2024-25 College Football Thread

[BoysForLife]

Yes obviously. When I posted it, Michigan hadn't beaten Bama yet which is the basis of your arguement.

The basis of my argument is you're acting like this is 2011 and it's a forgone conclusion that the SEC has the best 3 teams in college football by a wide margin. That simply isn't the case every year like clockwork anymore.

South Carolina played an equivalent team record wise without their best defensive player who opted out of the game. And let's be honest, South Carolina isn't exactly SEC royalty.

I agree SC is Not "SEC royalty" but For the record Illinois is normally a Big Ten bottom feeder. They haven't had a 10 win season since 2001 and have had only one 9 win season since 2007. So it's not like The Gamecocks faced off against Ohio State or even Wisconsin. Illinois is normally horrible. And as for Carolinas best defensive player opting out, again Michigan was missing their best 3 defensive players and their QB for the 2nd half against basically a full strength Alabama team. Would you have accepted that rationale if Michigan had lost a close game to Alabama?

One more time, I'm not SEC bashing. I still think they are the best conference overall but it's close. It's a good chance the Big Ten could produce a national Champion for the 2nd straight year. At bare minimum it's very likely that a Big Ten team is in the CFP title game.

I'm not saying the SEC is trash. I'm merely rebuking your seeming assertion that everyone else is garbage compared to the mighty SEC.

That used to be the case. It isn't anymore. No more complicated than that..

 

[BoysForLife]

maybe michigan shoulda been in the playoff.
beat ohio st.
beat alabama that many thought shoulda got in.

Lol. I'm a Michigan alum and lifelong Blue fan. And the Wolverines have zero business being in the playoff.

That said, hopefully they put to rest any controversy from Paul Finebaum and Lane Kiffin about some SEC teams being overlooked.

If Bama is still *****ing about being left out (after losing to a 7-5 Michigan team with 3 defensive starters opting out and losing their qb for the whole 2nd half today), they need a reality check.

Leaving Bama at home was absolutely the right decision by the committee

 

[AyeAtey]

Anyone needs a TE; check out the stud playing for Penn St.

 

[DFWJC]

They need to fix the seeding in the tourney.

Penn State was worse than Ohio State and Oregon just in their own league, yet they got the easier path than both.
Beat SMU and Boise State and make it to the semis. Good grief.

 

[DFWJC]

maybe michigan shoulda been in the playoff.
beat ohio st.
beat alabama that many thought shoulda got in.

Uh...no

 

[gtb1943]

Uh...no

You need to get it done all season to be in the Playoffs; at least I hope you should. Smile at seeing Alabama getting beat AGAIN.

 

[gtb1943]

Lol. I'm a Michigan alum and lifelong Blue fan. And the Wolverines have zero business being in the playoff.

That said, hopefully they put to rest any controversy from Paul Finebaum and Lane Kiffin about some SEC teams being overlooked.

If Bama is still *****ing about being left out (after losing to a 7-5 Michigan team with 3 defensive starters opting out and losing their qb for the whole 2nd half today), they need a reality check.

Leaving Bama at home was absolutely the right decision by the committee

absolutely. Michigan led the whole game.

 

[DZSierra]

They need to fix the seeding in the tourney.

Penn State was worse than Ohio State and Oregon just in their own league, yet they got the easier path than both.
Beat SMU and Boise State and make it to the semis. Good grief.

As a Penn State alumni and Penn State fan, I couldn't happen to agree more with you.

The irony is that the Dallas Cowboys have won a super bowl AFTER Penn State won their last national championship (which I watched intently on TV when I was a student there).

Ohio State playing Oregon in the playoffs not for the national championship screws both teams over IMO.

James Franklin has a 3-19 record against top ten teams, and Penn State lost to both Oregon and Ohio State this year. Go figure.

Now, that said, back in the 70's and 80's, there were more than a couple of times when PSU got screwed over in the rankings when they should have been playing for the national championship IMO.

It all comes down to money and how college football can make MORE money.

A frickin 6-6 team is excited when they can make a bowl game and they didn't even have a winning season...

The larger the fan base, the better treatment a teams gets IMO, which Penn State has relied on IMO over the last couple of decades.

 

[DZSierra]

If Bama is still *****ing about being left out (after losing to a 7-5 Michigan team with 3 defensive starters opting out and losing their qb for the whole 2nd half today), they need a reality check.

 

[atlantacowboy]

The basis of my argument is you're acting like this is 2011 and it's a forgone conclusion that the SEC has the best 3 teams in college football by a wide margin. That simply isn't the case every year like clockwork anymore.



I agree SC is Not "SEC royalty" but For the record Illinois is normally a Big Ten bottom feeder. They haven't had a 10 win season since 2001 and have had only one 9 win season since 2007. So it's not like The Gamecocks faced off against Ohio State or even Wisconsin. Illinois is normally horrible. And as for Carolinas best defensive player opting out, again Michigan was missing their best 3 defensive players and their QB for the 2nd half against basically a full strength Alabama team. Would you have accepted that rationale if Michigan had lost a close game to Alabama?

