2018 Draft Chatter

From Tony Pauline. This guy is a great follow

As we get closer to the NFL combine, teams are preparing their positional draft boards. Most have completed the offensive line, and there are a few surprises. Also, we have the latest on Brett Toth of Army and Duke Ejiofor from Wake Forest.

It should come as no surprise that most teams gradeMike McGlinchey of Notre Dame as the only left tackle worthy of a first-round selection. Even less of a surprise is that teams stamp Orlando Brown of Oklahoma solely as a right tackle prospect and grade him as a late first-rounder. This is an opinion we agree with and will expound on next week.

The big surprise surrounds Connor Williams of Texas.

Several teams believe Williams is overrated and won’t be able to handle the left tackle spot at the next level. Some teams presently have Williams on their guard board.

Chukwuma Okorafor of Western Michigan, Brian O'Neill of Pittsburgh and Kolton Miller of UCLA are all stamped as second-day selections, with teams believing they will need significant work on their games before they are NFL-ready.

I’ve yet to speak with anyone who believes Martinas Rankin of Mississippi State will be drafted as a left tackle. I continue to hear a move into guard or possibly center is very likely.

Virginia Tech’s Tremaine Edmunds and Leighton Vander Esch of Boise State are two linebackers moving up draft boards, and the pair will be selected earlier than most presently predict.

Teams love Edmunds’ size, speed and power, which were things we mentioned last August. Right now, the belief is that Edmunds will be drafted in the top 12. I am anxious to see his shuttle times at the combine, as Edmunds does not have quick change-of-direction skills; he must slow and gather before he alters his path.

The voices inside the league comparing Vander Esch to former Mountain West star Brian Urlacher continue to get louder. He continues to be pegged as a three-down defender, and from everything I’m hearing he will test great at the combine.

Roquan Smith of Georgia could drop a little later in the first round than most anticipate. His deficiencies in coverage, especially when manned up against running backs or tight ends, are a concern for teams. It’s an opinion I agree with, although Smith is terrific facing the action when covering in zone.

I don’t expect Duke Ejiofor to drop on draft boards due to the shoulder surgery he recently underwent to repair a torn labrum. The pass rusher has two years of good tape and scouts pegged him to run 4.75s in the 40-yard dash entering the season, a good time for someone who will tip the scales near 270 pounds. Teams are intrigued by Ejiofor’s explosiveness, power and athleticism.

We presently grade Ejiofor as a third-round prospect on our defensive end board.

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Risen Star said:
I really love me some Nelson.

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Someone was talking about that clip and said that the amazing thing about that play was that was not a called play. He just realized his man was already taken so he turned back inside and went after the other player.

Don't know if that is true or not but if it is, it makes an already impressive play even more impressive.
 
Manwiththeplan said:
nfl.com loves this guy

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/andrew-brown?id=2559907

Or not...
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Someone watched the wrong tape or something...don’t see how you can possibly watch Brown and call him “slow twitch with heavy legs”.
Not to mention that the strengths and weakness descriptions completely contradict themselves.

1st round for Brown seems over the top but won’t be shocked if he goes mid-late 2nd. He’s really talented and I think was used out of position at Virginia. Could be a really good 3 tech in the NFL.
 
I always find it amusing when players suddenly rise up the draft board by sitting at home doing nothing.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
Someone was talking about that clip and said that the amazing thing about that play was that was not a called play. He just realized his man was already taken so he turned back inside and went after the other player.

Don't know if that is true or not but if it is, it makes an already impressive play even more impressive.
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That's what it looked like to me. I don't think that was his assignment just great awareness.
 
dfense said:
I always find it amusing when players suddenly rise up the draft board by sitting at home doing nothing.
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There are some that start rising up the board after a combine performance.

However there are some players out there that a lot of scout already have rated higher than most fans do...or the other way around.

Sometimes the fans are the ones late to the party as far as a Player being higher than they thought when scouts or Football personnel guys hold them higher...or the other way around where fans think one guy is a cant miss gotta have guy and we see them falling on draft day.

I think this is not a big number of players but I think it does happen every draft.
 
unionjack8 said:
From Tony Pauline. This guy is a great follow

As we get closer to the NFL combine, teams are preparing their positional draft boards. Most have completed the offensive line, and there are a few surprises. Also, we have the latest on Brett Toth of Army and Duke Ejiofor from Wake Forest.

It should come as no surprise that most teams gradeMike McGlinchey of Notre Dame as the only left tackle worthy of a first-round selection. Even less of a surprise is that teams stamp Orlando Brown of Oklahoma solely as a right tackle prospect and grade him as a late first-rounder. This is an opinion we agree with and will expound on next week.

The big surprise surrounds Connor Williams of Texas.

Several teams believe Williams is overrated and won’t be able to handle the left tackle spot at the next level. Some teams presently have Williams on their guard board.

Chukwuma Okorafor of Western Michigan, Brian O'Neill of Pittsburgh and Kolton Miller of UCLA are all stamped as second-day selections, with teams believing they will need significant work on their games before they are NFL-ready.

I’ve yet to speak with anyone who believes Martinas Rankin of Mississippi State will be drafted as a left tackle. I continue to hear a move into guard or possibly center is very likely.

