***2013 NFL DRAFT ROUND 4, 5, 6 and 7 Discussion Thread***

[Rogerthat12]

LB was the best value, hence the pick.

The line reference was about the draft in general. Clearly it isn't a priority with this front office.

Thank you for clarification, they do seem to avoid the trenches unfortunately.

 

[DFWJC]

Jonathan Franklin may end up better than Eddie Lacy
GB is making sure they have that RB position locked down

 

[BourbonBalz]

In all honesty most 4th rounders never amount to much. I think only about 1 in 5 ever develop into decent starters. At this point if you can find a significant contributor at something besides ST you have done well.

These are all develomental picks for the most part because the players usually have some significant shortcomings and that is why they go here. Maybe it is lack of size, strength, speed, quickness, experience, injury history, toughness, intelligence.... But there is something that made people wait this long before calling them on down.

So if you grade someone as the best for your systems you go ahead and take the player and worry about other things afterwards. You can usually still try and fill some depth gaps in what is leftover in FA. Here is where you draft for 2-3 years down the road and needs can change markedly due to injury, age or salary in that timeframe.

Not trying to be confrontational, but I've followed the NFL for well over 40 years. Take my word for it, the basis for most teams comes in rounds 3-5 and often later. The draft use to be 12 rounds. How many UDFAs become excellent players? Many. Discounting the 4th round is EXTREMELY short sighted and just plain wrong.

 

[DFWJC]

here are 2-3 Rbs and 2-3 Olineman that I like. A DE or too as well.
I just hope we get one in the 5th..

Still can't believe Franklin went this late

Oh well, one DE is gone

 

[coogrfan]

It is.

Switching to the 4-3 really strengthened the DL. Dallas has an elite player in Ware, a plus plus player in Hatcher, a player who has been a plus plus recently in Ratliff and a decent player in Spencer. You have two solid rotation guys in Lissemore and Crawford.

No one outside the first round would have cracked those six and no one in the 4th round has any more potential than Wilber.

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[StarHead69]

C'mon Eskimo,

Half the guys here today expect an instant starting pro-bowl caliber player (at a position of need) with every pick in the draft. I am also noticing that they refuse to believe that anyone on our roster could be just as good as anyone available in the 3rd-5th rounds and would probably cut anyone who didn't start their rookie year.

in short... don't waste your breath

 

[morasp]

In all honesty most 4th rounders never amount to much. I think only about 1 in 5 ever develop into decent starters. At this point if you can find a significant contributor at something besides ST you have done well.

These are all develomental picks for the most part because the players usually have some significant shortcomings and that is why they go here. Maybe it is lack of size, strength, speed, quickness, experience, injury history, toughness, intelligence.... But there is something that made people wait this long before calling them on down.

So if you grade someone as the best for your systems you go ahead and take the player and worry about other things afterwards. You can usually still try and fill some depth gaps in what is leftover in FA. Here is where you draft for 2-3 years down the road and needs can change markedly due to injury, age or salary in that timeframe.

That's absolutely correct. BPA

 

[The Quest for Six]

Not trying to be confrontational, but I've followed the NFL for well over 40 years. Take my word for it, the basis for most teams comes in rounds 3-5 and often later. The draft use to be 12 rounds. How many UDFAs become excellent players? Many. Discounting the 4th round is EXTREMELY short sighted and just plain wrong.

The problem with the Cowboys is that they've been taking too many fliers/projects in the third and fourth rounds when big school starting prospects are still on the board..that's been a major mistake..I'd rather draft big schoool three and four year starting collage players than small school projects which Jerry seems to fall in love with..

 

[deadlift]

RB in the 5th?

i think so

 

[Rack]

Norm Hitzges just said that Jerry Jones has drafted more players from William & Mary than he has Alabama.

Wow.

Phillip Thomas ranked 8.1 by Kiper.
Webb ranked 8.5....if you only care about media guys rankings.

The other Thomas safety went to Pitt....I don't care how much we liked him in college. The NFL is still waiting on the first 5'8" safety to make a mark in the league, and we already had a safety.

Bob Sanders says "Hello".

 

[Smith22]

My God, some of you guys gripe more than a lesbian stranded on an island full of guys.

amen. grown arse men whining like little girls. we drafted an olineman and we can sign winston or clabo afterwards. webb was excellent value and can return kicks. williams can take Austin's spot. ReLAX

 

[fishspill]

THERE'S MY BOY! Thought for a while there he must have killed a guy and I didn't know it.

 

[BourbonBalz]

The problem with the Cowboys is that they've been taking too many fliers/projects in the third and fourth rounds when big school starting prospects are still on the board..that's been a major mistake..I'd rather draft big schoool three and four year starting collage players than small school projects which Jerry seems to fall in love with..

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that 4th round picks are not just career backups. Not by a long shot.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Monte told the radio guys he wants some LB's.

 

[Rack]

amen. grown arse men whining like little girls. we drafted an olineman and we can sign winston or clabo afterwards. webb was excellent value and can return kicks. williams can take Austin's spot. ReLAX

Have you been paying ANY attention the last 17 years?

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Hatcher is not "plus plus" and Ratliff hasn't been for two years. Considering his age and the beating he has taken its far more likely he will never be again than he will, no matter what defensive scheme we use.

Lissemore and Crawford are JAGs.

While its certainly not as big a weakness as OL by any stretch, DL is not a "strength" for this team.

If you look at the numbers, Hatcher is a top 5-7 interior pass rusher in the league. He's not with the elites but he's really, really good. You're seriously undervalueing him.

No one knows what Ratliff will be like when healthy and in a 4-3 run and read style rather than read and react.

Calling young guys who showed some real flashes last year JAGS is a disservice, especially on Crawford.

 

[Kristen82]

Phillip Thomas ranked 8.1 by Kiper.
Webb ranked 8.5....if you only care about media guys rankings.

The other Thomas safety went to Pitt....I don't care how much we liked him in college. The NFL is still waiting on the first 5'8" safety to make a mark in the league, and we already had a safety.

BAL didn't seem worried that Elam is only 5'8".

 

[Szczepanik]

amen. grown arse men whining like little girls. we drafted an olineman and we can sign winston or clabo afterwards. webb was excellent value and can return kicks. williams can take Austin's spot. ReLAX

lol. Humans adapt and that lesbian probably would adapt to her surroundings.

But the point is made

 

[Vintage]

Yeah, I know what they think. I was going with reality where they suck. Last year it was Tyron Smith and 4 stiffs. This year it'll be Tyron, Travis and 3 stiffs.

Frederick isn't athletic.

So... still 4 stiffs.

 

[BourbonBalz]

It's more than obvious the brain trust of team (please, no little quips here) is happy with our current DL. I have no idea if they're right and neither does anyone else on this board. We're transitioning to a new defense. I would think Kiffin and the rest know what they need better than any of us.