3-4 Update

[playit12]

Cheap - see RCB, FS past few seasons.

Just to clariffy my draft stance

NT
LB/DE - I am drafting both positions Day 1 in some capacity. May sneak in Pope/Davis if they slide to us - major TE/WR targets.

Schlegel will be my day 2 stud ILB steal. Will get Pareham in UDFA - and Practice squad him a year too.

Any nose tackle we pick up isn't going to be playing 60 snaps a game, so I don't think the comparison to RCB and FS is really accurate. Plus, I'm talking about an established vet. The only person we picked up in that catagory is perhaps Aaron Glenn... and I think he played nicely. Certainly all the guys on the market are short timers thus far (Adams, Washington, ect..) but I can live with that. I don't mind what we currently have on the team.

We have major depth issues along the O-Line. As that is a much more expensive issue to solve in FA, I'd expect one or more of our first day picks to be applied there. Certainly at least one of our first two picks. 3rd round and beyond is a developement project.

As the other poster said, you are dreaming on Parham.

We've already seen what Fujita can do... he was a significant step down from Al Singleton. There is no reason what-so-ever to resign him as a starter and then spend a first round pick on a second NT. The defense is only as strong as it's weakest link, and that would remain it.

I see us drafting to fix our ILB/OLB woes early. Beyond that I'd expect either a second round FS/OG/ or OT. Also I'd like to see all of our LB draftees to be converted DEs (for size and strength at the expense of speed). An exception might be a SS/LB tweener at the other OLB position in the mold of a Troy Polomalu/Boulware player for our nickle package. Other draft spots will be for a blocking TE (not a hybrid... really a stud blocker) and depth at FS/OG/Center/FB/...

I guess time will tell. But just don't forget that the main idea behind the 3-4 over te 4-3 was to get more line backers on the field. What is the point if you aren't putting quality players out there?

 

[junk]

I guess time will tell. But just don't forget that the main idea behind the 3-4 over te 4-3 was to get more line backers on the field. What is the point if you aren't putting quality players out there?

I never understood running a scheme predicated on having playmaking linebackers when the team doesn't really have any outside of Ware. James is developing into a solid player, but definitely not a impact guy.

I also don't understand the desire to draft a TE or NT in one when there are glaring holes at OLB, ILB, FS, OT.

 

[DLCassidy]

Any nose tackle we pick up isn't going to be playing 60 snaps a game, so I don't think the comparison to RCB and FS is really accurate. Plus, I'm talking about an established vet. The only person we picked up in that catagory is perhaps Aaron Glenn... and I think he played nicely. Certainly all the guys on the market are short timers thus far (Adams, Washington, ect..) but I can live with that. I don't mind what we currently have on the team.

I see your point but I think BP wants to develop a NT behind Fergy. I guy I have my eye on for this role is Montavious Stanley of Louisville. He's a talented player but he may slip some on draft day because he had some injuries as a senior. If we trade down in the 3rd for a late 4th he might be there and that would be a nice rotation guy now that could develop into a starter.

We have major depth issues along the O-Line. As that is a much more expensive issue to solve in FA, I'd expect one or more of our first day picks to be applied there. Certainly at least one of our first two picks. 3rd round and beyond is a developement project.

You're probably right here. But if the 4 top guards are gone by our 2nd round choice I don't think we'll reach. The only 3rd round guard I like is an Ivy League guy named Kevin Boothe. Since I don't see us cutting LA this year he could be developed into a starter by next year.

As the other poster said, you are dreaming on Parham.

Parham is going to be drafted. But not breaking 5.0 in the 40 is going to hurt his stock a lot. He could be around in the 6th round.

We've already seen what Fujita can do... he was a significant step down from Al Singleton. There is no reason what-so-ever to resign him as a starter and then spend a first round pick on a second NT. The defense is only as strong as it's weakest link, and that would remain it.

I see us drafting to fix our ILB/OLB woes early. Beyond that I'd expect either a second round FS/OG/ or OT. Also I'd like to see all of our LB draftees to be converted DEs (for size and strength at the expense of speed). An exception might be a SS/LB tweener at the other OLB position in the mold of a Troy Polomalu/Boulware player for our nickle package. Other draft spots will be for a blocking TE (not a hybrid... really a stud blocker) and depth at FS/OG/Center/FB/...

I guess time will tell. But just don't forget that the main idea behind the 3-4 over te 4-3 was to get more line backers on the field. What is the point if you aren't putting quality players out there?

OLB early 1st or late 1st w/ TD, FA ILB plus ILB draft late is my take. TE 5th round. We're going to have to decide which is a higher priority in the draft, FS or WR we won't have enough ammo to choose both. My guess is it will be WR in round 3, not FS and we sign a vet FS in FA.

 

[Nors]

Free agency starts Monday - will have a bearing on how this goes. Our first draft pick is rather easy to statistically narrow down.

