3-4 Update

[TNCowboy]

Most of this thread is pointless. We can't get 2 1st round rated players like Ngata and Carpenter.

 

[Hostile]

Most of this thread is pointless. We can't get 2 1st round rated players like Ngata and Carpenter.

Several draft sites project Carpenter to the top of the 2nd. So technically we could trade down in the 1st, move up in the 2nd and get Carpenter. However, Ngata will not fall unless something weird happens.

 

[Nors]

We can get a

Watson
Carpenter

draft, last year we went Merriman/Ware at #11 afraid we'd lose the guys we wanted and it was a better shot that Spears would drop to 20 on studying teams between 11-20.

NT is Ngata/Watson. They are both gone by our second. Carpenter and the 3-4 OLB's there are a half dozen like players out there candidly and someone ala the JJ rb venture will be there mid second for us.

So now lets really break BPA and BPA Need at #18.

QB, RB, CB we can kinda rule out.
Guard, FS, FB traditionally don't go that high and will be there later in draft.
WR - I really don't grade a WR there at #18 and not better than what we have.

That leaves

NT
3/4 DE/OLB
OT
TE

We went Ware and Spears last draft in First and I sense we won't replicate that - for Lawson? Who at #18? Carpenter is not BPA there either.

OT is a maybe but I can't see paying a #1LT draft pick to move to RT, and yet another rookie out there. When we can get a Fabini or Vet we know can play and compete with Petitti.

TE - Now if Davis or Pope drops to #18 the game is on. They are BPA - and an offensive weapon. Forget TE - Big, fast young offensive WEAPON.

If I'm spot on playing the odds.


Its BPA

Davis - TE
Ngata - NT
Watson - NT
Pope - TE


That all gone you look at best OT in McNeill and maybe a FS/CB type - Huff.

Thoughts?
I played this exact game last year and nailed


1) Ware/Merriman
1A) Spears
2) Heath Miller or LB

 

[junk]

I don't know that Pope is BPA available at 18. He could be there in the second.

 

[junk]

Thoughts?
I played this exact game last year and nailed


1) Ware/Merriman
1A) Spears
2) Heath Miller or LB

You also guessed everyone under the sun at one point and, if I recall, posted a pre-draft diatribe railing against Ware.

 

[Rush 2112]

I'm not at all convinced Pope is a first rounder or that's he's better than Fasano, Klopfenstein.

Same receiver, with far more speed and better blocking is a available later.

Klopf......6-6/255, 4.52
Pope......6-7/250, Sundial speed

This isn't Davis or Watson.....physical freak we're talking about.

Jeremy Stevens?

 

[Natedawg44]

sundial = 4.62

 

[J-DOG]

Dallas actions speak on Glover. If they wanted him they would have restructured. Talent - yes we need to go get Kemoeatu, Ngata, Watson to plug NT with Fergi. Glover is better served in 4-3 somewhere.

Draft LB!

Carpenter/Lawson - OLB
Anderson/Wimbley - my LB/DE sleepers

I like the idea of adding that NT in FA.
Especially Kemoeatu. He is young enough to be here awhile too.
Ngata and Watson do not impress me at all.
If anyone thinks Kemoeatu is not that good go ask Lacharles Bentley what he thinks of him.
Putting Kemoeatu against your bitter hated rival(Philly) twice a year would be nice...especially if they are able to land Bentley like the reports say they are.
I don't see us staying at 18 in the draft.
We will probably move out of that spot and move down some.
If by chance we do stay, I think OT and WR are not going to be the positions we pick.

 

[Nors]

I'm not at all convinced Pope is a first rounder or that's he's better than Fasano, Klopfenstein.

Same receiver, with far more speed and better blocking is a available later.

Klopf......6-6/255, 4.52
Pope......6-7/250, Sundial speed

This isn't Davis or Watson.....physical freak we're talking about.

Jeremy Stevens?

Stevens was a thug - But is tall like Pope -
You realize Pope ran a 4.62 at combine? And he's 6-8 FYI. Thats a freak and he has great hands and can block.

I'll wager he gets drafted before Klopf and Fassano:laugh2: :laugh2:

 

[Nors]

I like the idea of adding that NT in FA.
Especially Kemoeatu. He is young enough to be here awhile too.
Ngata and Watson do not impress me at all.
If anyone thinks Kemoeatu is not that good go ask Lacharles Bentley what he thinks of him.
Putting Kemoeatu against your bitter hated rival(Philly) twice a year would be nice...especially if they are able to land Bentley like the reports say they are.
I don't see us staying at 18 in the draft.
We will probably move out of that spot and move down some.
If by chance we do stay, I think OT and WR are not going to be the positions we pick.

I'd like to see JJ have Ma'ake Kemeatu On a plane Monday and at a PC on Tuesday - a Cowboy. Not a glamour name FA but would cement our Dline and open up our draft.


Good call - JD

 

[Rush 2112]

I'll wager LJ, Clark and Joppru go ahead of Witten.

Pope doesn't block anything and he can't spell UGA.

