3 Challenge Flags & Other Rules *MERGE*

[Doomsay]

What I don't understand is why didn't our coaches make a stink? Why didn't our players make a stink? Why didn't the announcers say anything? It just went completely ignored.

Our coaches or assistants should have known the rule. I don't blame them for trying to challenge the Jones recovery, even if its not technically reviewable - gray area and ridiculous rule in the age of highspeed cameras.

 

[JBond]

Stop crying about the refs. Good grief. The players lost the game. We have had our share of breaks this year. Hell, we had 3 or 4 questionable calls in our favor in the first half. We did not capitalize.

Stop crying.

 

[TX_Yid]

I'm pretty sure Belichik gives his red flag to someone else as soon as he is out of challenges because in a previous game he did just this and received a penalty.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

There is a 15 yard penalty, from what I understand, for doing that and Babe and Brad discussed this quite a bit last night when they were calling the game. They were both surprised to find that no penalty was called.

 

[adamknite]

I would guess that there is a rule buried somewhere on the issue otherwise they would pretty much be giving teams a free timeout.

It's not buried at all.... it's one of the first things under the "Instant Replay" sections in the Rule book and it's in bold print.

 

[Doomsay]

Stop crying about the refs. Good grief. The players lost the game. We have had our share of breaks this year. Hell, we had 3 or 4 questionable calls in our favor in the first half. We did not capitalize.

Stop crying.

In general people aren't crying about the refs here, mostly discussing the technical merits of a certain call. Being that this game featured a rare situation where the refs approached the hood twice in error and that there should have been a major penalty applied to the Packers (no judgment here - a procedural mistake) it's an interesting subject to discuss. I also think that it's a good thing to avoid the blanket "crying" accusation for everything that is uncomfortable for you or like-minded posters, it's pretty weak response IMO.

 

[Doomsday101]

In general people aren't crying about the refs here, mostly discussing the technical merits of a certain call. Being that this game featured a rare situation where the refs approached the hood twice in error and that there should have been a major penalty applied to the Packers (no judgment here - a procedural mistake) it's an interesting subject to discuss. I also think that it's a good thing to avoid the blanket "crying" accusation for everything that is uncomfortable for you or like-minded posters, it's pretty weak response IMO.

I agree. I was expecting the Refs to throw a flag once the Packers challenged for a 3rd time. I have seen in other games where this took place and the team was charged with delay of game. I think there would be a lot less confusion if the league did not constantly change the rules year after year but it seems every offseason the league in their wisdom alter and add new rules to the game.

 

[Doomsay]

I agree. I was expecting the Refs to throw a flag once the Packers challenged for a 3rd time. I have seen in other games where this took place and the team was charged with delay of game. I think there would be a lot less confusion if the league did not constantly change the rules year after year but it seems every offseason the league in their wisdom alter and add new rules to the game.

I had turned down the sound down a little at that point, but I don't think that I heard Buck or Aik suggest that it should have been a 15 yarder, but maybe I missed it. The complexity of the rules seem to be beyond casual viewers, some announcers and as you point out, occasionally the refs!

 

[Doomsday101]

I had turned down the sound down a little at that point, but I don't think that I heard Buck or Aik suggest that it should have been a 15 yarder, but maybe I missed it. The complexity of the rules seem to be beyond casual viewers, some announcers and as you point out, occasionally the refs!

They did mention in passing "shouldn't that be a delay of game" then moved on to the next play. So yes they did mention it.

 

[ComicBookGuy]

What's the rule for a penalty called during a play and a dead ball penalty after the play? Does only one get enforced or would both? For some reason I was thinking both do but it happened during the game and only the dead ball penalty was enforced.

 

[JBond]

In general people aren't crying about the refs here, mostly discussing the technical merits of a certain call. Being that this game featured a rare situation where the refs approached the hood twice in error and that there should have been a major penalty applied to the Packers (no judgment here - a procedural mistake) it's an interesting subject to discuss. I also think that it's a good thing to avoid the blanket "crying" accusation for everything that is uncomfortable for you or like-minded posters, it's pretty weak response IMO.

Fair enough. My bad. The technical discussion is fine I guess. It still does not take away the the fact we couldn't protect Romo or why we abandoned the run again. I just think many folks that expected us to win are reaching for excuses.

Hope our guys come back healthy and motivated next week.

 

[Doomsay]

Fair enough. My bad. The technical discussion is fine I guess. It still does not take away the the fact we couldn't protect Romo or why we abandoned the run again. I just think many folks that expected us to win are reaching for excuses.

Hope our guys come back healthy and motivated next week.

Me too, it will be interesting to see how motivated they really are. I've got to believe that they were shocked by this beating that was administered.