QB,RB, CB - Not likely - team set

ILB, FS, FB, G, C - not traditional First rounders

3-4 DE - Set with Canty/Spears

WR - Not graded great as BPA #18

That narrows to OLB, OT, NT

Can't see BP trotting another converted LT - high paid draft pick out at RT - Go get Fabini in FA/Petitti healthy

NT - OLB - TE - That's the betting odds candidly

TE - Best Weapons there at #18 Davis/Pope are WR/TE studs

NT - Ngata/Watson solidify interior D Between Canty/Spears

OLB - Lawson is a thought there and Carpenter may be a reach at #18. Anderson/Wimbley/Hali/Howard will be there later!

Davis/Pope
Carpenter

Ngata
Lawson/Wimbley

Watson
Carpenter

Davis
Wimbley

Round 3 you address FS/G/WR

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I never understood running a scheme predicated on having playmaking linebackers when the team doesn't really have any outside of Ware. James is developing into a solid player, but definitely not a impact guy.

I also don't understand the desire to draft a TE or NT in one when there are glaring holes at OLB, ILB, FS, OT.

Well Junk you have to remember that we're in the Nor's Zone of building a football team and that isn't always rational.

 

[junk]

Well Junk you have to remember that we're in the Nor's Zone of building a football team and that isn't always rational.

Or as its also called "Well, the patriots did it, so Dallas has to as well."

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Or as its also called "Well, the patriots did it, so Dallas has to as well."

LOL!

Why we would want to blow a 1st round draft pick on a backup NT or a backup TE is beyond me.

 

[Woods]

Come on, we all know we're drafting an OLB in the 1st!

 

[junk]

LOL!

Why we would want to blow a 1st round draft pick on a backup NT or a backup TE is beyond me.

I see the need to add people at those positions. I am reluctant to do it in the first especially with so many other critical holes.

Other than Ngata and maybe Watson, there is a drop off in NT talent. Supposedly, next year isn't looking good for NTs either. Ferguson is aging and I think he would be better with someone to rotate with.

I think Campbell might be gone as well, so another TE would be nice. However, I think you can find that second blocking TE either already on the roster or later in the draft. I'm not buying this garbage about the dual TE package creating mismatches in the passing game.

 

[BigDFan5]

LOL!

Why we would want to blow a 1st round draft pick on a backup NT or a backup TE is beyond me.

Thats what I keep saying!

 

[Nors]

I see the need to add people at those positions. I am reluctant to do it in the first especially with so many other critical holes.

Other than Ngata and maybe Watson, there is a drop off in NT talent. Supposedly, next year isn't looking good for NTs either. Ferguson is aging and I think he would be better with someone to rotate with.

I think Campbell might be gone as well, so another TE would be nice. However, I think you can find that second blocking TE either already on the roster or later in the draft. I'm not buying this garbage about the dual TE package creating mismatches in the passing game.

Candidly BB/Pioli drafted TE over TE in round 1 and Drafted 3 Guys Dline in 1 too. PRIORIY WAS DEPTH AT BOTH POSITIONS.


We have NO DEPTH at either position.

NT/TE/OLB - Thats where I'd draft in first and second round and I won't be far off.

Last draft I nailed:

1A: Merriman/Ware HYBRID 3-4 olb
1b: Spears 3-4 DE
Heath Miller at TE or LB in second


Go sign a vet Tackle like Fabini - guy you know can play on the cheap and let Petitti develop. Flo is back and I address OLB in second with Carpenter/Lawson and laid out plan be with Anderson/Wimbly/Hali/Howard.

Junk/Miki:
You pass on Ngata/Watson/Kemateu at NT

What is your depth if Ferguson gets injured? Witten gets injured?

thanks!

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

LOL!

Why we would want to blow a 1st round draft pick on a backup NT or a backup TE is beyond me.

LOL

I can see the nose tackle happening if the right player drops. Doesn't sound like Bill was too pleased with Fergy last year.

Tight end however.... I ain't much of a draftnik, but I can guarantee the Cowboys aren't spending first round money on tight end, especially when Jason Witten is due a big payday pretty soon here.

 

[Nors]

Thats what I keep saying!

Seymour, Warren, Wilfork - #1 picks
Watson, Graham - TE - #1 picks

Washington/Traylor - NT depth

THREE SUPER BOWLS!


Why have Dline depth? Rotation is needed to win - look at our 90's interior D -

We rotated Maryland, Casillas, Jones, Lett all day every day.

Davis/Pope are offensive weapons ala Gonzales and Gates.They will see all sorts of playing time and be a lethal weapon and defensive mismatch for LB's/S/cb'S. We can line them up in multiple wide's with Witten and Bledstud can riddle apart opposing defenses!



Again:


Kemateu - NT in Fa

1) Davis/Pope - TE
2) Carpenter/Lawson - OLB
3) Anderson/Wimbley - DE pass rush specilaists

1) Watson
2) Carpenter/Lawson - OLB
3) Safety or TE -


What are you guys advocating different? Put some skin on the table. I do all the work and the critics one line reply - par for the course

 

[Nors]

LOL

I can see the nose tackle happening if the right player drops. Doesn't sound like Bill was too pleased with Fergy last year.