Virginia Tech’s Tremaine Edmunds and Leighton Vander Esch of Boise State are two linebackers moving up draft boards, and the pair will be selected earlier than most presently predict.

Teams love Edmunds’ size, speed and power, which were things we mentioned last August. Right now, the belief is that Edmunds will be drafted in the top 12. I am anxious to see his shuttle times at the combine, as Edmunds does not have quick change-of-direction skills; he must slow and gather before he alters his path.

The voices inside the league comparing Vander Esch to former Mountain West star Brian Urlacher continue to get louder. He continues to be pegged as a three-down defender, and from everything I’m hearing he will test great at the combine.

Roquan Smith of Georgia could drop a little later in the first round than most anticipate. His deficiencies in coverage, especially when manned up against running backs or tight ends, are a concern for teams. It’s an opinion I agree with, although Smith is terrific facing the action when covering in zone.

I don’t expect Duke Ejiofor to drop on draft boards due to the shoulder surgery he recently underwent to repair a torn labrum. The pass rusher has two years of good tape and scouts pegged him to run 4.75s in the 40-yard dash entering the season, a good time for someone who will tip the scales near 270 pounds. Teams are intrigued by Ejiofor’s explosiveness, power and athleticism.

We presently grade Ejiofor as a third-round prospect on our defensive end board.

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then may the heavens let Roquon Smith,LB-Georgia fall to us at 19.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
There are some that start rising up the board after a combine performance.

However there are some players out there that a lot of scout already have rated higher than most fans do...or the other way around.

Sometimes the fans are the ones late to the party as far as a Player being higher than they thought when scouts or Football personnel guys hold them higher...or the other way around where fans think one guy is a cant miss gotta have guy and we see them falling on draft day.

I think this is not a big number of players but I think it does happen every draft.
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remember Mike Mamula,OLB-Boston College....darling of the combine....work-out warrior.....1st Rd pick.......BUST.
 
cowboyec said:
remember Mike Mamula,OLB-Boston College....darling of the combine....work-out warrior.....1st Rd pick.......BUST.
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Yes he was.

However there are too many players labeled work out warrior or combine darling.

There are some very good players that have good tape and production that really knock it out in the combine and just because many did not know much about the player prior to the combine..they call them work out warriors.

Demarcus Ware was that kind of person. Many did not know about him due to him being from a small school but he was a great player at Troy and the combine just helped reinforce his natural abilities. VS someone like OT Campbell from Maryland some years ago that barely made second team in his conference (if he did at all) and went to combine and blew the doors off. His tape did not match his combine showing at all but he was drafted off his combine numbers.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
Yes he was.

However there are too many players labeled work out warrior or combine darling.

There are some very good players that have good tape and production that really knock it out in the combine and just because many did not know much about the player prior to the combine..they call them work out warriors.

Demarcus Ware was that kind of person. Many did not know about him due to him being from a small school but he was a great player at Troy and the combine just helped reinforce his natural abilities. VS someone like OT Campbell from Maryland some years ago that barely made second team in his conference (if he did at all) and went to combine and blew the doors off. His tape did not match his combine showing at all but he was drafted off his combine numbers.
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totally agree.
the difference was Mamula's tape didnt measure up to his work-out.
not every player who has a great combine...is living off their measureables....most have tape to back it up.
Mamula is a warning....WATCH THE TAPE.
 
cowboyec said:
totally agree.
the difference was Mamula's tape didnt measure up to his work-out.
not every player who has a great combine...is living off their measureables....most have tape to back it up.
Mamula is a warning....WATCH THE TAPE.
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Yep
I liked the predictable years when Uncle Al was still in charge of the Raidas and you knew he was going to draft that player that killed the 40 at the combine even though they should have been drafted a couple rounds later.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
Yes he was.

However there are too many players labeled work out warrior or combine darling.

There are some very good players that have good tape and production that really knock it out in the combine and just because many did not know much about the player prior to the combine..they call them work out warriors.

Demarcus Ware was that kind of person. Many did not know about him due to him being from a small school but he was a great player at Troy and the combine just helped reinforce his natural abilities. VS someone like OT Campbell from Maryland some years ago that barely made second team in his conference (if he did at all) and went to combine and blew the doors off. His tape did not match his combine showing at all but he was drafted off his combine numbers.
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The big difference with Bruce Campbell was that he wasn't selected until the 4th round. Teams recognized that he was a workout guy, not a great prospect.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
Yep
I liked the predictable years when Uncle Al was still in charge of the Raidas and you knew he was going to draft that player that killed the 40 at the combine even though they should have been drafted a couple rounds later.
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usually a WR.
and he always signed a fmr Heisman winner.
 
Plankton said:
The big difference with Bruce Campbell was that he wasn't selected until the 4th round. Teams recognized that he was a workout guy, not a great prospect.
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IIRC prior to the combine...many had him projected as a 7th rounder or undrafted project.

I remember 4th round being a pretty high pick for him.
 
from an article on who will get the most draft buzz at the Combine...

Executive 4: FSU S Derwin James
"Derwin is going to start garnering some top-five attention after everyone sees him work out. He's going to turn some heads after he runs and does all the testing. He's a rare athlete at that size."

Mannn......
 
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