 

[cowboyjoe]

What's the rule for a penalty called during a play and a dead ball penalty after the play? Does only one get enforced or would both? For some reason I was thinking both do but it happened during the game and only the dead ball penalty was enforced.

heres the rule on that, and yes is delay of game foul; refs were incompetent
Five Yards
Defensive holding or illegal use of hands (automatic first down).
Delay of game on offense or defense.
Delay of kickoff.
Encroachment.
Excessive time out(s).

 

[ComicBookGuy]

heres the rule on that, and yes is delay of game foul; refs were incompetent
Five Yards
Defensive holding or illegal use of hands (automatic first down).
Delay of game on offense or defense.
Delay of kickoff.
Encroachment.
Excessive time out(s).

I have no idea what you just said...I don't think it answers my question.

The play I'm referring to had a hold (I believe) during the play and a dead ball late hit...they only enforced the latter.

 

[cowboyjoe]

I have no idea what you just said...I don't think it answers my question.

The play I'm referring to had a hold (I believe) during the play and a dead ball late hit...they only enforced the latter.

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries

go to that list and look at penalties;
i was answering the question on shouldnt have been a penalty on the packers head coach for using a challenge flag when he didnt have any more

 

[ComicBookGuy]

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/penaltysummaries

go to that list and look at penalties;
i was answering the question on shouldnt have been a penalty on the packers head coach for using a challenge flag when he didnt have any more

Try hitting the "Quick Reply" button instead of "Quote". Quoting a post only to say something completely irrelevant to the original post is likely to cause some confusion.

 

[xWraithx]

The NBA is as crooked as a snake, that is why I refuse to attend any NBA games. Occasionally I will watch a Spurs game on TV if nothing else is on, but there is no doubt in my mind that the games are borderline fixed. You actually think Donaghue is the only NBA ref that was betting on games???

So if the NBA is crooked, you dont think the NFL might have some issues also with its officiating? Do you know how many millions and millions of dollars are bet on NFL games? You dont think that might influence a referee to make a bogus call here or there to "help" one team over another?

Sorry to say, but the NFL has a shady side also that nobody in the media or the league would dare talk about.

see: 2006 NBA Finals for best example (2002 Western Conference Finals for another example)

 

[TwentyOne]

This is not an excuse thread. We lost this game. We deserved to.

But seriously, how has the review system not worked out all of the kinks yet? How long has it been in place? Almost a decade???

How is that Felix recovery not reviewable???? 7 points giftwrapped.

How is McCarthy not given a delay of game penalty? I can just see the thought process in the future..."My boys need a breather and I don't have any challenges...shoot, I'll just throw out the red flag!!!"

What a crock of ****.

Rules are always not perfect because they are made by humans and humans don#t have experience to make perfect rules. Rules get better as humans gather experience.

And that's what the NFL does with instant replay. They will for sure look over this rule and may change it if they think it is a good rule change.

So i am not angry about that miscalled fumble recovery by FJ. It's like it is. But i am mad about those Refs because they messed up big time yesterday. They totally lost control of the game. Just look at the thired challenge by Green Bay the Ref didin't even realize it until somebody else told him way after he already looked at the play.


First was the Punt return fumble were you could clearly see that it was a fumble and that the player lifted his left knee back up before he got touched. And even if someone would argue against that the tape didn't show clear eveidence that it wasn't so. So this called should have never been overruled. That was a big moment for us and a bad bad call by the Refs.

Then there was that challenge the Refs didn't realize.

Then the mistake with the recovered Fumble by Jones.

Those are all big plays with them turned out in our favor - who knows maybe we win this game.

And i don't care if we deserved it or not. A win is a win. Nobody will ask about it in 10 years if we deserved it or not. Does somebody asks about last years SB champion if they deserved it or not ? 6 SB for the Steelers, that's all that is written in the books. And that's all that counts.

If i had to change something in the rules is that coaches may throw a challenge flag to challenge the Refs to get repleaced by another crew if they suck like yesterday.


Don't missunderstand me we lost because we played maybe our worst game on offense of the season. But we'd still had a chance if the Refs haven't had messed up. They are all professionals: The players, the coaches AND the Refs. So i expect professional performance out of them. If the Refs aren't able to do so i will ciritze them. And more if the outcome of the game changes because of their disastrous performance.

 

[peplaw06]

What's the rule for a penalty called during a play and a dead ball penalty after the play? Does only one get enforced or would both? For some reason I was thinking both do but it happened during the game and only the dead ball penalty was enforced.

I thought about that too... That was the play where Donald Lee was holding Ware I think, and then there was the late hit on Spears. It was wishful thinking on my part obviously, but I was saying the hold should have been enforced AND the dead ball penalty, since the play was over. But they didn't convert on that series anyway.