2016 Mel Kiper Invitational chat thread

[Plankton]

I don't agree with that. Jack, IMO, could play in any scheme.

He doesn't fit a 3-4 at all. He's not strong enough to play inside. His coverage skills would be wasted. He's a 4-3 WLB.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah it would. He's the perfect cover, chase LB. Pick is in so it doesn't matter but they need a solid LB pretty bad.

So let me get this straight. A cover LB is going to help them stop the run?

And if their run defense is that awful, that means getting a chase linebacker to tackle the runner three to five yards downfield is going to do what exactly?

Jack is not going to hold the point, nor is he going to take on lineman and shoot gaps. That is not what he does.

Did you actually look at the production from there LBs?

What would their production tell me? Tackles can occur anywhere on the football field. And if they have a lot, that tells me the DL is not doing their job holding the line of scrimmage. They have one quality DL in Liuget and even he is miscast.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

He doesn't fit a 3-4 at all. He's not strong enough to play inside. His coverage skills would be wasted. He's a 4-3 WLB.

In a 34, you need a thumper and you need a run and chase cover guy. I don't agree with you.

 

[Floatyworm]

Dolphins look like a no show too.

We should start likes blackballing these guys. It's that serious to me.

I'd give you a like....but you stuck me in the garage....But in all fairness....I'm guessing these are west coast guys. It's 5AM their time.

 

[sureletsrace]

I'd give you a like....but you stuck me in the garage....But in all fairness....I'm guessing these are west coast guys. It's 5AM their time.

They shouldn't sign up if they can't get up that early. Or, they should just send in a board for Risen to pick off of for them.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I'd give you a like....but you stuck me in the garage....But in all fairness....I'm guessing these are west coast guys. It's 5AM their time.

I'm a West Coast guy, who hates waking up early.

Signing for up this mock means waking up early. Pretty simple.

 

[Floatyworm]

They shouldn't sign up if they can't get up that early. Or, they should just send in a board for Risen to pick off of for them.

true.....

 

[Alexander]

They shouldn't sign up if they can't get up that early. Or, they should just send in a board for Risen to pick off of for them.

Exactly. Putting together a list is not that hard, especially when you have a top five choice.

 

[Alexander]

I'm a West Coast guy, who hates waking up early.

Signing for up this mock means waking up early. Pretty simple.

You could send in a list of six players the night before and snooze.

 

[Risen Star]

I'd give you a like....but you stuck me in the garage....But in all fairness....I'm guessing these are west coast guys. It's 5AM their time.

Everyone was sent reminders to send in a list if they wouldn't be around when we start.

 

[sureletsrace]

Exactly. Putting together a list is not that hard, especially when you have a top five choice.

They literally could just send a PM to Risen saying "Just pick BPA according to ___ draft board at my picks if I'm not there".

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

So let me get this straight. A cover LB is going to help them stop the run?

And if their run defense is that awful, that means getting a chase linebacker to tackle the runner three to five yards downfield is going to do what exactly?

Jack is not going to hold the point, nor is he going to take on lineman and shoot gaps. That is not what he does.



What would their production tell me? Tackles can occur anywhere on the football field. And if they have a lot, that tells me the DL is not doing their job holding the line of scrimmage. They have one quality DL in Liuget and even he is miscast.

Jack doesn't have to hold the point. He's not the stack ILB. He's the other guy. the ILB who has to be able to run and chase and drop into coverage. If you want to take a NT or a 34 DE with the third pick, OK but I wouldn't. Safety is not a bad pick for them but they need more production out of their LBs. If they had a lot of tackles but just giving up yardage, then I would agree but they aren't. They aren't make enough tackles out of the LB position. They need more production.

As far as a guy who can run sideline to sideline, you don't think that guy is valuable? Yeah, your probably right. Stupid to run down a back after a 3 yard gain. Much better to let him break it for 20.

 

[unionjack8]

Dont let them do it next year. Let guys who show take 2 teams if need be.

 

[Plankton]

Everyone was sent reminders to send in a list if they wouldn't be around when we start.

It's true - this isn't a difficult concept. It's not like the guys in the top 10 didn't know for a month that the day was coming and to be ready.

 

[KingintheNorth]

You could send in a list of six players the night before and snooze.

I know, and I did just in case, but the fun of these things is being here for the pick, considering trades, etc.

You've ran these things before like I have, nothing sucks more than no-show GM's.

 

[unionjack8]

I think Jack could play WILB in a 3-4. Depending on the type of 3-4 run

 

[Alexander]

Jack doesn't have to hold the point. He's not the stack ILB. He's the other guy. the ILB who has to be able to run and chase and drop into coverage. If you want to take a NT or a 34 DE with the third pick, OK but I wouldn't. Safety is not a bad pick for them but they need more production out of their LBs. If they had a lot of tackles but just giving up yardage, then I would agree but they aren't. They aren't make enough tackles out of the LB position. They need more production.

Wait, so it is production you want from Jack? Well, he is one of the least productive linebackers in this draft. You want a productive linebacker for them? Take Jaylon Smith.

 

[Risen Star]

Please send me a pick for the Dolphins.

 

[Alexander]

Dont let them do it next year. Let guys who show take 2 teams if need be.

Two teams for one person is a bad idea IMO.

 

[sureletsrace]

Two teams for one person is a bad idea IMO.

I personally wouldn't care, as long as they couldn't trade with their other team.

Nobody wants to see someone play with themselves.