2018 Draft Chatter

Alexander

What's it going to be then, eh?
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This will be a story in a few days when people figure out free agency was a bomb and we are back to how we can just kill the draft because we want to.

Pretty soon it will be "we can do whatever we want in the draft" because we wasted a bunch of time and money taking Hernandez out to dinner.
 

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Just saw the Hernandez IG post. I just got done watching his film today - love the power, don't love the lack of pulling.
 

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That sounds like excuses. We're talking three years. That's less than 2 TFLs a year. I assure you Vita Vea's not pinning his ears back one gapping and he put up double that number. What you describe is a 1 tech. They're not drafting a 1 tech in the first round here. If they take a DT he's going to have to play the 3 for Marinelli. Which means getting up the field and making plays in the backfield. Something Payne hasn't done.


I listened to Chris Landry address the same concerns on the radio the other day. He was very high on Payne and said his role was to tie up blockers to let guys like Foster and Evans run freely to the ball. His write up on his website alludes to the same thing but is slightly different.


"17. DT DARON PAYNE–ALABAMA
Power run stuffing player who has more pass rush potential than he showed in college, playing in a two gapping front. Very quick hands and feet and quick to engage and disengage blocker. He hold the point vs double teams and displays lateral quickness. As a pass rusher, he is unrefined as he has a power move and a decent swim move but little else. Has top shelf instincts and leadership qualities.
He has only been a one year starter but played a lot of unselfish roles for Saban’s front. He can play multiple techniques on defensive front but best fit may be “0” technique. You can’t measure his production in sacks and tackles because he is a space eater and pressure guy whom other players on his front benefit front. Best football is in front of him and will help early."
 

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What bothers me about Payne is 5 career tackles for loss. That is alarmingly low for a guy who played extensively for 3 years. It's like Josh Allen's completion percentage. It's hard to overlook.

For comparison sake, Maurice Hurst played 3 and a half years and had 33.5 tackles for loss. Wide bodied 1 tech Vita Vea had almost double Payne in 3 years - 9.5.

He's your new 3 tech? What about the guy who had 5 sacks as a rookie and then you messed him up playing him out of position? I feel like this is a hole that isn't really there if we used our existing talent properly.

Now if you want to draft him there to play the 1 that makes more sense but the Cowboys won't do that. Any DT drafted in the first round will play the 3.


TFL numbers for some lower round players

D Nnandi FSU 24.5 and 12 sacks
D Senat South Florida 23.8 and 7 sacks
T Settle VT 19.5 a D 4 sacks (in only two years)
H Phillips Stanford 29 and 16. 5 sacks
F Fatukasi UCONN 21 and 14 sacks
 

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I listened to Chris Landry address the same concerns on the radio the other day. He was very high on Payne and said his role was to tie up blockers to let guys like Foster and Evans run freely to the ball. His write up on his website alludes to the same thing but is slightly different.


"17. DT DARON PAYNE–ALABAMA
Power run stuffing player who has more pass rush potential than he showed in college, playing in a two gapping front. Very quick hands and feet and quick to engage and disengage blocker. He hold the point vs double teams and displays lateral quickness. As a pass rusher, he is unrefined as he has a power move and a decent swim move but little else. Has top shelf instincts and leadership qualities.
He has only been a one year starter but played a lot of unselfish roles for Saban’s front. He can play multiple techniques on defensive front but best fit may be “0” technique. You can’t measure his production in sacks and tackles because he is a space eater and pressure guy whom other players on his front benefit front. Best football is in front of him and will help early."

Again, the "tied up blockers"excuse is all too convienent; someone forgot to tell Marcell Dareus, A'Shawn Robinson, Jarran Reed, et cetera.
 

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From Tony pauline...

Several second day prospects are working out today as well as a few late round sleepers. Let’s start off with a few final notes from yesterday.

UCLA

I’ll stay away from the Josh Rosen coverage as everyone has been all over it but will I will mention the Bruins second rated prospect, offensive tackle Kolton Miller.

Miller stood on his combine numbers yet looked very athletic during position drills. He’s a long lean tackle who moved well about the field. I was surprised to find out many teams feel he’ll stay at left tackle in the NFL as I’ve always viewed Miller as a right tackle prospect. Scouts love his upside and feel he has the agility to stay on the blind side.

Miller met with the Seattle Seahawks, Carolina Panthers and Atlanta Falcons at USC pro-day. He will be working out for the San Francisco 49ers in the coming days and has an official visit set for theDallas Cowboys.

Grand Valley State

Twelve teams were on hand for GVSU pro-day. Receiver Brandon Bean and tight end Nick Keizerwere the highlights.

Bean, graded as a free agent prospect before the season, measured 6005 (though he’s been measured at 6-feet-1.5-inches in the past) and 212 pounds. He timed in the low 4.6’s in the forty, 4.25s in the short shuttle and 6.9s in the 3 cone. His vertical jump was 35.5 inches Teams like Bean’s special teams potential as much as his receiving ability.