Tight end however.... I ain't much of a draftnik, but I can guarantee the Cowboys aren't spending first round money on tight end, especially when Jason Witten is due a big payday pretty soon here.

Where do you spend first round money then?

I laid out NT or TE(Offensive weapon)
OLB - in second

 

[Nors]

Come on, we all know we're drafting an OLB in the 1st!

Who? thanks!

 

[TruBlueCowboy]

Where do you spend first round money then?

I laid out NT or TE(Offensive weapon)
OLB - in second

I'm just saying that if the cap comes back, drafting a second high dollar tight end would be suicide. You use the Pats in your example, but the Pats never had a Jason Witten already in place. The Pats also didn't have as many holes as our team. When you're a Super Bowl champion, you can spend first round picks on a tight end.

 

[Nors]

I'm just saying that if the cap comes back, drafting a second high dollar tight end would be suicide. You use the Pats in your example, but the Pats never had a Jason Witten already in place. The Pats also didn't have as many holes as our team. When you're a Super Bowl champion, you can spend first round picks on a tight end.

On Pats - no they were just drafting BPA and have a premium on Dline and Big offensive playmakers.

You are confusing Tight End with that -

Watson
Gates
Davis/Pope this draft

Are physical freaks that can play up as WR's and cause huge Mismatches.

Bellicheck inherited a team in shambles in 2000 - He has all that depth by DRAFTING SMART. -And BPA -

They had a very good starter in Faureia, Drafted Graham in first then drafted Watson over him.

Dt? Drafted Seymour, drafted Warren over him and Wilfork over him - all first rounders.

If we can add Ngata/Watson/Davis/Pope at #18 I'm still waiting to hear who is a better option for us?

 

[junk]

NT/TE/OLB - Thats where I'd draft in first and second round and I won't be far off.

Last draft I nailed:

1A: Merriman/Ware HYBRID 3-4 olb
1b: Spears 3-4 DE
Heath Miller at TE or LB in second


Go sign a vet Tackle like Fabini - guy you know can play on the cheap and let Petitti develop. Flo is back and I address OLB in second with Carpenter/Lawson and laid out plan be with Anderson/Wimbly/Hali/Howard.

Junk/Miki:
You pass on Ngata/Watson/Kemateu at NT

What is your depth if Ferguson gets injured? Witten gets injured?

thanks!

You theorized on Dallas drafting everyone under the sun last year. You really "nailed" it.

I have been on NT since last offseason. Which you attempted to mock me about. Thank goodness Glover can actually play or the 3-4 would have been a disaster this year. I have also been talking up Maake for a couple of months now.

I doubt Ngata drops, but he'd be worth considering in 1. I don't want a guy who has the rap as being lazy and didn't even start all his games in college in 1. 2 or later and Watson might have value.

What does Dallas do at OLB? They don't even have a legit starter at one position. What if Ware gets injured? What if James gets injured? You can do this at almost every position. Trying to play 3-4 with the lack of talent and depth that Dallas has at LB is scary.

I could see a TE and NT later, but in 1, it'd probably be a waste.

The patriots fearsome duo at TE accounted for about the same amount of total yardage as Witten and 1 more TD. I am sure the pats dual TE package is keeping defensive coordinators up at night trying to find ways to neutralize those mismatches, but I'd personally rather fix the defense or OL before I start drafting back ups in 1.

 

[junk]

If we can add Ngata/Watson/Davis/Pope at #18 I'm still waiting to hear who is a better option for us?

Ngata is probably good value at 18. So is Davis. I don't see them being there. I'd swap down if Davis dropped that far.

Right now, I'd probably take Carpenter, Wimbley, Lawson and Winston Justice over Pope and Watson. Handful of other guys at less critical positions I'd consider over them as well.

TE depth is great in this draft. Get a Fasano or Klop later. Or a blocking TE even later. Or go with Ryan and Pierce. All better options than reaching for Pope in 1.

 

[Nors]

Ngata is probably good value at 18. So is Davis. I don't see them being there. I'd swap down if Davis dropped that far.

Right now, I'd probably take Carpenter, Wimbley, Lawson and Winston Justice over Pope and Watson. Handful of other guys at less critical positions I'd consider over them as well.

TE depth is great in this draft. Get a Fasano or Klop later. Or a blocking TE even later. Or go with Ryan and Pierce. All better options than reaching for Pope in 1.

Thanks for your reply/opinion:

1) I throw a lot of draft thoughts out but Ware/Merriman. Spears and Miller/LB in two was my consensus and prediction.

So we agree Ngata/Davis are BPA at #18.

Of the tackles I like Justice the best if he passes vice/character ?! Pass tho on Tackle - Fabini

Carpenter/Wimbley/Lawson - some combination will be there in round 2.

Klopf is probably off by 3rd round we are up. This Fassano I have not dug in on. What is his injury background? I know he's a late day 1 prospect. Roids? He was 180 pounds out of High School.....


Can't wait for draft!