One more time, I'm not SEC bashing. I still think they are the best conference overall but it's close. It's a good chance the Big Ten could produce a national Champion for the 2nd straight year. At bare minimum it's very likely that a Big Ten team is in the CFP title game.

I'm not saying the SEC is trash. I'm merely rebuking your seeming assertion that everyone else is garbage compared to the mighty SEC.

That used to be the case. It isn't anymore. No more complicated than that..

I never said the rest of college football is garbage, and I would challenge you to produce any quote from me that even implied it. Illinois won 10 games this year. That's a good team.

2011? lol Seriously? You think we have to hearken all the way back that long ago to see the SEC as dominant? The SEC has won 4 out of the last 5 national titles. Alabama played UGA for the national title just a mere 2 years ago. Michigan broke up the party last year so congrats to them. I think the Big 10 is the second best conference and the top of the conference can play with the big boys in the SEC, but that's been the case for a long time.

This is a down year for UGA and Alabama for numerous reasons. Enjoy the reprieve. UGA could still win it but they aren't what they've been the past 3 years. Texas is the team to beat for the next few years b/c of Arch Manning.

 

[gtb1943]

I never said the rest of college football is garbage, and I would challenge you to produce any quote from me that even implied it. Illinois won 10 games this year. That's a good team.

2011? lol Seriously? You think we have to hearken all the way back that long ago to see the SEC as dominant? The SEC has won 4 out of the last 5 national titles. Alabama played UGA for the national title just a mere 2 years ago. Michigan broke up the party last year so congrats to them. I think the Big 10 is the second best conference and the top of the conference can play with the big boys in the SEC, but that's been the case for a long time.

This is a down year for UGA and Alabama for numerous reasons. Enjoy the reprieve. UGA could still win it but they aren't what they've been the past 3 years. Texas is the team to beat for the next few years b/c of Arch Manning.

yeah sure whatever

 

[gtb1943]

As a Penn State alumni and Penn State fan, I couldn't happen to agree more with you.

The irony is that the Dallas Cowboys have won a super bowl AFTER Penn State won their last national championship (which I watched intently on TV when I was a student there).

Ohio State playing Oregon in the playoffs not for the national championship screws both teams over IMO.

James Franklin has a 3-19 record against top ten teams, and Penn State lost to both Oregon and Ohio State this year. Go figure.

Now, that said, back in the 70's and 80's, there were more than a couple of times when PSU got screwed over in the rankings when they should have been playing for the national championship IMO.

It all comes down to money and how college football can make MORE money.

A frickin 6-6 team is excited when they can make a bowl game and they didn't even have a winning season...

The larger the fan base, the better treatment a teams gets IMO, which Penn State has relied on IMO over the last couple of decades.

I agree with you about 6 win teams. I am old enough to remember when there was the Big 4, then the Gator Bowl, Liberty Bowl, Astro/Blue Bonnet Bowl and the Sun Bowl. And that was it. A lot of teams did not make it to a bowl even when they won 8 games. Making it to a bowl game was huge for the vast majority of programs.
Now is meaningless; like so much else anymore.

 

[BoysForLife]

I never said the rest of college football is garbage, and I would challenge you to produce any quote from me that even implied it. Illinois won 10 games this year. That's a good team.

2011? lol Seriously? You think we have to hearken all the way back that long ago to see the SEC as dominant? The SEC has won 4 out of the last 5 national titles. Alabama played UGA for the national title just a mere 2 years ago. Michigan broke up the party last year so congrats to them. I think the Big 10 is the second best conference and the top of the conference can play with the big boys in the SEC, but that's been the case for a long time.

This is a down year for UGA and Alabama for numerous reasons. Enjoy the reprieve. UGA could still win it but they aren't what they've been the past 3 years. Texas is the team to beat for the next few years b/c of Arch Manning.

All good bro. I enjoyed this discussion.

2 things:

As a lifelong Michigan fan and alum I absolutely despise Ohio State. I'll root for any big ten team except them or Sparty. At this point I'm pulling for Penn State or Oregon but if it's Georgia vs Ohio State in the final I'll be all about your boys in that match up

Second I agree with you about Texas with the caveat *if* Arch is all he's cracked up to be. I'm still not sure if he's hyped at the level he's hyped at because he's actually that good, or because of his last name.

Time will tell. But if he's the real deal, you're 100% correct they are set up for a great run the next couple years.

Happy New Year to you and yours.

 

[gtb1943]

All good bro. I enjoyed this discussion.

2 things:

As a lifelong Michigan fan and alum I absolutely despise Ohio State. I'll root for any big ten team except them or Sparty. At this point I'm pulling for Penn State or Oregon but if it's Georgia vs Ohio State in the final I'll be all about your boys in that match up

Second I agree with you about Texas with the caveat *if* Arch is all he's cracked up to be. I'm still not sure if he's hyped at the level he's hyped at because he's actually that good, or because of his last name.