Bean met with the Dallas Cowboys, Detroit Lionsand Denver Broncos.

Keizer was not rated coming into the season but gained momentum late in the campaign. He finished the year with 29 receptions for 504 yards and 9 TD’s.

Keizer came in at 6-feet-5-inches and 255 pounds, timed in the mid to high 4.7’s, completed 28 reps on the bench press and reaches 10-feet-2-inches in the broad jump. He met with the Indianapolis Colts and Los Angeles Chargers.

Also working out was one time Iowa linebackerReggie Spearman.

Someone who looked like a potentially good prospect early in his Hawkeye career, Spearman ran afoul and moved from Iowa to Illinois State before eventually landing in GVSU. I don’t have any numbers but was told he looked good in drills.

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Notes:

Atlanta Falcons head coach Dan Quinn, defensive coordinator Marquand Manuel and general manager Thomas Dimitroff were in Boulder earlier this week to work out CU defensive backs Isaiah Oliver andAfolabi Laguda.

The Georgia Tech workout is underway. Receiver Ricky Jeune measured 6020/214 pounds, completed 15 reps on the bench, touched 36 inches in the vertical jump and timed between 4.52s to 4.56s in the forty.

March 16 Pro Day Reports

Central Michigan

Nevada

Oregon State
 

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Miller met with the Seattle Seahawks, Carolina Panthers and Atlanta Falcons at USC pro-day. He will be working out for the San Francisco 49ers in the coming days and has an official visit set for theDallas Cowboys.
Not sure he is there at 50 and I dont see him at 19.
 

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Brandon Bean - WR - Lakers
Grand Valley State WR Brandon Bean met with the Dallas Cowboys, Detroit Lions and Denver Broncos during Thursday's pro day.

Bean (6'0/212) posted unremarkable athletic marks on pro day, including a 40-yard dash in the vicinity of the low 4.6's and a vertical jump which touched 35.5 inches. Much of his appeal, notes Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline, comes in his upside as a special teams piece. He's a likely UDFA candidate for April.
 

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I’m told it was a huge crowd today for the NC State pro day, and the workout was full of NFL decision makers. Defensive line coaches for the Indianapolis Colts, Arizona Cardinals, New York Giants andCarolina Panthers were just a small fraction of those on hand. Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli was also at the workout.

Times for Bradley Chubb in the short shuttle ranged as low as 4.18, more than two-tenths faster than his combine mark. Chubb looked great in drills and participated in defensive line drills while also doing a few drops into coverage. Bill Belichick of theNew England Patriots, who was on hand for the workout, mentioned to a number of people how impressed he was by Chubb.

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Kentavius Street also did drills and looked terrific. He was fast, fluid and looked very athletic. Street timed 4.87 at the combine after weighing in at 280 pounds but strained his hamstring. He recovered well enough to take part in today’s position drills.

Teams love Street’s versatility and feel he can line-up on the edge in a 4-3 and be used as a 3-technique tackle in subpackages. Over the past two days Street has met with the Arizona Cardinals, Carolina Panthers, New York Giants, Indianapolis Colts andDetroit Lions.

Jaylen Samuels was run through both running back and tight end drills and looked terrific, especially catching the ball. He touched 34.5 inches in the vertical jump, which equaled his combine mark. Samuels has met with the New York Jets, Dallas Cowboys and Carolina Panthers since last night.

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Defensive lineman Justin Jones stood on just about all his numbers from the combine but did position drills and by all accounts looked incredible. As one scout commented, Jones ability to bend and explode out of his stance was unparalleled all day. Over the course of the past two days Jones has met with theNew York Giants, Arizona Cardinals, Miami Dolphins, Los Angeles Chargers, Detroit Lionsand Indianapolis Colts.

Nyheim Hines was another who looked explosive and displayed his sheer athleticism on pro-day. Hines posted a 10-foot-2-inch broad jump, timed 4.21s short shuttle and 6.85s 3 cone- marks all better than the one’s he laid down at the combine.

Much of his position drills were run but Tennessee Titans offensive coordinator Terry Robiskie until the end when Duce Staley of the Philadelphia Eaglestook over.

Hines, who had lunch with the Los Angeles Chargers yesterday then dinner with the New York Jets last night, also spent one-on-one time with theCarolina Panthers and Cincinnati Bengals. It’s safe to say he’s ensured himself as a second day pick

Guard Tony Adams also met with the Los Angeles Chargers as well as the Baltimore Ravens andPittsburgh Steelers. A standout during practices for the Shrine Game, Adam will slot into the late part of day three.

Finally, underrated linebacker Airius Moore had a solid day. He measured 5116/230 pounds, completed 19 reps on the bench, timed 4.14s in the short shuttle and touched 32 inches in the vertical jump as well as 9-feet-8-inches in the broad jump. Moore, who we have graded just outside of draftable range, met extensively with the Arizona Cardinals.
 
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