cnuball21
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It turned out to be a good pick if we had used a third rounder on him, not a first rounder.
And how many late 1st rounders from that draft have had better careers than BJ?
It turned out to be a good pick if we had used a third rounder on him, not a first rounder.
It's not even about that, it's that a lot of us wanted Landon Collins who went a few picks later and looks like the superior choice thus far. That draft was a mine field, we ended up with a good player which is better than more than half of the other teams can say but it still feels like we missed for stupid reasons. I really hope they went back to adjust the formula after jones/Collins because it had to be close grade wise, Collins with better tape jones better measurables it's clear that formula has to be tweaked to make Collins grade out higher and hope that tweak improves overall player evaluations and drafting.And how many late 1st rounders from that draft have had better careers than BJ?
Its a weird situation between those two.It's not even about that, it's that a lot of us wanted Landon Collins who went a few picks later and looks like the superior choice thus far. That draft was a mine field, we ended up with a good player which is better than more than half of the other teams can say but it still feels like we missed for stupid reasons. I really hope they went back to adjust the formula after jones/Collins because it had to be close grade wise, Collins with better tape jones better measurables it's clear that formula has to be tweaked to make Collins grade out higher and hope that tweak improves overall player evaluations and drafting.
Its a weird situation between those two.
Rookie year BJ was one one of the best in the draft class(highest grade of all 1st rounders) while Collins was rated a bottom 3 safety of all safeties, not just rookies. Giants fans wanted him cut after his rookie season.
Then Collins was a DPOY candidate their soph year while BJ was still a good player, but not close to DPOY level.
Then last year both underwhelmed.
BJ was much better one season, Collins was much better the next, then the next they were noth equally underwhelming.
Wouldnt dog them too much for the selection at this point, Collins hasnt given anyone a reason to dog the selection.
Collins happened to be good when the Gnats DLine was awesome.Its a weird situation between those two.
Rookie year BJ was one one of the best in the draft class(highest grade of all 1st rounders) while Collins was rated a bottom 3 safety of all safeties, not just rookies. Giants fans wanted him cut after his rookie season.
Then Collins was a DPOY candidate their soph year while BJ was still a good player, but not close to DPOY level.
Then last year both underwhelmed.
BJ was much better one season, Collins was much better the next, then the next they were noth equally underwhelming.
Wouldnt dog them too much for the selection at this point, Collins hasnt given anyone a reason to dog the selection.
Meh. Literally every team can go back and look at previous drafts and see who they "could/should have drafted".It's not even about that, it's that a lot of us wanted Landon Collins who went a few picks later and looks like the superior choice thus far. That draft was a mine field, we ended up with a good player which is better than more than half of the other teams can say but it still feels like we missed for stupid reasons. I really hope they went back to adjust the formula after jones/Collins because it had to be close grade wise, Collins with better tape jones better measurables it's clear that formula has to be tweaked to make Collins grade out higher and hope that tweak improves overall player evaluations and drafting.
To be fair, most whole league needs to tweak theyre board then as everybody passed on him for a supposedly "higher graded" player, there were only about 5-10 players at most that should have been ranked ahead of him.It's not even about that, it's that a lot of us wanted Landon Collins who went a few picks later and looks like the superior choice thus far. That draft was a mine field, we ended up with a good player which is better than more than half of the other teams can say but it still feels like we missed for stupid reasons. I really hope they went back to adjust the formula after jones/Collins because it had to be close grade wise, Collins with better tape jones better measurables it's clear that formula has to be tweaked to make Collins grade out higher and hope that tweak improves overall player evaluations and drafting.
You're making the tom Brady argument and it's not the same at all. We needed a safety we took a safety, the next one off the board soon after was better and who most of us wanted between the two. Nobody was comparing Apple to brown but we all were discussing jones vs Collins.Meh. Literally every team can go back and look at previous drafts and see who they "could/should have drafted".
I'll use the same two teams/different draft:
Giants select: Eli Apple 10th overall pick in the 1st round of the draft
Cowboys select: Anthony Brown 189th overall pick in the 6th round of the draft.
Even with Brown's benching (and eventual rebound), it's not even close as to which player has had the better pro career. And Brown actually looks like he'll be a significant contributor to a young and promising secondary. Apple? It's a matter of time before the team completely cuts ties.
I don't know what other teams are thinking but for us this situation is clear, whatever they thought gave jones the edge over Collins needs to be tweaked because I know it was close and personally I don't think Collins should be moved up but jones down, late first early second was right for Collins, jones should have been a solid second rounder.To be fair, most whole league needs to tweak theyre board then as everybody passed on him for a supposedly "higher graded" player, there were only about 5-10 players at most that should have been ranked ahead of him.
Didnt we have Collins rated as a second round prospect according to the leaked boards? Cause whover did that scouting needs to goI don't know what other teams are thinking but for us this situation is clear, whatever they thought gave jones the edge over Collins needs to be tweaked because I know it was close and personally I don't think Collins should be moved up but jones down, late first early second was right for Collins, jones should have been a solid second rounder.
I'm actually fine with that I have a problem with jones being graded higher. Whoever looked at all the evidence available for those two and decided jones was the better prospect needs re-evaluate how he grades prospects.Didnt we have Collins rated as a second round prospect according to the leaked boards? Cause whover did that scouting needs to go
Yes, Miami. I'm assuming for the weather and the babes.
And how many late 1st rounders from that draft have had better careers than BJ?