Time will tell. But if he's the real deal, you're 100% correct they are set up for a great run the next couple years.

Happy New Year to you and yours.

Manning has not really had a chance to show much; but when he has played he has not looked all that. But then spot play as a backup often is pretty worthless in figuring out a player's worth.
But the fact that he is the backup to a QB who is not exactly great says something right there
His family has said he wants two full years as a starter before going pro which is the smart thing to do. we will see

 

[atlantacowboy]

All good bro. I enjoyed this discussion.

2 things:

As a lifelong Michigan fan and alum I absolutely despise Ohio State. I'll root for any big ten team except them or Sparty. At this point I'm pulling for Penn State or Oregon but if it's Georgia vs Ohio State in the final I'll be all about your boys in that match up

Second I agree with you about Texas with the caveat *if* Arch is all he's cracked up to be. I'm still not sure if he's hyped at the level he's hyped at because he's actually that good, or because of his last name.

Time will tell. But if he's the real deal, you're 100% correct they are set up for a great run the next couple years.

Happy New Year to you and yours.

Here's the crazy thing about Arch. He's more athletic than his uncles Peyton and Eli but has all their QB traits and size. He runs a 4.6 and was clocked at 20.7 MPH on a 67 yard TD run this season. So that's elite speed at QB. He's not going to be locked into the pocket like a statue. It's a cool story if you have ever taken a deep dive into his rise. He could have transferred last off season and started somewhere else, but he loves Texas and his life on campus. I'm not a longhorn fan, but it should be fun watching him every week next year.

Michigan seemed to get better as the year went on. Beating OSU was a shocker and then Bama yesterday. You guys have a monster freshman Qb arriving next year. So, I expect UM to be an annual participant in the CFP going forward. Lord knows you guys have no shortage of NIL money.

My main contention with the playoff is that it needlessly rewarded conference champs with bye weeks. It was pure silliness giving ASU and BSU byes and jumping them ahead of much better teams in seeding. As BSU showed last night, there is a huge difference between the Mountain West and Big 10 particularly along the DL and OL. I think ASU is going to find out the same thing in a few minutes. Its just a physical mismatch. Now you guys can shout me down over Bama over their inconsistency , but they aren't going to get physically dominated like these smaller schools. The CFP thought they were the 11th best team in college. So, it was more of a 'next team up' thing than SEC homer thing.

 

[SlammedZero]

My Broncos hung in there for most of the game but ended up shooting themselves in the foot too many times. We had four drives where we left points on the field: two missed field goals (I swear this program is cursed with kickers), a hands-to-the-face call that wiped out a TD that would’ve made it 24-21, and an INT where I’m still not sure why he threw it. You just can’t leave points like that on the field. Offense needed to step up.

Proud of the defense, though. After those first two drives, when Penn State went right down the field, I thought it was going to be a long game. But the D really dug in and played well, at least until the very end when they were gassed, and the game was basically out of reach.

I know the haters are out in full force, but I think Boise State made Penn State earn that W.

Jeanty was just 28 yards shy of the record. On that 3rd-and-21 where he broke free, if he had bounced to the left of his WR’s block, he hits his head on the goalpost and gets the record. Alas, it wasn’t meant to be.

 

[jterrell]

No argument with 20/20 hindsight. But going forward, if a team finishes in the top 12 in the CFP final poll, they should go to the playoffs or what the heck is the point of the poll?

Bama did not adjust well to Kalen Beboer b/c Milroe can't run his his passing offense. They have the #2 class and are loaded with 4 and 5 star recruits. It will be interesting to see if Deboer can do better with a passing QB. Another 9-4 season and he'll be looking for a new job.

The poll awarded championships for 50 years. Thats the entire point of the CFP to get away from that nonsense.
Thats why I support teams like Boise State getting in every year. They have been denied any access whatsoever for 50 years.
May they be in over there heads on first trip? Absolutely.
But those kids and coaches get experience in the CFP and can come back and compete there in future years.

It is all about access and shared experience. .

 

[atlantacowboy]

The poll awarded championships for 50 years. Thats the entire point of the CFP to get away from that nonsense.
Thats why I support teams like Boise State getting in every year. They have been denied any access whatsoever for 50 years.
May they be in over there heads on first trip? Absolutely.
But those kids and coaches get experience in the CFP and can come back and compete there in future years.

It is all about access and shared experience. .

I'm not advocating using the poll to award championships. It should be used to choose the 12 playoff teams regardless of conference.

BSU showed last night that they don't belong. That was a huge physical mismatch on both the OL and DL's and you could see it from the first PSU drive. Jeanty probably cost himself a lot of money b/c now teams have to wonder how much of that huge yardage total came as a result of running against cream puff defenses all year in the Mountain West.

I could care less about access. I want competitive football games and I want the best teams to play each other. That should be the priority.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Skatebo is looking like a young John Riggins.

 

[Hardline]

Texas 2 offensive plays
Texas 14
ASU 3