke...gh-keeping-him-tougher-a-gamble-worth-taking/

Think of it this way, if you don't resign Howard maybe the Rockets will finally have a chance to rebuild from the ground up. Houston has just been a middle of the pack team for a while now. Good enough to not get any real good draft picks, but also bad enough to not even make the playoffs. They are kind of stuck in the worst place possible.
 

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RastaRocket;4604255 said:
Think of it this way, if you don't resign Howard maybe the Rockets will finally have a chance to rebuild from the ground up. Houston has just been a middle of the pack team for a while now. Good enough to not get any real good draft picks, but also bad enough to not even make the playoffs. They are kind of stuck in the worst place possible.
I totally get the sentiment and it actually sounds logical. But the Rox just doesn't believe in doing that. They will not allow the team to go in the tank for a top draft pick. They believe in regrouping to field a competitive team, which keeps the team mired in mediocrity.

It showed me alot that they were willing to gut the team for Pau Gasol last year. smh
 

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Chocolate Lab;4604060 said:
Yeah, most likely true.

I was reading some rumors the other day about Charlotte possibly being interested in trading the #2 overall for Harden (or some other player I can't remember).

Word is they're eager to jump ahead of the Wizards at 3, to draft the player the Wiz covet, Bradley Beal out of Florida...

Beal fits what the Wizards most need right now, a spot-up jump shooter with a sweet stroke to pair with John Wall... after trading for Okafor and Ariza, I don't see them being interested in Thomas Robinson...
 

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also, looks like the rockets just traded dalembert to the bucks, man the rockets are ACTIVE!!
 

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ok, seems its dalembert and the 14th pick for the 12th pick! that should clear a LOT of cap space to potentially land DWill if they can get howard in a trade

edit: shaun livingston part of the package going to the rockets in this trade, also
 
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