Pass. Better TE's available later.

 

[Nors]

I'll wager LJ, Clark and Joppru go ahead of Witten.

Pope doesn't block anything and he can't spell UGA.

Pass. Better TE's available later.

Sundial claim - wrong
Heightat 6-7 - wrong

Thats two strikes. He might not know how to spell UGA but he knows what UGA stands for. I've seen highly literate folks not know what UGA stands for!

 

[Nors]

Leonard Pope
TE, Georgia
War Room analysis
Hands: Has great receiving skills. Uses big hands, long arms and tall frame to battle for passes. Adjusts well to airborne passes. Is a big target, especially in the red zone. Grade: 8.2.

Patterns: Versatile route runner. Has excellent speed and quickness to stretch the field. Is especially good at finding soft spots in zone coverage. Grade: 8.2.

Run after catch: Catches well and tucks the ball away quickly. Gets body turned upfield in playmaking position. Grade: 7.9.

Release: Shows quick feet and great burst off the line. Makes great use of long arms to keep defenders off him. Struggles, however, when defenders lock on. Grade: 7.7.

Blocking: Has great potential because of his size, strength and athleticism. Must add bulk to be effective. Gets to the linebacker level quickly. Has improved blocking in open field. Is powerful with good hands. When locked on, pushes defender out of plays. Grade: 7.6.

Bottom line: Pope has ideal height and great speed for his size. He needs to bulk up for the NFL, but he has the body to handle the weight. A highly productive early-entry junior, Pope's all-around skills make him a late first-round or early second-round prospect.

NEWS

There are some big dudes in a loaded tight end draft class, but one guy who really stood out was Pope, a 6-73/4, 258-pound physical freak who appears he's going to make the lives of a lot of NFL linebackers and safeties incredibly miserable.

The Eagles, Commanders and Jaguars have already visited with Pope, and a lot more teams are going to be salivating over this guy, who stands out even in a loaded tight end class.

What’s scary is, he has the ability to get bigger. "Right now I'm satisfied with my weight at 258," he says. "But I'll tend to gain maybe 10 more pounds and still try to run like a 4.6 or 4.5." -- USA Today

 

[dallasfaniac]

You also guessed everyone under the sun at one point and, if I recall, posted a pre-draft diatribe railing against Ware.

I don't remember Nors railing against Ware, unless you mean his 'Ware will not be taken at #11, take him at #20' , although you are right about the everyone under the sun.

 

[Nors]

I don't remember Nors railing against Ware, unless you mean his 'Ware will not be taken at #11, take him at #20' , although you are right about the everyone under the sun.

See my "Beware post" - I was all over him as a hybrid DE/OLB prospect. Very high on him. Yes - at #11 I thought Merriman was the better pick. Bigger guy, 3-4 Experience and only 20 years old. Thought there was a lot of risk in Ware at #11.

I hope both are great now.

 

[playit12]

I don't think what Nors has proposed can seriously field us enough LBers to fill our spots and still be able to stop the run. I don't think we have two quality starters outside of Ware and James.

To think that we can get two more starters and depth out of Shanle, Burnett, at most one first day pick, and FAs (this isn't a good year for 3-4 Linebackers on the market thus far) seems unrealistic. Between Ratliff, Thomas Johnson, and Fergy we can at least field 2 NTs. Plus there are a whole lot of FA NTs on the street that will come cheap.

This just seems like a better year to draft LB and not NT to me.

 

[Nors]

I don't think what Nors has proposed can seriously field us enough LBers to fill our spots and still be able to stop the run. I don't think we have two quality starters outside of Ware and James.

To think that we can get two more starters and depth out of Shanle, Burnett, at most one first day pick, and FAs (this isn't a good year for 3-4 Linebackers on the market thus far) seems unrealistic. Between Ratliff, Thomas Johnson, and Fergy we can at least field 2 NTs. Plus there are a whole lot of FA NTs on the street that will come cheap.


Cheap - see RCB, FS past few seasons.

Just to clariffy my draft stance


NT
LB/DE - I am drafting both positions Day 1 in some capacity. May sneak in Pope/Davis if they slide to us - major TE/WR targets.

Schlegel will be my day 2 stud ILB steal. Will get Pareham in UDFA - and Practice squad him a year too.

 

[Nors]

Also - resign Fujita or a Chattam in FA

McGinnest also an option and Thornton is back off IR this year as well. We are going to rock 3-4 style!

:starspin

 

[big dog cowboy]

We are going to rock 3-4 style!

It appears we are on our way. I just hope BP and JJ complete the job and we can really dominate.

 

[Hostile]

Just to clariffy my draft stance


NT
LB/DE - I am drafting both positions Day 1 in some capacity. May sneak in Pope/Davis if they slide to us - major TE/WR targets.

Schlegel will be my day 2 stud ILB steal. Will get Pareham in UDFA - and Practice squad him a year too.

You think Kai Parham of Virginia will go undrafted?



Plus he'll survive being on our PS?



Oh my that's good stuff. Almost as good as some of the promises you make.